if we go for him dont want to lose good draft pick

From what i have read we offered it...

Think pick 18 may be involved

I wonder if the offer might be pick 4 for Dawes, Wellingham and their first round pick, which i guess would be around 18?

Appears we are about to pick up Collingwoods rubbish.

The guys a spud, Collingwood dont even rate him as high as a 30 y.o Lynch.

I think they do rate him, but not as high as Tippett.

And with Lynch in to share the heavy work around the forwardline & occ' Ruckwork. This means they are stretched salary cap wise & with a young forward coming on, obviously want to make more space, list wise & cap wise.

He is a decent forward who can take some heat off Clarke, & Now. This will allow us to develop another kid.

For God's Sake please don't give them pick 4, there's too much quality in this year's draft to give that away, especially to the filth. I rate Wellingham, and wouldn't mind picking up Dawes but pick 13 plus a player is ample for these 2 players. Demons do not even consider it.

i'm liking the sound of melbourne getting both wellingham and Dawes in a package deal! just on trade radio, wellingham dawes and pies 1st rnd pick (22 or whatever it is) for pick 4!

schitt NO.

Were not in the business of going backwards, & helping them get ontop of us.

P3 & P4 should be untouchable, unless we work some sort of deal with GCSuns for their P2.

Guys massive chance to pull this off! Tim Harrington met with Geoff Walsh today and offerd pick 4 for wellingham and dawes.

If we snag both of them plus a byrnes and Toumpas and Viney.. This could be one heck of a year 2013!

I hope you've got that wrong because if it's right it's another stuffed up Draft by Melbourne, absolute highway robbery they simply aren't worth it.

strong rumors everywhere i look that dawes and wellingham for pick 13

smarter trade than pick 4

I'll say it again pick 13 and Martin for Dawes and Wellingham!! Do the deal??

#14 and #~45 for Wellingham and Dawes would be plenty. #4 would be madness. We need to keep our early picks.

a much preferred scenario

I hope you've got that wrong because if it's right it's another stuffed up Draft by Melbourne, absolute highway robbery they simply aren't worth it.

I think that would signal the end for MFC imo, continuing to stuff it up when given golden opportunities.

Pick 4 for those two players is so far overs, neither of them are A graders, and Dawes may even be a C grader as present, Wellingham mid B grader.......

This feels like Freo in the 90's to me. The 3 spuds they accepted in return for letting Essendon draft Matt Lloyd. I think Collingwood know are playing us a treat with pick 4. Got to be 13 plus Martin / Pettard etc...... think we'll all live to regret seeing whoever Pies draft win a Brownlow in 5 years.

That would be worst case scenario to me. But I'd prefer not. I reckon Wellingham is worth a pick in the 20's and Dawes a pick in the 30's.

We don't need to be desperate for other club's B graders.

I much prefer the scenario you have in your sig

Pick 4 !!! FFS. What are people thinking ?

2 "role players" are worth pick 4 ?

Wellingham is a fifth choice mid (sixth when Ball is fit again) with dodgy disposal. Has never shown he can lead a midfield. Never shown he can wear a tag

Dawes is a 2nd / 3rd type forward. Not a goalkicker of note. Not a matchwinner. Not a great contested mark. Clunks them on the lead but rarely in traffic.

On his 2012 form you'd struggle to justify how he got as many games as he did.

And for those who want to point out that he was great in 2010 /11 I have one word.......Moloney

Pick 4 for these two is beyond stupid. We can play hard ball with the filth because they more then likely have to get rid of both for cap space. Pick 13 or u can shove it collingwood.

Yes, I despair at the thought of paying pick 4. We throw away the opportunity to get a much needed star for two players who definitely aren't.

Chris Dawes is Brad Miller Mk II.

God help us.

Guys massive chance to pull this off! Tim Harrington met with Geoff Walsh today and offerd pick 4 for wellingham and dawes.

If we snag both of them plus a byrnes and Toumpas and Viney.. This could be one heck of a year 2013!

Wellingham and Dawes + their P18 for our P4 & Martin?

Only if Collingwood enter a deal with the GCSuns, to Not Bid on Viney, & the Pies may get Caddy somehow.

If so, Maybe! But I'm still not comfortable, even in this scenario.

#Edit: On 2nd thoughts this deal is no good. Their pick 18 will end up around pick 23ish.

No Deal !

* edited to show I edited earlier.

Edited October 3, 201212 yr by dee-luded

I think some on here think we can wait 3-4 years to show massive improvement, we can't, our club can't, we need to start winning games and adding 6-7 18yo kids to our list will not help us win games in 2013/14. We need afl footballers 23 to 28 that cab improve our time whilst the kids learn and improve. The club can't have another season like 2012 and dawes wellingham will make is better

Come back to me when you know.

Might be a while, to lazy to look it up as i am out and about. It was along those lines

Guys massive chance to pull this off! Tim Harrington met with Geoff Walsh today and offerd pick 4 for wellingham and dawes.

If we snag both of them plus a byrnes and Toumpas and Viney.. This could be one heck of a year 2013!

Sauce? Why would Harrington meet the Pies now? We don't know what we're paying for Viney yet. That is massive in terms of what we do with pick 4. There is no way we'll be trading out pick 4 if we are forced to use 3 on Viney. Besides which and as others have said 4 is too way high. We should easily be able to package someone off to Collingwood to move this back to pick 13.

I'll say it again pick 13 and Martin for Dawes and Wellingham!! Do the deal??

This is the deal that would be fair. Pick 4 is overs.

IMO Dawes has the attributes to turn it around ala Tom Hawkins and might need that fresh start.

Pick 4 has historically been a bad pick by weaker teams...

Cale M, Hamish Hartlett (PA), Tambling (ouch!), etc....

Better what we know??

If there is indeed some mutual interest in Wellingham and Dawes to Melbourne, I'd say this will be stretched out to October 26 while the Pies ask for pick 4 and we offer pick 14 + stuff. While I'll happily have these two in our team next year, we can't part with pick 4 for them. Unless we're insane, we'll keep pick 4 off the table, and there should become chance Collingwood will relent and accept 14 and something useful given their salary cap squeeze. They have a great recent history of getting the best out of their players, and Wellingham is easily replaced and they've pretty much already replaced Dawes.

But again, I'm bracing for another 23 days of this.

We could get a seriously good player for pick 13/14. Think David Mundy, Grant Birchall, Jack Riewoldt, Jack Grimes, Harry Taylor, Luke Shuey, Sam Blease, David Zaharakis, Lewis Jetta, Nat Fyfe, Shaun Atley. That is the calibre of player usually available in that range. I know that for every one of these players there's a dud, but we should back ourselves to pick someone of quality. All of the above players are better than Wellingham and Dawes. Cumulatively, they may be better, but you don't trade a Nat Fyfe for a Wellingham and Dawes, so why trade pick 13/14? It's still a bloody high pick. I'm sure Hawthorn will be confident of picking up a great player with pick 21 or whatever they'll have. I won't be happy if we trade the pick.

(pick 4 is not even worth addressing)

Trade week started already?

We need to stand firm. They're good additions but not absolutely must haves

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