hate the thought of this but I fear that its all over for mitch , god I hope im wrong , I posted a while back that he and dawes would not play together , , ffs he went in to get a screw taken out , to me that's crap , , I hope like hell im so wrong ,

Of course you will learn more over an extended period but playing two vey good after two very bad will give us a better understanding. Fox footy stated our disposal efficiency was 3rd in the league over the last month. Keen to see how it hold up under pressure.

We've improved by being competitive with the worst teams in the comp since Neeld left. If we get spanked by Geelong and Sydney is that improvement meaningless?

I'm not too worried about the next two weeks and I'm more concerned about individual player performance. Our issue is not knowing who can play after 2 years of Neeld's inept management.

Mate I've been involved with several and yes, I know what a coaches aware is and I know what a top five in the B&F is and I know what it means when an opposition club specifically targets a player. I know what it means to be involved in the leadership group. Actually I'd back my knowledge against yours any day but that isn't the point. And I'd back that my involvement was with a footy club at a higher level than yours.

He, like so many others on our list, went backwards under the coaching of Neeld after a very promising beginning.

l think, and hope, that he'll surprise. It's a view, live with it.

your right as usual, your probably been involved in a much higher grade than myself

now big fella, I will make the STATEMENT again coaches awards mean diddly. they are normally given to good triers scrubbers battlers not clean good players

I said and will say again . nice family , nice kid, but if your cant improve decision making after 4 years it will never improve

I guess living on the farm and not getting up to a higher league, like your good self has limited my knowledge.

We've improved by being competitive with the worst teams in the comp since Neeld left.

We're assuming that we wouldn't have performed like that with Neeld. Gws aside we played the other two worst sides, neither of whom we played earlier in the year with Neeld at the wheel. We have played quality and been spanked, I am keen to see if we can improve our competitiveness against quality opposition.

Ok Bob you've convinced me that my assessment that Jordie wins possession then dives and dispossesses at random was the coaches fault.

That's a lot of ssss. If you know what I mean.

We've improved by being competitive with the worst teams in the comp since Neeld left. If we get spanked by Geelong and Sydney is that improvement meaningless?

I'm not too worried about the next two weeks and I'm more concerned about individual player performance. Our issue is not knowing who can play after 2 years of Neeld's inept management.

Mine is that the ineptitude runs deeper and goes back further in time through Dean Bailey's tenure and right back to the last two or three years of the Daniher regime. What I hope is that the lessons of this period are learned and applied when the decision on the appointment of the next coach is made.

St Kilda would've beaten us by 12 goals and bulldogs would've beaten us by 8 goals under Neeld.

St Kilda would've beaten us by 12 goals and bulldogs would've beaten us by 8 goals under Neeld.

But we would have trained well

St Kilda would've beaten us by 12 goals and bulldogs would've beaten us by 8 goals under Neeld.

You clearly didn't watch the Bulldogs game, nor noticed they only beat GWS by 3 points today after trailing all day.

The Dogs are insipid and even under Neeld we would have stood a chance to win the game. Your argument otherwise is nothing more than anti-Neeld bias.

You clearly didn't watch the Bulldogs game, nor noticed they only beat GWS by 3 points today after trailing all day.

The Dogs are insipid and even under Neeld we would have stood a chance to win the game. Your argument otherwise is nothing more than anti-Neeld bias.

The dogs sucked today though. Plus, our shitty midfield means that any team with a half-decent set of mids is a very good chance of beating us no matter what the rest of their team looks like.

The dogs sucked today though. Plus, our shitty midfield means that any team with a half-decent set of mids is a very good chance of beating us no matter what the rest of their team looks like.

Not sure what your point is...

Not sure what your point is...

My point is that it would be silly to use the Dogs performance today to discredit or cheapen our win last week.

My point is that it would be silly to use the Dogs performance today to discredit or cheapen our win last week.

Who did that?

Who did that?

Not you, I guess...

soooo ummm yeah. How is our injury list? (to revert us back to the original topic).

soooo ummm yeah. How is our injury list? (to revert us back to the original topic).

Saw Jamar a couple of days ago and he is still in a moon boot and saw Viney today and he seemed fine.

I swear I'm not stalking these guys: both randomly walked past me when I was eating cheap Chinese takeaway...

hate the thought of this but I fear that its all over for mitch , god I hope im wrong , I posted a while back that he and dawes would not play together , , ffs he went in to get a screw taken out , to me that's crap , , I hope like hell im so wrong ,

I hope so too however have heard that specific injury does not have a good come back rate.

Saw Jamar a couple of days ago and he is still in a moon boot and saw Viney today and he seemed fine.

I swear I'm not stalking these guys: both randomly walked past me when I was eating cheap Chinese takeaway...

Did they walk past their windows as you were lying underneath them??

even under Neeld we would have stood a chance to win the game. Your argument otherwise is nothing more than anti-Neeld bias.

I think you underestimate the negative impact on performance when a coach has lost the playing group.

Neeld lost senior players, including Moloney and Rivers - we know this. Players constantly spoke of the need to "buy in", which clearly infers many others didn't. Jack Watts has confirmed that Neeld had lost him. When a player says he found it "emotionally hard" under a coach he's confirming that the coach couldn't get the best out of him.

So when it's apparent that the coach had lost some players, and the results also clearly mirrored such a view, I find it hard to believe that the team would have beaten Footscray, or anybody else with him at the helm. Not withstanding one quarter against kids.

The only person that doesn't think the coach had lost the players is Saty..., because they told him. One suspects they would have told the annoying git anything to get away.

Edited July 7, 201312 yr by Ben-Hur

Ben....you make some really good points in your posts.....Then you spoil it with cheap snide remarks against fellow posters....."annoying Git"....Come on.....

Selections for Casey and Dees is going to be interesting this week as my take on the injury list is that baring injuries at training the following will be ready to go this weekend.

Blease, Macdonald, Mckenzie and Viney may all start back at Casey as there will only one spot in the team when Frawley has a rest.

I am assuming little change to the MFC side as reward for good effort the last three weeks.

Should be a good side that fronts up to Werribee on Sunday.

And with the Dees playing on Saturday all emergencies will play

i for one cant wait to see clark dawes and hogan play together, opposition nightmare

I agree, but without a midfield to feed them it is going to be very frusrating

Selections for Casey and Dees is going to be interesting this week as my take on the injury list is that baring injuries at training the following will be ready to go this weekend.

Blease, Macdonald, Mckenzie and Viney may all start back at Casey as there will only one spot in the team when Frawley has a rest.

I am assuming little change to the MFC side as reward for good effort the last three weeks.

Should be a good side that fronts up to Werribee on Sunday.

And with the Dees playing on Saturday all emergencies will play

Finally Casey get a chance to be at full strength as such due to the emergencies. With our run of Sunday games for Melbourne theres been at least 1 if not more missing most weeks.

As for the Melbourne side besides Frawley who I think it will be smart to give a rest to there are a few names who I think will be discussed in regards to demotion - Rodan, Nicholson, Dunn as well as Kent, Davey and Byrnes as to who stays in the team and who becomes the sub but I agree that most will get another chance.

Finally Casey get a chance to be at full strength as such due to the emergencies. With our run of Sunday games for Melbourne theres been at least 1 if not more missing most weeks.

As for the Melbourne side besides Frawley who I think it will be smart to give a rest to there are a few names who I think will be discussed in regards to demotion - Rodan, Nicholson, Dunn as well as Kent, Davey and Byrnes as to who stays in the team and who becomes the sub but I agree that most will get another chance.

Dunn has been playing his role very well. Don't think he will be considered for demotion.

Dunn has been playing his role very well. Don't think he will be considered for demotion.

If turning the ball over, making bad decisions and not attacking the footy is his role I agree. Otherwise I disagree.

Unfortunately our coaches continue to see the potential that Dunn flashes and not the slops he delivers the rest of the time.