A logical idea people won't like

[sylvias dukes 9]

Ratten in Neeld out.

Robert Walls wrote a great article in the Age http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/malthouse-a-big-risk-as-blues-err-in-axing-ratten-20120829-2514j.html I urge people to read it and before some idiot comes in and claims Robert Walls knows nothing just look at his CV. Bloke seriously knows his football. The article got me thinking and I have rated Ratten as a coach and the way he handled himself this year has been fantastic. He actually possesses leadership and is made of the right stuff. Has a win loss record of 53% and the only reason he is being booted is purely Carlton arrogance. Mick Malthouse is a great coach who unfortunately wouldn't even consider Melbourne but wants to coach Carlton, bad luck Ratten. This year has been a disaster of enormous magnitude. If prior to the season I'd said we'd beaten one non expansion side you'd all have had a chuckle. We haven't even gotten close to other sides,. This isn't all Neelds fault but he doesn't inspire any confidence. Deplorable in the media and that uninspiring cliche sprinkled pre game talk doesn't feel me with confidence. End of the day it comes down to who is a better senior coach though and you'd have to be one hell of a believer to choose Neeld over Ratten

[Striker475 696]

NOPE

Ratten in Royal out more like.

[monoccular 17,628]

Next......pink batts, cash for clunkers, sack Rudd.....are you the ALP's chief strategist??

[sylvias dukes 9]

Next......pink batts, cash for clunkers, sack Rudd.....are you the ALP's chief strategist??

Stating Ratten is a better coach then Neeld somehow makes me ALP's chief strategist? Didn't know they had one to be honest. Appears to be rudderless ship (no pun intended) much like Melbourne

[bing181 9,349]

... I just don't have the patience anymore. Dumb (coy) title, dumb thread.

And just when I thought it couldn't get any worse around here ...

[DeeSpencer 26,110]

So what you are saying is that it would be a smart idea to sack a senior coach we've just appointed 1 year in and replace him with a guy who has been handy but not spectacular because Carlton made a dumb move by sacking him. Sounds like that would be an equally dumb idea.

[Sdemon53 15]

NOPE

Ratten in Royal out more like.

I was thinking the same thing myself. It must be remembered that Ratten was at Melbourne and did an excellent job. However the big question here is,would Neeld like to have Ratten at the club?

[sylvias dukes 9]

... I just don't have the patience anymore. Dumb (coy) title, dumb thread.

And just when I thought it couldn't get any worse around here ...

Saying that the title is dumb fair enough (it is). Saying the thread is dumb and not providing any reasoning, however is not fair enough. It may in your mind be stupid but the way I see it Melbourne needs to be cunning and dear I say it, without giggling, professional. Sorry Melbourne and professional aren't exactly compatible. Ratten is a proven senior coach who in my opinion is superior to that of Neeld. If available Melbourne should get him. You may act like Neeld is great and is trying to change the culture yada yada, funnily enough the same thing people said about Bailey, well believe all you want. I'm sick of believing in an untried and at this stage catastrophically deplorable coach. Everyone was unanimous in that Melbourne needed a senior proven coach not some rookie last year. After a season in which this untried rookie has led a season from hell and a proven senior coach comes on the market, fresh from the game I might add, surely it is not the worst opinion of all time.

Pick holes in the theory all you like The Master did (or at least tried) cause hopefully I'm wrong and Neeld leds us to a flag

[stuie 7,374]

I've seen the bit people won't like, still waiting on the logical part...

[sylvias dukes 9]

I've seen the bit people won't like, still waiting on the logical part...

Ratten is a good senior coach whereas Neeld isn't. Logical enough?

[stuie 7,374]

Ratten is a good senior coach whereas Neeld isn't. Logical enough?

One's just been hired, the other's just been fired... How's that logic?!

[Mallee Bull 97]

Ratten is a good senior coach whereas Neeld isn't. Logical enough?

Bugger me. It is far too early to tell whether Neeld is or is not a good senior coach. You could put who ever you want in as senior coach at the start of this season and we would still be a rabble. We have a very ordinary list. VERY ordinary list. A list that Neeld inherited, not a list he assembled. Give the man some time to delist the players he does not want and then bring in the players he does want, and then to teach these players how to play the type of footy he wants them to play.

Edited August 29, 2012 by Mallee Bull

[bing181 9,349]

Saying that the title is dumb fair enough (it is). Saying the thread is dumb and not providing any reasoning, however is not fair enough. It may in your mind be stupid but the way I see it Melbourne needs to be cunning and dear I say it, without giggling, professional.

What's professional about sacking a coach after one year?

You should go back to the very article you linked to, which puts forward the very opposite proposition to what you are, i.e.

"Geelong and Collingwood were rewarded for their faith in trying times. Kernahan should have stood by his man."

Because in case we forget:

"Kevin Sheedy's last 15 years as a senior coach netted one flag. For Malthouse it's been one flag in 17 years."

As your man who knows his footy Robert Walls notes:

"There's no coaching messiah."

Stop looking for one.

Edited August 29, 2012 by bing181

[monoccular 17,628]

A guy called Norman Smith had an absolutely awful first two years, 1952 and 1953 - if we had a Demonland back then I guess many would be labeling him a dud and calling for his immediate dismissal!!!

As they say in the classics -- the rest is history.

[bush demon 2,121]

What if we went zip-10 under Rats, culminating in a 100 point defeat at the Metronome Fortress? Would Ratten then tell us that a few players needed to get on the reality xylophone?

[beelzebub 23,389]

thanks. I like a good laugh in the morning.

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

thanks. I like a good laugh in the morning.

I agree what a laugh this thread is. I love the fact that the thread title also suggests we demonlanders don't like logic.

[Jonesbag 487]

Ratten in Neeld out.

Immediate facepalm

[beelzebub 23,389]

I agree what a laugh this thread is. I love the fact that the thread title also suggests we demonlanders don't like logic.

its a bit Meatloaf...... 2 out of 3

Yes its an Idea, Yes We wont like it, No , its not logical

[Chook 15,022]

You need to watch a bit more Star Trek if you think this thread falls under the category of "logical."

Good God, Jim.

[beelzebub 23,389]

There was a temperal disturbance in the farce Captain !!

Edited August 29, 2012 by belzebub59

[daisycutter 29,823]

are you Dr Who?

[Range Rover 1,935]

Hardnut/Tonatopia/Thaipantsman ... you've found a fwend. How sweeeeeet ....

[Robbie57 2,026]

What's professional about sacking a coach after one year?

You should go back to the very article you linked to, which puts forward the very opposite proposition to what you are, i.e.

"Geelong and Collingwood were rewarded for their faith in trying times. Kernahan should have stood by his man."

Because in case we forget:

"Kevin Sheedy's last 15 years as a senior coach netted one flag. For Malthouse it's been one flag in 17 years."

As your man who knows his footy Robert Walls notes:

"There's no coaching messiah."

Stop looking for one.

This was the most important point of the article. Premierships take time to build no matter how good the coach.

Ratten clearly can coach but we have decided to go with someone else who has the energy and desire to build from the bottom up.

[Jonesbag 487]

Hardnut/Tonatopia/Thaipantsman ... you've found a fwend. How sweeeeeet ....

Best friends forever and ever