On 16/10/2012 at 01:58, olisik said:

Sure would. I would see it as a direct swap from Watts for Hogan.

Hogan being the player that we always had hoped Watts would become.

But is the person we are gaining at pick 4 better than Watts now that the Hogan trade is done is my point? i dont think they will be.

  On 16/10/2012 at 01:40, olisik said:

Watts for pick 3

predictable

  On 16/10/2012 at 01:58, olisik said:

Sure would. I would see it as a direct swap from Watts for Hogan.

Hogan being the player that we always had hoped Watts would become.

Hogan has not played a game yet olisik.

We probably had the same opinion on Watts when he was drafted.

I will believe Hogan is the "great white hope" when I see it until then he is an early draft pick with potential.

  On 16/10/2012 at 01:36, Fan said:

Who says we'll get Wines? My mail is that Whitfield, Toumpas and Wines will go in the first three.

GWS will trade a ruckman in and won't draft one is the thinking. I'm surprised but it's a very educated view.

So if that eventuates, who is next in line?

  On 16/10/2012 at 02:28, old dee said:

I will believe Hogan is the "great white hope" when I see it ...

Take it to the bank...

  On 16/10/2012 at 02:37, Ben-Hur said:

Take it to the bank...

I have heard it before Ben-Hur

At least on 50 occasions over the last half century.

Excuse my scepticism but he has not yet played a game.

  On 16/10/2012 at 02:01, Moonshadow said:

A bit off topic, but still a murmuring of a crazy time (or in this case, crazy man). Can this man McGuire say anything more ridiculous? What an attention seeking shock-jock.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149738/default.aspx

i also saw that and was unsure whether to laugh or wince.

He plays a very strange game of chess does Eddie !!! Lol

  On 16/10/2012 at 02:01, Moonshadow said:

A bit off topic, but still a murmuring of a crazy time (or in this case, crazy man). Can this man McGuire say anything more ridiculous? What an attention seeking shock-jock.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149738/default.aspx

i also saw that and was unsure whether to laugh or wince.

He plays a very strange game of chess does Eddie !!! Lol

  On 16/10/2012 at 02:40, old dee said:

I have heard it before Ben-Hur

At least on 50 occasions over the last half century.

Excuse my scepticism but he has not yet played a game.

Yes, I understand.

Take it to the bank...

i don't want to get involved with them to nab any of these picks.

they may say they're willing to trade that plethora of picks, but you can be certain that the only ones that are truly on the table are #12 and #13.

no way they'll let the top 3 go.

and if they do go whitfield, toumpas, wines, under no circumstances should we not select grundy - the guy has all the tools to be a monster ruckman in the afl, equivalent to a dean cox-type who can play in the ruck, run all day, take contested marks to save games, and go forward to kick goals.

if he's available, really hope we take him.

This is ridiculous.

This sort of talk has contributed to jack watts slower than expected development.

Hogan is 17 years old, to expect him to come out and amaze the crowd is stupid.

Do not expect him to come out day one and exhibit 'great white hope' skills.

He's a kid, im expecting him to play as good as any other first year player.

Stop hyping him up.

  On 16/10/2012 at 02:46, Deez said:

This is ridiculous.

This sort of talk has contributed to jack watts slower than expected development.

Hogan is 17 years old, to expect him to come out and amaze the crowd is stupid.

Do not expect him to come out day one and exhibit 'great white hope' skills.

He's a kid, im expecting him to play as good as any other first year player.

Stop hyping him up.

He cost quite a bit.

He is 195cm and 98 kgs and he uses his body like he knows those stats.

We can hope.

Right at the minute, that is all we have got.

  On 16/10/2012 at 02:30, Geddy Lee said:

So if that eventuates, who is next in line?

Jonathan O'Rourke would have to be in the mix along with Grundy.

I sense GWS would be more about a 'bait and switch'

  On 16/10/2012 at 02:46, Deez said:

This is ridiculous.

This sort of talk has contributed to jack watts slower than expected development.

Hogan is 17 years old, to expect him to come out and amaze the crowd is stupid.

Do not expect him to come out day one and exhibit 'great white hope' skills.

He's a kid, im expecting him to play as good as any other first year player.

Stop hyping him up.

  On 16/10/2012 at 02:46, Deez said:

This is ridiculous.

This sort of talk has contributed to jack watts slower than expected development.

Hogan is 17 years old, to expect him to come out and amaze the crowd is stupid.

Do not expect him to come out day one and exhibit 'great white hope' skills.

He's a kid, im expecting him to play as good as any other first year player.

Stop hyping him up.

Jack Watts unwillingness to put his body on the line is the reason for his slow development. It has nothing to do with Demonland posters. And the massive expectations for Watts are well gone by most. The person Watts needs to blame looks back at him in the mirror.

There is a reason that your club just paid pick 3 for Hogan, plus more. A lot of thought went into that decision. And they didn't do it unless they shared my and others expectations.

If you think of the exact opposite key forward to Watts picture Hogan. By all means keep your expectations in check, but don't tell me what to do with mine.

  On 16/10/2012 at 02:46, Deez said:

This is ridiculous.

This sort of talk has contributed to jack watts slower than expected development.

Hogan is 17 years old, to expect him to come out and amaze the crowd is stupid.

Do not expect him to come out day one and exhibit 'great white hope' skills.

He's a kid, im expecting him to play as good as any other first year player.

Stop hyping him up.

Neeld said a similar thing in his presser about managing expectations of Hogan. The guy's 17 years old, I think he said something like 'we have to keep our expectations in check' or similar. I felt there was a little more he wanted to say about how Watts was handled but he kept it to himself.

If, they wanted a Key defender, & if the rumors were true, that Frawley was restless & he wanted to leave, then I'd want compensation of they're picks 2 & 13.

Otherwise I would consider packaging Jamar & Garland, for GWS's 3 & 13.

Or Jamar for 12.

They can have dunn for a 2nd Rnd pick.

  On 14/10/2012 at 08:49, Roost It said:

Those bemoaning the quality of the current game are probably whining about the lack of good silent movies as well. It can get congested at times hence we're moving to a 2 and 2 interchange. The current game has a far higher skill level, is much more physical and asks much more of players.

all true, but that doesn't mean it is more enjoyable to watch necessarily.

  On 16/10/2012 at 04:15, dee-luded said:

If, they wanted a Key defender, & if the rumors were true, that Frawley was restless & he wanted to leave, then I'd want compensation of they're picks 2 & 13.

Otherwise I would consider packaging Jamar & Garland, for GWS's 3 & 13.

Or Jamar for 12.

They can have dunn for a 2nd Rnd pick.

Can't understand this craving to give away our mature performers so we can draft some more 18 year olds who may not have any impact for two years, if at all.

  On 16/10/2012 at 04:15, dee-luded said:

If, they wanted a Key defender, & if the rumors were true, that Frawley was restless & he wanted to leave, then I'd want compensation of they're picks 2 & 13.

Otherwise I would consider packaging Jamar & Garland, for GWS's 3 & 13.

Or Jamar for 12.

They can have dunn for a 2nd Rnd pick.

Orrrrr........ we could give them Jones and Dunn for pick 1, Chip and pick 20 for pick 2, Howe for pick 3 and Silvia for pick 13.

Why keep experience when we could have picks 1, 2, 3 and 13!

  On 16/10/2012 at 04:15, dee-luded said:

If, they wanted a Key defender, & if the rumors were true, that Frawley was restless & he wanted to leave, then I'd want compensation of they're picks 2 & 13.

Otherwise I would consider packaging Jamar & Garland, for GWS's 3 & 13.

Or Jamar for 12.

They can have dunn for a 2nd Rnd pick.

I hate the sentiment of posts like this. trade away our leadership group for high draft picks. FMD!

Out of interest what do people think GWS would be prepared to give for Frawley (given they have said they want a key back)?

I would offer TMac for a top 3 pick if they wanted a Key back

  On 16/10/2012 at 04:24, GM11 said:

Can't understand this craving to give away our mature performers so we can draft some more 18 year olds who may not have any impact for two years, if at all.

You didn't read my first line.

I don't want Frawley to go at all. That must just be Your Perception.

But I am into trading to further our list & talent.

IF, Frawley wanted out,,,, as some rumours say,,,, & he were to be determined to go,,, that is what I would want.

# alternatively, as GWS have put picks up for trade I would consider Jamar, maybe Garland, certainly dunn, & Martin. But the latters wouldn't command much

  On 16/10/2012 at 05:35, olisik said:

I would offer TMac for a top 3 pick if they wanted a Key back

One of the few players to progress under Neeld and there is so much more upside - a player that can progress to be the cornerstone of our backline - but lets trade him out for an untried. Just gosh.