GWS (U-17's) Mini Draft

[jurrahcane 70]

LOL Darryle Pearce.

No go with Pearce, front runner, lazy and not willing to get his hands dirty.

Other than that this sounds pretty good... probably way too good knowing the mfc.

Fair point. He was a better player than most our team in the Darwin game so give him a miss !!!

[rpfc 27,646]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/143078/default.aspx

Martin being chased by GC, Geelong, WB and the Dees apparently.

Interesting thing is the idea that GC would be willing to part with Pick 2 for Martin.

That would keep them from bidding on Viney if true...

But they would have to be very keen on him to give up Pick 2 after giving up Pick 4 last year...

Pick 2 trumps whatever deal we could think up, but I would love to able to use their desire to get Martin and establish a deal with them and GWS that gets Viney into the second round.

[olisik 4,060]

http://www.afl.com.a...78/default.aspx

Martin being chased by GC, Geelong, WB and the Dees apparently.

Interesting thing is the idea that GC would be willing to part with Pick 2 for Martin.

That would keep them from bidding on Viney if true...

But they would have to be very keen on him to give up Pick 2 after giving up Pick 4 last year...

Pick 2 trumps whatever deal we could think up, but I would love to able to use their desire to get Martin and establish a deal with them and GWS that gets Viney into the second round.

Yes but then if GWS know they are going to have the 2nd pick, then it may mean that they can afford to take the risk and still pick up Whitfield.

[old55 21,644]

http://www.afl.com.a...78/default.aspx

Martin being chased by GC, Geelong, WB and the Dees apparently.

"We need to make a decision by Wednesday as to whether Jack nominates or not and part of that decision is weighting up which clubs are likely to figure for this," Dover told AFL.com.au.

"If it looks like the deal is done with the wrong club and we don't believe it would be best for Jack's development, then there is every chance that he'll stay in WA for that 12 months.

"Having a year in the system and developing a lot of the positive habits would be perfect for him in the right environment and with the right plan around him.

"I can see it working really well for a player like Jack, it's just trying to get him into the right environment."

I see ....

[rpfc 27,646]

I see ....

Yeah, what the hell does that mean?

[rpfc 27,646]

Yes but then if GWS know they are going to have the 2nd pick, then it may mean that they can afford to take the risk and still pick up Whitfield.

Father Son bidding will be over by the time GWS gets Pick 2.

If they nominate on that premise, they would be doing so with a handshake deal in place with GC. Pretty risky, especially if GC think Whitfield is worth pick 2...

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I see ....

I saw that and it looks to me like he is putting out some sort of warning that he doesn't want to go to a club that hasn't got the right development program and I take it he was referring to Melbourne. I don't usually go with the conspiracy theories but in this case I think I will.

I reckon if we get him he'll $cully us in 2 years time.

[old55 21,644]

I saw that and it looks to me like he is putting out some sort of warning that he doesn't want to go to a club that hasn't got the right development program and I take it he was referring to Melbourne. I don't usually go with the conspiracy theories but in this case I think I will.

I reckon if we get him he'll $cully us in 2 years time.

Well I'm guessing he doesn't mean Geelong and WA boy O'Meara went to GC last year ...

[Don24 103]

When does the bidding for mini draft occurs? Is it before or after the father son bidding?

If it is after as i suspect, then the chance of Gold Coast ruling themselves out of any potential mini draft picks by committing pick 2 to Viney is slim. They will want to keep that asset up their sleeve. This could work in our favor here!

[H_T 2,941]

I don't like those quotes from Dover.

[old55 21,644]

Makes GWS position tricky, clearly they want to encourage the best players to nominate so they can extract maximum trade value, but if the player says I'll only nominate if you don't accept a deal from these clubs then it diminishes the bidders.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/143167/default.aspx

The deadline for eligible players to nominate for this year's mini-draft was 2pm on Wednesday, August 1.

But I can't find a list

[rpfc 27,646]

Makes GWS position tricky, clearly they want to encourage the best players to nominate so they can extract maximum trade value, but if the player says I'll only nominate if you don't accept a deal from these clubs then it diminishes the bidders.

http://www.afl.com.a...67/default.aspx

But I can't find a list

They will probably release it soon.

[H_T 2,941]

Makes GWS position tricky, clearly they want to encourage the best players to nominate so they can extract maximum trade value, but if the player says I'll only nominate if you don't accept a deal from these clubs then it diminishes the bidders.

http://www.afl.com.a...67/default.aspx

But I can't find a list

I couldn't find it either this morning after reading this thread.

I'd like to know what Dover considers the "right environment"

He clearly needs an tour invitation.

[Axis of Bob 10,379]

He nominated:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/143390/default.aspx

[old55 21,644]

He nominated:

http://www.afl.com.a...90/default.aspx

Taking a line through Martin's manager Ben's comments above I'd say GWS has done the deal in principal and we're not in the frame.

If it's with GC and they'll end up with pick 1 & 2 I'd grow gloomy about them not nominating Viney.

Maybe they'll insist we give them pick 3 for the 2nd mini-draft pick and then they'll have 1,2,3 this year.

Can you catch paranoia through the internet?

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Taking a line through Martin's manager Ben's comments above I'd say GWS has done the deal in principal and we're not in the frame.

If it's with GC and they'll end up with pick 1 & 2 I'd grow gloomy about them not nominating Viney.

Maybe they'll insist we give them pick 3 for the 2nd mini-draft pick and then they'll have 1,2,3 this year.

Can you catch paranoia through the internet?

In the end that isnt THE worst scenario, i like the midfielder Couch a bit, although people think Hogan will go pick 2, it is overs for Couch with a pick 4 which i think it would have to be as we cannot give away pick 3 prior to F/S bidding but it will be like getting Viney and Couch for picks 4 and 25 instead of really Viney and pick 25, the value is getting a top 10 prospect type for pick 25 essentially.

The best scenario is still getting Viney at 25 and having free reign at pick s3-4 obviously

[rpfc 27,646]

Taking a line through Martin's manager Ben's comments above I'd say GWS has done the deal in principal and we're not in the frame.

If it's with GC and they'll end up with pick 1 & 2 I'd grow gloomy about them not nominating Viney.

Maybe they'll insist we give them pick 3 for the 2nd mini-draft pick and then they'll have 1,2,3 this year.

Can you catch paranoia through the internet?

Old, the F/S bidding is done before any trading.

If I were GWS I would be very worried that if I nominated Viney at Pick 1 with an 'in-principle agreement' with GC a few weeks later that GC would just pull a fast one and get Whitfield in this draft instead of agree to give pick 2 for Martin.

They might still nominate Viney but the interest in Martin by GC doesn't help or hinder.

[45HG 1,539]

Clubs shouldn't be allowed to nominate a F/S player if they didn't exist when the player's father played.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Clubs shouldn't be allowed to nominate a F/S player if they didn't exist when the player's father played.

would solve alot of headaches and reduce the post rate on DL by 50%

[dpositive 1,564]

I don't like those quotes from Dover.

Would they constitute "draft tampering"???

[sydneydee 659]

Hypothetical trading scenario.

Melb uses pick 3 for Martin with an understanding that GWS does not nominate JV

Melb trades Martin to West Coast for Gaff.

We get JV second round

Martin gets to stay in WA

Melb gets an gun midfielder with a couple of years in the system

What do others think?

[old55 21,644]

Old, the F/S bidding is done before any trading.

If I were GWS I would be very worried that if I nominated Viney at Pick 1 with an 'in-principle agreement' with GC a few weeks later that GC would just pull a fast one and get Whitfield in this draft instead of agree to give pick 2 for Martin.

They might still nominate Viney but the interest in Martin by GC doesn't help or hinder.

I do know that. But the deals are done beforehand. Anyone could reneg on any deal but that's not the way to grease future wheels.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Hypothetical trading scenario.

Melb uses pick 3 for Martin with an understanding that GWS does not nominate JV

Melb trades Martin to West Coast for Gaff.

We get JV second round

Martin gets to stay in WA

Melb gets an gun midfielder with a couple of years in the system

What do others think?

Fantastic if you can make it work. Does Andrew wish to come home?

[mdemonski2 403]

Problem is that regardless of doing any deal with gws for u17 and not touching viney, is that we still need to come up with an arrangement with gc.

How about we trade pick 3 to gws for u17 pick and pick 13 to gc for caddy. Gc and gws don't nominate viney.

So assuming puck 1 and 2 are gws whitfield and grundy and gc get martin, we get:

- hogan or crouch u17

- our choice of toumpas or wines or mayes at 4

- caddy at 13

- viney second round

[Guest KingDingAling]

Yeah, I think we should be considering a deal.

After we find out where we finish!!

But, it calls our bluff if it gets knocked back.

If smart, the GWS wont bid on Viney, leaving us pick 3 - because we will most likely bid for Martin

and it will boast his stocks, Bullies would have to give up their pick 4, another first round pick and maybe more to get him!!

So, GWS leaving us pick 3 probably means that they will get more for Martin - as sides will have to offer a lot to trump us.

I think the side that ends up last wont bid for Viney regardless - as Whitfield is your clear number 1 choice.

Its the second side that will be bidding and they will 100% bid.

I wouldnt be complaining if we ended up second last.