Career worst game for Frawley today. That said, I feel so sorry for him. He gets drafted to us just in time for one of the worst six-year performances by a VFL/AFL club in history and he's the defensive lynchpin supposed to stifle the opposition's best back while our midfield gets routinely flogged.

Sad milestone game, but he's still one of the only players from our team who would be a walk-up start in any other team.

Many of melbournes great stars of the 50s played injured often.

Hang overs?

Walker and Tippett are gorillas. Johncock and dangerfield fast and muscular. No Dees to match them. Lots of Dees pulled out on contests. Gutless.

Who has beaten him this year? No rose coloured glasses just looking for some facts instead of the usual rubbish people sprout.

first time beaten this year? buddy had 23 disposals 6 marks and kicked 3.7 that night! 10 scoring shots that night.

Jack darling 16 disposals 8 marks and kicks 4.2

Jonathorn Brown 24 disposal 12 MARKS and 4 goals straight

Jack Reiwoldt 16 disposals 7 marks and 1.5.. 6 scoring shots.

Drew Petrie 13 disposals 7 marks 4 goals straight.

Mathew Pavlich 16 disposals 6 marks and kicks 4.1

Paul Stewart 16 disposals 5 marks and 5 goals straight..

better learn to reserch your facts before slagging someone else off for talking rubbish cause right now you look a bit silly..

He is meek and mild....the animal we once knew is long gone.

Ahhh, the old MCC virus is getting around. You can't be resistant forever.

Walker and Tippett are gorillas. Johncock and dangerfield fast and muscular. No Dees to match them. Lots of Dees pulled out on contests. Gutless.

not pointing the finger at anyone...........Mr Nicholson

Chip has had a below par year but part of the problem lies further up the ground. Garland and Rivers have played a fair bit up forward and Grimes has played more in the midfield. The result is less help for Chip. Also, I think our standards for him have gone up.

first time beaten this year? buddy had 23 disposals 6 marks and kicked 3.7 that night! 10 scoring shots that night.

Jack darling 16 disposals 8 marks and kicks 4.2

Jonathorn Brown 24 disposal 12 MARKS and 4 goals straight

Jack Reiwoldt 16 disposals 7 marks and 1.5.. 6 scoring shots.

Drew Petrie 13 disposals 7 marks 4 goals straight.

Mathew Pavlich 16 disposals 6 marks and kicks 4.1

Paul Stewart 16 disposals 5 marks and 5 goals straight..

better learn to reserch your facts before slagging someone else off for talking rubbish cause right now you look a bit silly..

You should remember games better. I'll give Franklin in NAB Cup but Brown kicked his first two on Watts, Stuart kicked 3 on T-Mac. He didn't play on Darling. So that leaves him with 2 of the 3 leaders of the Coleman who kicked 8 goals between them. Yep crap year.

One of the worst performances I've seen from Frawley but all our defenders. We couldn't keep position. We didn't double-team Walker or Tippett, they took marks at extreme ease and ran all night. 27 marks between them! Walker could've kicked 8 goals easily. McDonald was alright but no match for Tippett.

I think Frawley's had a worse year because we keep alternating him between talls and smalls when he should always be playing on talls and if we aren't going to develop him into a big defender may as well play Rivers back again

You should remember games better. I'll give Franklin in NAB Cup but Brown kicked his first two on Watts, Stuart kicked 3 on T-Mac. He didn't play on Darling. So that leaves him with 2 of the 3 leaders of the Coleman who kicked 8 goals between them. Yep crap year.

LOL. Love it.

Point is, Frawley is playing FB in the worst team possible to be a FB in, given the ball comes into the defensive 50 with complete and utter ease.

Walker and Tippett are gorillas. Johncock and dangerfield fast and muscular. No Dees to match them. Lots of Dees pulled out on contests. Gutless.

Big statement - who apart from DN pulled out of a contest.

Very very disappointing game from him.

He does look hampered by some sort of leg or lower back injury?

Either way, he was smashed today, which happens even to the best defenders once in a while (and especially when the opposition midfield continues to win uncontested clearances!!!!), but his body language was pathetic.

He is now a senior player, and a leader, and he needs to stop sooking when things are going against him.

Just as a side note, Mark Neeld needs to re-evaluate this "rob the backline to bolster the forwardline" crap. It's doing more harm than good.

Totally agree with the side note. Say what you will about Bailey but he built a really cohesive defensive unit which Mark Neeld has picked apart and destroyed.

not pointing the finger at anyone...........Mr Nicholson

That was disgraceful.

James Frawley has been beaten this year on numerous occasions. I see him as a fast closing defender but can struggle to contain.

I would love to see "Chip" become a fast running half back and we find another key backman (aka Tommy Mcdonald and James Sellar as CHB and FB).

Chip has pace and should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS look forward. Not sideways and backwards. He has caught the turnover virus. Watch 2010 and he was used as a running defender. Wake up Neeld. This is obvious. Use "Chip" as a weapon. NOT a cork in a dam wall.

Maybe he is worthy of consideration as a trade

James Frawley has been beaten this year on numerous occasions. I see him as a fast closing defender but can struggle to contain.

I would love to see "Chip" become a fast running half back and we find another key backman (aka Tommy Mcdonald and James Sellar as CHB and FB).

Chip has pace and should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS look forward. Not sideways and backwards. He has caught the turnover virus. Watch 2010 and he was used as a running defender. Wake up Neeld. This is obvious. Use "Chip" as a weapon. NOT a cork in a dam wall.

I second your thoughts entirely.

Parko mentioned on ABC that he just doesn't have the strength to match it with Walker.

And this bloke is supposed to be our strongest defender.? I'm sure he'll be totally dirty on himself and plan to make amends.

Maybe he is worthy of consideration as a trade

I don't know why I'm bothering but definitely not.

I'm a fan, but today was one of his poorest games I've seen for a while. Was run off his feet, but it doesn't help that the midfield is smashed. Walker got space to run in, and beat him in all areas: Body work, pace, skill, and endurance.

Not a season to remember, I'll back him to return in 2013 with a vengeance.

James Frawley has been beaten this year on numerous occasions. I see him as a fast closing defender but can struggle to contain.

I would love to see "Chip" become a fast running half back and we find another key backman (aka Tommy Mcdonald and James Sellar as CHB and FB).

Chip has pace and should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS look forward. Not sideways and backwards. He has caught the turnover virus. Watch 2010 and he was used as a running defender. Wake up Neeld. This is obvious. Use "Chip" as a weapon. NOT a cork in a dam wall.

again, he is still in our top 10 players. Do not even put "trade" and "Frawley" in the same thought.

When you have a [censored] midfield that allows the ball to get bombarded into the backline so much, your backline is going to make mistakes.

Hardly Frawley's fault. He was smashed today and many times this season but so was the rest of the team.

IMO I think the backline held up well throughout the year considering how much pressure it's constantly been under. The ease at which opposition gets it out of our forward line, through the middle and into the backline is going to put any backline in pressure.

Chip has rarely been beaten this year. Today he was hopeless. By his standards this year hasn't been good enough.

Big statement - who apart from DN pulled out of a contest.

Watts & Dunn.

Watched a lot of the game on double speed because I didn't get to watch it until around 10:00 tonight so there could be more.

Frawley is a shadow,

Has been average at best all year. WTF has happened to our AA full back??

Frawley's problem is he's developed a big head. Unless he's just following instructions, he runs off his man way too much. He needs to remember that he's a defender first and a rebounder second.