If you are honest you would understand we don't have the personal to beat the blues, this week no high profiled recruits Clark, Dawes, Watts and on the grape vine Sylvia and Jamar may be missing, add to this Carltons midfield is miles better than anything we can put on the park and the speed they have through their small forwards is amazing, so how do we beat them, here are my ideas

Forward set up: Play Max Gawn deep forward, instruct him to always be Goal side of his opponent and not to go past the centre square, try to draw his opponent as deep as he can forward. Howe plays in front of him approx 15m far enough away that Max's opponent cant get to any marking contest he is in. Once again Howe play goal side of his opponent and always stay inside our forward half, once again try to draw his man deep inside our 50m arc. Blease and Byrnes play the forward pocket role but push on to the wing but not past the centre line. All other forwards are playing as midfielders so we have a four man forward half and two extra midfielders running around. Run the footy with our spare midfielders if Carlton drop players back, don't have spare men in defence have them around the footy.

My plan, crowd the footy and bang it long forward don't think just kick it as far forward as you can, try to clear Blease and Byrnes so they can use their speed to run onto the footy or if we can get it long enough to Howe with Blease and Byrnes working hard to the drop. We do to them what they will try to do to us put the ball into space and use our speed forward of the ball. Try to get the footy into the hands of our long kickers, Dunn, Tapscott and if Sylvia plays him, work hard to get the footy of half back in these guys hands.

Back six man on man don't let the small forwards get goal side of you, play unsocial football rest your elbow in their kidney region with a sharp jab when you can, niggle the crap out of them, they will try to bully us and we have a chance to really get them upset. Be anti-social take the arms out if you have no chance effective the spoil, do it smart not to give away a 50 but do it hard enough to make it hurt.

Midfielders at stoppages start in a semi circle on our defensive side and move have 2 nominated players to stay back just in case but all other players start 5m off the ruck contest defensive side and be on the move time your run to hit the contest at speed but run straight don't all run to the football, pick a player you need to cover in case they win the football but attack it be on the move we are to flat footed at stopages, this is not ideal but it gets us moving and hitting contests at speed rather than get the footy standing still tackle secondary ball up and on it goes until we lose the clearance.

So to be basic crowd the footy and the defensive half, have targets to kick to with a lot of space to work back into, don't think bang it long and if we turn it over at least it gives a chance to defend. Stay defensive side of your opponent don't let them run past you no forward of the ball running expect for the 4 forwards or when we have the absolute control of the footy.

We can win keep in simple, be unsocial and kick it long don't risk turning the footy over in our defensive half get it over half way so at the very least they need a couple of possessions to get it into a scoring position.

So in other words, turn to god and beg him for a miracle.
Done and done.

I want to know how we are going to go about helping Jones when the enevitable hard tag comes from Armfield? Surely we learnt a lesson last week when Raines did a job on him?

  On 02/05/2013 at 07:34, The Song Formerly Known As said:

So in other words, turn to god and beg him for a miracle.

Done and done.

Ah Rose, you divine creature. You make everything seem okay.

  On 02/05/2013 at 07:36, P_Man said:

Ah Rose, you divine creature. You make everything seem okay.

She is surely sent to this earth by god himself.

It's got the potential to turn very ugly for us so,

my hope for this game is just a big effort from the boys, if we get beaten it's what everyone expects anyway but it would be really good to take it up to them for a good part of the game, give mick a few scares

  On 02/05/2013 at 07:36, P_Man said:

Ah Rose, you divine creature. You make everything seem okay.

  On 02/05/2013 at 07:34, The Song Formerly Known As said:

So in other words, turn to god and beg him for a miracle.

Done and done.

I would happily watch her on sunday for a couple of hours rather than our football team.

  On 02/05/2013 at 07:47, Redleg said:

I would happily watch her on sunday for a couple of hours rather than our football team.

I would prefer she wears tight footy shorts.

Rain Rain Rain and lost of it is our best chance to not get thumped IMO

I'm sorry for hijacking the thread DrDrake with Rose Byrne.
Your post was actually quite solid.
Rose is sorry too.

  On 02/05/2013 at 08:30, The Song Formerly Known As said:

I'm sorry for hijacking the thread DrDrake with Rose Byrne.

Your post was actually quite solid.

Rose is sorry too.

Actually, scrap that. No she's not:

  On 02/05/2013 at 08:30, The Song Formerly Known As said:

I'm sorry for hijacking the thread DrDrake with Rose Byrne.

Your post was actually quite solid.

Rose is sorry too.

Don't apologise.

Keep em coming.....

  On 02/05/2013 at 08:42, Cards13 said:

Keep em coming.....

ok, ok. One more, just because Rose said she likes your beard Cards13.

This ones for you. Rose is out for the night now...

Send them out to punch the crap out of them until they can field a side and then win by over 186pts

Sylvia is playing?

  On 02/05/2013 at 09:59, Grimseyisgod said:

Sylvia is playing?

so far, but there is something a little dodgy about him being named at CHF and pedersen on the bench. All of a sudden pedersen is CHF and Sylvia has a rest. That if there's any truth to this Sylvia rumour

  On 02/05/2013 at 09:59, Grimseyisgod said:

Sylvia is playing?

Yer thats what I thought - maybe drdrake is refering to their consistency in game.

As much as I hate losing, it is nice to go into a game with no expectations. I think after the first 5 rounds we can't really do any worse (touch wood!).

"When you hit rock bottom, the only way is up!"

  On 02/05/2013 at 08:16, McQueen said:

I would prefer she wears tight footy shorts.

hmmnn,,,, Or Loose. I'm not TOO fussed....she could come in a visy paper bag if she wants! a wet one.

  On 02/05/2013 at 08:45, The Song Formerly Known As said:

ok, ok. One more, just because Rose said she likes your beard Cards13.

This ones for you. Rose is out for the night now...

hmmn, about time she put her feet up.

if we get within 8 goals ... I'm also accepting this.

Mark Neeld to quote in the post match presser that he thought a 75 point loss to carlton was a positive haha

But seriously 4 quarters of 100% effort from the players and a respectable scoreline and i'll be pretty happy

kinda sad that we have to accept the effort that should be there anyway as a positive..

Go Dees!

Carlton have been leaking points this year. If we can get it in there enough times we could be a stupid chance. Pity our mids will get creamed

the witch has given me a leave pass for the weekend. will be in the southern.

expecting terl to face another test but excited to see him learn

all confident for the players to put new systems to the test .

if you see a half cut over 50 ish bloke not smiling its me , come and say gurday and i will shout you a beer.

hope all have a great day.

see you monday hopefully with some positives, besides tsfka postings

  On 02/05/2013 at 07:29, drdrake said:

If you are honest you would understand we don't have the personal to beat the blues, this week no high profiled recruits Clark, Dawes, Watts and on the grape vine Sylvia and Jamar may be missing, add to this Carltons midfield is miles better than anything we can put on the park and the speed they have through their small forwards is amazing, so how do we beat them, here are my ideas

Forward set up: Play Max Gawn deep forward, instruct him to always be Goal side of his opponent and not to go past the centre square, try to draw his opponent as deep as he can forward. Howe plays in front of him approx 15m far enough away that Max's opponent cant get to any marking contest he is in. Once again Howe play goal side of his opponent and always stay inside our forward half, once again try to draw his man deep inside our 50m arc. Blease and Byrnes play the forward pocket role but push on to the wing but not past the centre line. All other forwards are playing as midfielders so we have a four man forward half and two extra midfielders running around. Run the footy with our spare midfielders if Carlton drop players back, don't have spare men in defence have them around the footy.

My plan, crowd the footy and bang it long forward don't think just kick it as far forward as you can, try to clear Blease and Byrnes so they can use their speed to run onto the footy or if we can get it long enough to Howe with Blease and Byrnes working hard to the drop. We do to them what they will try to do to us put the ball into space and use our speed forward of the ball. Try to get the footy into the hands of our long kickers, Dunn, Tapscott and if Sylvia plays him, work hard to get the footy of half back in these guys hands.

This is pretty much along the lines of what i was thinking Dr. Although i would go one further and have a plus 1 situation at HB looking to cut off the quick inside kick from the middle and giving occasional chop outs to Chip/Garland when the ball looks like being kicked longer deep in their 50. I'd be looking to try and free up Dunny in this role. Solid unit and can roost the ball into our Forward line quickly on the rebound, isolating Howe one on one for the big grab. You then have Byrnes to feed the front and square crum around Howe (CHF area) and Davey (who isn't playing???) crumbing at the feet of Gawn if we make it deeper. Not having Davey in this match to play a purely crumbing forward role alongside Byrnes is IMO mind bogglingly dumb. But nothing that Neeld does, or doesn't do, selection or match up wise on game day now astounds me anymore.

Also run Sylvia into the mid field to have a plus 1 there all day. Playing as defensive sweeper and, as you stated, all other mid role players starting on the defensive side in a semi circle of the ruck dual and hitting the ruck contest on the move, gang tackling anything that has the ball without any red on their guernsey. Kent to play down back to cover Dunny's role and provide some run and overlap along with say Nicho and Strauss.

Allocate at least 1 nominated stopper (say McKenzie) to cover Carlton's spiritual leader (shares this role with Judd) and IMO their only real hard man, Robinson. I'd want him to be kept quite no matter what, hassled, harrassed and if the opportunity arose, taken out in the nicest possible way provided it wasn't behind the play. He labelled us as "Bruise Free" footballers so IMO he has to be taken out of the match either through a hard tag or a solid bump at some point.early. This might be a task we allocate to a heavy man bod like Sylvia. Run off the line and target Mitch early similar to Dermy on Dean Cheron. This club desperately needs to start making statements on the field and stand up for itself. Even if it means weeks on the sidelines, it's time to DO something.

Generally i'm in agreement with your strategy. It's the only way we have any chance of winning.

If we try and play the Neeld way, i believe we'll be looking at an 8 goal loss (minimum) or possibly something much more ugly. But at this point i'm targeting roughly 8 goals under Neeld's method. My worry is that Neeld (and hence some in the playing group) might see an 8 goal loss (or thereabouts) as a positive, even before the bounce