Pick 3 and Pick 4

[deelicious_9 3]

Just another talking point.

Who would you pick up if you were in the recruiters position?

Assuming Jack Viney slides through, I think Jimmy Toumpas would be an awesome fit to slot in number 3. I know Gold Coast  looks like his destination but they have expressed interest in a big bodied mid. (Oliver Wines type.)

An interesting one then is pick 4. Saying we got Toumpas with pick 3, would you go a big man in someone like a Grundy or maybe someone like O'Rourke who has been highly talked about - even Sam Mayes?

Thoughts?

[deelicious_9 3]

im not the biggest fan of wines. i know he is mates with viney and has amazing ability and sure woud succeed at any club. but he is just not what the club is looking for. another big bodied mid, hard nut with relentless pressure. will be gun though

[olisik 4,060]

I think Toumpas will go at #2

If GWS has picks 5 and 6 I would take Grundy with the Scully compo pick and say paybacks a bit#c

If not I would take Wines, Stringer and hopefully Kennedy at 13.

I would pass on Hogan as we most likely will have a pick in the top 7 next year and apparently there are a few KPPs in next year's draft so we can just take one then instead if needed.

Stringer, Clark, Dawes, Byrnes, + 2 small forwards from late picks and rookies will be plenty for our forward line.

Edited October 6, 2012 by Whispering_Jack

[Dee Fan 3,247]

im not the biggest fan of wines. i know he is mates with viney and has amazing ability and sure woud succeed at any club. but he is just not what the club is looking for. another big bodied mid, hard nut with relentless pressure. will be gun though

If that's not what we're looking for then what are we looking for? How good is our midfield by the way; worst in the competition?

[Scipio 5,900]

Toumpas at 3, Stringer at 4 and Kennedy at 13.

[deelicious_9 3]

dont get me wrong, i think wines is a superstar. but if you loo kat i mids, we lack outside spread and run. Our mids mainly consist of trengrove, magner, couch, viney(hopefully), jones. All who have reletivly big builds . we have been labeled slow, but a player like tompous (olisik is probably right and he will go pick two, fingures crossed he doesn't) breaks the lines and has nice polish on his execution. this is why a guy like blease has blossomed this year becuase he is able to do that. when player can spread well it creates space therefore allowing bigger bodies to show there skills as they are allowed more time. A perfect example is hawthorn, who have a perfect mix if inside mids such as mitchell, sewell, hodge and great outsides like bruest and isaac smith. my opinion is that wines is another inside mid, which we have plenty of

[olisik 4,060]

dont get me wrong, i think wines is a superstar. but if you loo kat i mids, we lack outside spread and run. Our mids mainly consist of trengrove, magner, couch, viney(hopefully), jones. All who have reletivly big builds . we have been labeled slow, but a player like tompous (olisik is probably right and he will go pick two, fingures crossed he doesn't) breaks the lines and has nice polish on his execution. this is why a guy like blease has blossomed this year becuase he is able to do that. when player can spread well it creates space therefore allowing bigger bodies to show there skills as they are allowed more time. A perfect example is hawthorn, who have a perfect mix if inside mids such as mitchell, sewell, hodge and great outsides like bruest and isaac smith. my opinion is that wines is another inside mid, which we have plenty of

Couch wont make the cut.

You forget we have Blease, Howe and Grimes who are more outside mids....who just need to get better.

Insides - Sylvia Jones Magner Viney Trenners, Wines

Outsides - Grimes, Howe, Kennedy, Blease

I dont know what Stringer would be but lets get him anyway.

[deelicious_9 3]

we need another foward, thats why the club is looking at dawes

im a fan of getting wellingham as he too is a classy outside mid

byrnes was recruited for the same reason

and this is why i beleive melbourne are not showing as much intrest in caddy as other clubs( big bodied).

[deelicious_9 3]

fair call. but why not play howe as a third foward, grimes the running back and pick up more class?

you have changed my view on wines though

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

Toumpas at 3

O'Rourke at 4

Stringer at 13

Although somewhere in the Gillette Draft we may be forced to get rid of pick 13 for someone.

[olisik 4,060]

Wines I also see is a culture changer and you know because he is mates with Viney that together they will set a trend and have chemistry.

Chemistry being something we seriously lack right now, we have no players who seem to have any with each other.

I would prefer someone not quite as good but who would bring chemistry into the team and work well with other recruits (Viney).

[GrandOld 367]

I'm a fan of Stringer at 4, Dawes is a [censored]

[olisik 4,060]

Toumpas at 3

O'Rourke at 4

Stringer at 13

Although somewhere in the Gillette Draft we may be forced to get rid of pick 13 for someone.

Toumpas will go at 2, either he does or Viney does imho.

[rjay 24,099]

I'm not a fan of the term inside and outside mids. You've just got to be good and all the good ones cover both inside and spread for outside.

The swans get some run from Jetta but all their grunt so called inside mids work hard to spread and provide an outside option. That's what we need.

By the way "Olisik", I think you are right with Toumpas. GC will take him unless they need to use the pick for Tippett. We may get lucky.

[Redleg 38,191]

Toumpas at 3, Stringer at 4 and Kennedy at 13.

You would be pretty happy with that result, with JV later as well. Then picks coming in for Rivers/Moloney/Bate and player swaps as well.

[DeeZee 6,889]

Finals have shown, that you need to be good in tight and hard at it.

Wines and Viney will help create a new culture at the club..."Collision footy"

[deelicious_9 3]

rjay- being good at both is what seperates the bests of the greats. only player that are destictivly both off the top of my head are ablett, judd.

without a doubt outside mids have to dive on the ball if it is in dispute and inside mids must be able to hit a target. but for a player to be a star in both, gee. it also comes down to their body shape. trengrove is never going to have the sspeed of jetta and blease will never attack the ball like james magner.

you are right that player must be able to do both

[Guest KingDingAling]

I'd take Toumpas and Wines regardless of the Viney situation.

[Scipio 5,900]

You would be pretty happy with that result, with JV later as well. Then picks coming in for Rivers/Moloney/Bate and player swaps as well.

Yeah, use a few of those later ones on mature recruits like Towers etc and we are laughing.

[monoccular 16,509]

How many pick 3 & 4 threads have we now had?

[IRW 1,291]

3 or 4 since I've been here anyway

[IRW 1,291]

we need another foward, thats why the club is looking at dawes

im a fan of getting wellingham as he too is a classy outside mid

byrnes was recruited for the same reason

and this is why i beleive melbourne are not showing as much intrest in caddy as other clubs( big bodied).

I'm sure this has been covered elsewhere but Dawes will cost MFC Martin decent and pick of some sort.

Ad for Wellingham its pretty clear he wants to go home,apparantly isnt intersted in talking to MFC and his 'classy outside skills 'come with a kicking efficiency of 55%!!!

Some would say that therefor he fits right in I guess but I doubt its going to happen

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,078]

Toumpas looks good.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

I'm not a fan of the term inside and outside mids. You've just got to be good and all the good ones cover both inside and spread for outside.

The swans get some run from Jetta but all their grunt so called inside mids work hard to spread and provide an outside option. That's what we need.

By the way "Olisik", I think you are right with Toumpas. GC will take him unless they need to use the pick for Tippett. We may get lucky.

if GC give pick 2 to the crows for tippett then the crows will definitely take toumpas at 2, being an adelaide boy an all

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

If we get Hogan and Viney I'm happy.