This is all very true. My argument against taking anyone through FA is based on the notion that we could potentially upgrade ourselves to pick 5 as compensation for the players lost and that this is worth more than any of the free agents we might sign. I look at the crop available and I have to think that there isn't a player there worth more to us than pick 5 in this years draft. Of course, I have no way of knowing how the AFL would grade the players we are losing but we have last year's B&F winner and a guy who has finished top 5 two years running, both of whom are in the top paid layers at the club. Surely that will count for something? Plus we have a good chance of Bate moving on, although he hasn't been talked about that much.

Added to this calculation is the fact that, as stated above, I like a few other players more than I like Lynch to fill the spot in our forward line. They are risky because of their history of injuries, but I think the potential upside is greater and they stand to be at the club for most of the nest decade rather than a couple of years.

I would expect that at the very best, we would receive an "end of first round" compensation pick (# 24) if we lost all three without adding any FA's. I would much rather add the experience of Byrnes and Lynch who know how hard you have to work to achieve finals success, than add a 5th/6th 18yr old that don't know how hard you have to work to be on an AFL list. Thats just my opinion.

But really, who knows how the AFL are going to grade net losses of FA's.

I can't figure out if this post is serious or not???

Pick 5 for Moloney & Rivers??? Hahahaha dreaming! Geezus, some of you really have no idea about the rest of the competition do you? If we were awarded pick 5 (or even pick 15) for our bunch of has beens the other clubs would mutiny.

It is very serious. The value of the compensation has to be linked to the value of the players to the club they are leaving. Moloney and Rivers, whatever people on these boards think of them, have very high value in these terms. Given that the compensation is derived from the aggregate of the value of all players moving in and out of the club via free agency, there is every chance that if we lose two or three of our highest paid players we will get top tier compensation, especially since the compensation isn't "pick 5" but rather "a first round pick after our first round pick."

It is very serious. The value of the compensation has to be linked to the value of the players to the club they are leaving. Moloney and Rivers, whatever people on these boards think of them, have very high value in these terms. Given that the compensation is derived from the aggregate of the value of all players moving in and out of the club via free agency, there is every chance that if we lose two or three of our highest paid players we will get top tier compensation, especially since the compensation isn't "pick 5" but rather "a first round pick after our first round pick."

Tanking during FA would need to be a new low if it happens

It is very serious. The value of the compensation has to be linked to the value of the players to the club they are leaving. Moloney and Rivers, whatever people on these boards think of them, have very high value in these terms. Given that the compensation is derived from the aggregate of the value of all players moving in and out of the club via free agency, there is every chance that if we lose two or three of our highest paid players we will get top tier compensation, especially since the compensation isn't "pick 5" but rather "a first round pick after our first round pick."

Rivers and Moloney do not have "very high value" in any terms. Cloke would have a very high value. Goddard would have a very high value. Rivers and Moloney would have moderate value which is likely to be a pick in the late 20's/30's.

Rivers and Moloney do not have "very high value" in any terms. Cloke would have a very high value. Goddard would have a very high value. Rivers and Moloney would have moderate value which is likely to be a pick in the late 20's/30's.

Disagree. You are talking about a B & F winner of 12 months ago who polled well in the Brownlow that year and just had a quieter year this year under a new Coach. Rivers ran 2nd to Beamer and top 5 again this year in the B & F and plays every game. Despite what some think they are not crap footballers under the FA compo scheme. They could well be a first round compo pick when added together.

Disagree. You are talking about a B & F winner of 12 months ago who polled well in the Brownlow that year and just had a quieter year this year under a new Coach. Rivers ran 2nd to Beamer and top 5 again this year in the B & F and plays every game. Despite what some think they are not crap footballers under the FA compo scheme. They could well be a first round compo pick when added together.

What is the value of a B&F finish in a rubbish side? It doesn't mean anything. I would absolutely staggered if we were given a first round pick for these two, especially if it came after our first round selection. I just can't see it happening.

What is the value of a B&F finish in a rubbish side? It doesn't mean anything. I would absolutely staggered if we were given a first round pick for these two, especially if it came after our first round selection. I just can't see it happening.

Ditto. As much as I'd love it, if Rivers and Moloney added up to one golden pick then the system is buggered. It will (or should) be two middle of the road picks.

Ditto. As much as I'd love it, if Rivers and Moloney added up to one golden pick then the system is buggered. It will (or should) be two middle of the road picks.

Totally agree.

I reckon we got paid overs for $cully by a mile.

20's and 30's would be fair compensation

I hope we bring in Byrnes in any other wy than FA so as to not reduce our potential compo from HQ for Moloney and rivers if he leaves. Would absolutely love another draft pick to have use of around trade time.

i.e last round draft pick in our draft (Geelong has a history helping good servants who are no longer required- think Gardiner and King to St Kilda for last pick from Sf kilda which was not used) or get him pre season draft as I don't reckon many other clubs would take him.

Ditto. As much as I'd love it, if Rivers and Moloney added up to one golden pick then the system is buggered. It will (or should) be two middle of the road picks.

Surely the size of the contract is the biggest component for compo.

For instance Goddard on 4 x 800k (if thats correct) that might be tier 1

Moloney and Rivers might get optimistically 250k x 2 for Moloney and 4 x 350 for Rivers.... It wouldn't even be close even with the other things like B&F etc thrown in.

Anyway back to the ol Q-Stick- I think we should really think about getting him.

Provides instant support for Clark. In my perfect scenario for MFC we have Lynch helping Clarky until Hogan is ready, and when Hogan is ready we can still use Lynch, or let him go.

He is a massive bloke and I feel we need forward line presence. We should go hard at him!

I think it will just come down to convincing him to come if we can convince him we will take him.

Was it ever confirmed if The Filth had officially submitted the papers...if not, go hard I reckon

Was it ever confirmed if The Filth had officially submitted the papers...if not, go hard I reckon

If the Pies had lodged papers it would have been announced based on what's happened with the other FA's so far. Tells me Lynch is weighing up his options.

if melbourne can sign Lynch up on three year deal that's a good one in the bag for our coach. help silence some of neeld's doubters?

Edited October 1, 201212 yr by Dillon and Parke

Brad Hardie still adamant on 6PR tonight Lynch will be coming to us, does not believe Pies can get any where near our offer. Also said despite all the hypre re Freo & Meth Coast thinks we are still in the running for Wellingham.

Wellingham likes the lifestyle in Melbourne and the only reason he would leave Pies is for extra money and by going to Dees may be able to remain in Victoria and get decent cash

Food for thought

Brad Hardie still adamant on 6PR tonight Lynch will be coming to us, does not believe Pies can get any where near our offer. Also said despite all the hypre re Freo & Meth Coast thinks we are still in the running for Wellingham.

Wellingham likes the lifestyle in Melbourne and the only reason he would leave Pies is for extra money and by going to Dees may be able to remain in Victoria and get decent cash

Food for thought

Re: Wellingham

Shame his manager said it was out of West Coast, Freo, and Collingwood only.

Re: Wellingham

Shame his manager said it was out of West Coast, Freo, and Collingwood only.

We can go over it and over it but we all know things are never set in stone.

"insert Mitch Clark example here"

We can go over it and over it but we all know things are never set in stone.

"insert Mitch Clark example here"

Mitch's contributions to the club are limitless aren't they! He's the only thing giving me hope in the FA/trade period!

I've always been a fan of the big Q. He works hard, and gives his all. If we are REALLY chasing him, as opposed to it all being just media speculation, I'd be rapt.

I can't help but think of Lynch as a big,clumsy fumbler, who's very unreliable in front of goal, despite his ability to kick long distances.

tis all a tad moot apparently as the club supposedly isnt interested in the Glove.

From facebook make it up pages:

"West Coast forward Quinton Lynch will choose between lucrative offers from Melbourne and Collingwood today. Carlton is now out of the race"

From: footballnation.com.au"

Wellingham does like it in melbourne from what I hear. Dont believe we are out of that race just yet. When it hasnt even started officially...

Disagree. You are talking about a B & F winner of 12 months ago who polled well in the Brownlow that year and just had a quieter year this year under a new Coach. Rivers ran 2nd to Beamer and top 5 again this year in the B & F and plays every game. Despite what some think they are not crap footballers under the FA compo scheme. They could well be a first round compo pick when added together.

Correct, Who would be disappointed if Beamer, Rivers and maybe even Bate compo adds up to a mid first rounder (pick 13) or even a first round (pick 5)??

Melb picks 3,4,13,14

or

3,4,5,13.