I'd like to put faith in our new administration/coaching crew that they could finally get us a 'champion' with pick 2.

Getting 2 or 3 or 4 'never will be's' and giving a top club the chance to recruit a youngster who might go on and haunt us for years is not what I want to see.

How long is it since we last had a true 'champion' at MFC? Who was our last 'champion'?

I want to recruit someone who will draw people through the gate, play exciting and consistent football and be a top player for many years.

Other clubs have them, is it too much to hope for us to do the same?

A couple of 'good, average' players who last three or four years and then fade into oblivion is not the path I want us to take with pick 2.

If we can't get a 'great' trade for pick 2 then choose a 'great' prospect in the draft.

I don't think we are going to get a 'champion' through the trade this year, there just isn't much on offer.

Saving pick 2 for the draft is probably ideal but then again it'll probably be about two years before that player can have any kind of impact. After our last few years, we need quick improvement and the best way to go about that is to trade for two 'solid', good quality midfielders.

While a champion would be fantastic we need more than just one other player so trading for two midfielders that will come straight into the line up and be our first and third best (around Chunk) midfielders will fill the void better.

Say we trade for two of those types, pick up Cross as well and then draft some likely kids, I think we'll look a hell of a lot better next year.

Note... Possible players involved could be Ricky Henderson, Bernie Vince or Richard Douglas, all good players. As well as that, Adelaide will definitely be looking to get into the draft and have some young talent in the middle.

I think its quite amusing to see all those rumours/tweets/so called trade news updates with carlton basically after everyone.

I am surprised not to have seen one linking Davey being lured out of retirement to join them.

Rumour going around that Watters is going to get the chop in the next couple of days, Choco to replace him.

Some StKilda mates were talking about it on Facebook. So make of that what you will.

I call BS, timing couldn't be any worse.

Rumour going around that Watters is going to get the chop in the next couple of days, Choco to replace him.

Some StKilda mates were talking about it on Facebook. So make of that what you will.

I call BS, timing couldn't be any worse.

I reckon he'll be finished some time next season at the latest.

Harley benell being mentioned

Big no from me, plenty of off field issues and IMO will end up being another Sampi or Nathan Krakouer who leaves the game early or lets himself go.

I reckon he'll be finished some time next season at the latest.

I do find it interesting that there is a common thread here.

Neeld - gone

Watters - rumours of discontent

Buckley - rumours of discontent

All proteges of Mick Malthouse - common thread on their player management styles ?

That might be fairer but I'd prefer Seedsman who is a midfielder.

2 + 22 for 10 + 11 + Seedsman

Seedsman is a dyed in the wool Collingwood supporter who was rapt to be picked up by them and would have to be dragged, kicking and screaming out of there.

Pick 2 to Collingwood for 10,11 and Paul Seedsman - not a rumour, just an idea

He's another Caulfield Grammarian. Massive Collingwood fan. Can't see him agreeing to that. Buckley likes him too.

I do find it interesting that there is a common thread here.

Neeld - gone

Watters - rumours of discontent

Buckley - rumours of discontent

All proteges of Mick Malthouse - common thread on their player management styles ?

Yep, meanwhile the Geelong assistants (as well as Sydney) are coming along quite nicely.

Brad Scott and Guy McKenna were both Malthouse assistants also.

Brad Scott and Guy McKenna were both Malthouse assistants also.

North haven't exactly been convincing under Scott though they have come a way.

I don't rate Bluey McKenna at all. With Ablett and they extreme amount of talent they have as well as some accomplished older players, they should probably have made finals this year, in my opinion.

North haven't exactly been convincing under Scott though they have come a way.

I don't rate Bluey McKenna at all. With Ablett and they extreme amount of talent they have as well as some accomplished older players, they should probably have made finals this year, in my opinion.

Bot these side beat the crap out of us this year Django.

Both appear ok to me.

Could it be that we snare Del Santo out of Kangaroos clutches or even Montagna????

Do it in a heartbeat!

I'd only take del for the sylvia compo, at the max.

We're being linked to Jarryd Lyons from Adelaide as a third party to the Polec deal. Solid prospect from East Bentleigh/Sandringham, pretty sure his father is Marty who played 27 games for the Dee’s in the late 70’s.

Bot these side beat the crap out of us this year Django.

Both appear ok to me.

Don't forget that everyone beat us, we aren't exactly a tough side to beat.

Beating us in 2013 doesn't really suggest much about anything. Beating us in 2014 will hopefully be harder!

I'm not hearing any rumours today - even the ridiculous.

We're being linked to Jarryd Lyons from Adelaide as a third party to the Polec deal. Solid prospect from East Bentleigh/Sandringham, pretty sure his father is Marty who played 27 games for the Dees in the late 70s.

you are correct just looked it up. Wouldn't want to give too much for a number 61 pick

We're being linked to Jarryd Lyons from Adelaide as a third party to the Polec deal. Solid prospect from East Bentleigh/Sandringham, pretty sure his father is Marty who played 27 games for the Dee’s in the late 70’s.

Nice player. Can find the ball and is a midfielder/forward. Would certainly be happy to get Garry Jnr down. I'd offer pick 40 in this draft for sure. If it's involved in the Polec deal though, Adelaide might like more because I don't see how 40 helps them get Polec really.

AFL trade site reports st Kildare after pick 1. Gws reluctant to trade. We could get involved in that mix somehow.

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Rumour going around that Watters is going to get the chop in the next couple of days, Choco to replace him.

Some StKilda mates were talking about it on Facebook. So make of that what you will.

I call BS, timing couldn't be any worse.

Would not surprise me one bit; if the wheels were in motion. There's alot of change going on. Nettleford, etc. Needs to be swift if true.

AFL trade site reports st Kildare after pick 1. Gws reluctant to trade. We could get involved in that mix somehow.

Why?

What do we have to gain by doing this?

Total St Kilda list for pick 1. Sounds about right to me.

AFL trade site reports st Kildare after pick 1. Gws reluctant to trade. We could get involved in that mix somehow.

As has been said, other than Steven, what do they have that we'd want?

If Watters got rid of McEvoy AND Steven, they'd be calling for the straight jacket.

That might be fairer but I'd prefer Seedsman who is a midfielder.

2 + 22 for 10 + 11 + Seedsman

Like the concept of trading 2 for a player and ending up with improved draft position as well (and if it were possible trading out a player instead of pick 22 sounds good to me if it's the right player to go).

However, the fact that names such as Elliot and Seedsman are coming up indicates how poor and lacking in imagination our own drafting was going back just two or three years ago. These two players were both cheap buys for Collingwood and now they're being considered (and quite validly so) as bargaining chips in deals that might net a draft selection as high as pick 2. The Pies have several players who have exceeded expectations when drafted.

How many do we have?