Matthew Bate wants out

[Mac7 309]

Sorry, couldn't see another Bate topic?

Anyway, Matthew Bate wants to get to Bulldogs and his manager is working overtime to convince Melbourne to take pick 39.

Melbourne standing firm, Hutchy said this one could get "Ugly"

[beelzebub 22,330]

I hope we take the 39. Could be useful on its own or as part of otherdealings today.

[Yoda 33]

I hope we are doing all we can to transform the Dog's Bate interest into a pick/player that will bring a decent small forward prospect to the club.

He's destined for Casey next year if he stays on our list and deserves another shot elsewhere for being a good clubman.

* My feeling is that we will cave in the final hour and pick 39 it'll be.

Edited October 17, 2011 by Yoda

[Dr. Gonzo 22,629]

Let him go, take pick 39 and move on. No point holding the guy to ransom he obviously wants out.

[simma02 53]

Agreed. Let the boy play with The Dogs. He doesn't really fit into our forward structure now.

[Demon3 2,541]

i might be one out here, but i like Bate and would want him to play footy and be happy, but is it that Neeld might have want the oppurtunity to try with him, look for another year (as he has a contract) and make his mind up after that?

[beelzebub 22,330]

I dont think Neeld seems him as a must keep

[Dr. Gonzo 22,629]

I also think Bate may not fit in all that well with our playing group. No evidence to base this on just speculation. I remember a game earlier in the year when Green had Bate open in the goalsquare and didn't handball it to him kicking the goal himself. Bate was down on confidence (in & out fo the team) and loooked pretty disappointed the captain didn't give him a freebie. Only a minor thing and maybe nothing in it but I just thought there could be some issues there.

[The Chazz 4,077]

I dont think Neeld seems him as a must keep

If they are asking for a first round pick fo rhim, obviosuly someone within the Club wants to keep him. I appreciate this is a part of the negotiation process, but still...

From memory, Harrington said he was absolutely a required player. Again, may be trying to push his price up, but I wouldn't be surprised if Neeld has a role for him.

[Deeoldfart 7,820]

I hope we take the 39. Could be useful on its own or as part of otherdealings today.

I agree in general, if Bater wants out, let him go. Pick #39 is about his worth IMO, but we don't really know what the Dees are holding out for. There may be a player involved ....... someone to fill one of Neeld's gaps perhaps.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,629]

I agree in general, if Bater wants out, let him go. Pick #39 is about his worth IMO, but we don't really know what the Dees are holding out for. There may be a player involved ....... someone to fill one of Neeld's gaps perhaps.

If it was a player thats another spot on our list we have to make room for. Who else can we delist? Bate, Warnock, Maric, Wona? Spencer?

Another thought - it was said Bate would take a pay cut to go to the Dogs - how does his contract work for next year (he has one more year with us) and does it affect our salary cap?

[Deeoldfart 7,820]

If it was a player thats another spot on our list we have to make room for. Who else can we delist? Bate, Warnock, Maric, Wona? Spencer? .............................

We won't delist Bater. If he's not traded he stays. Joel Mac is a possibility for delisting though?

[beelzebub 22,330]

I agree in general, if Bater wants out, let him go. Pick #39 is about his worth IMO, but we don't really know what the Dees are holding out for. There may be a player involved ....... someone to fill one of Neeld's gaps perhaps.

Theres these whispers that the Dees still have irons in fires , that we arent finished shopping this week yet. its down to that last hour juggling act..lol

The run home's going to be interesting

[wisedog 329]

I think pick 39 for Bate is a very generous offer, especially in a compromised draft.

I just don't know why we're playing hard ball on this one. After 6 seasons, Bate's yet to cement a place in the side and only managed 7 games in 2011. With the aquisition of Clark, he's now even less likely to be played. If he wants to move, let him go.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,629]

We won't delist Bater. If he's not traded he stays. Joel Mac is a possibility for delisting though?

Yes of course, I meant that if this trade happens Bate would be one spot gone, didn't mean he would be delisted.

[wisedog 329]

For a bit of perspective, Mitch Morton has been traded to Sydney for pick 79 and Josh Hill has been traded to West Coast for pick 49. I don't know what we're holding out for.

[old dee 22,983]

Theres these whispers that the Dees still have irons in fires , that we arent finished shopping this week yet. its down to that last hour juggling act..lol

The run home's going to be interesting

I thought KB was interesting today.

Patrick Smith this morning was positive obout Clark and no negatives about the MFC.

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

I thought Bate might have been thrown up as a trade with picks for caddy but Marcus ashcroft said no other club has approached them so I agree what's the hold up? Let him play where he wants to and #39 is a decent deal I think.

[Disco Demons 92]

What can we do with pick 39 that we can't do with bate? i'd keep bate.

[beelzebub 22,330]

For a bit of perspective, Mitch Morton has been traded to Sydney for pick 79 and Josh Hill has been traded to West Coast for pick 49. I don't know what we're holding out for.

two showbags and Farnham tickets !!

its got me perplexed. You here the old rubbish.. we're not trading him , but that offer wasnt good enough .. Pick 39 might as wel be pick 25 this year. ...after about 10-11 its all rather flat going accordingto the likes of Quale etc. . Go figure.

having said that..... The trade week blokes have been pretty cagey and accomplished this year...so I'll wait.

[Ouch! 2,043]

What can we do with pick 39 that we can't do with bate? i'd keep bate.

We bundle it up and throw it up to GC along with a compensation pick for Josh Caddy. Throw Warnock in as well.

Really hope we snare this kid instead of Essendon,....

Also the compassionate grounds for Caddy get tested, because the only requirement for GC is to get him to Melbourne, to get his to Essendon is not their problem.

EDIT: Warnock just traded... still reckon 39 and a compensation pick is a better deal than Essendon is offering....

Edited October 17, 2011 by Oucher

[Deeoldfart 7,820]

Theres these whispers that the Dees still have irons in fires , that we arent finished shopping this week yet. its down to that last hour juggling act..lol

The run home's going to be interesting

A game of poker with the clock as everyone's enemy. I love the cut and thrust of it!

[titan_uranus 22,775]

What can we do with pick 39 that we can't do with bate? i'd keep bate.

A lot.

For one, the player we take at pick 39 might be able to play AFL.

Harsh? Yes. But still, Bate is crap and is not worth pick 79, let alone 39. We should shut up, take it, and move on. He isn't good enough to hold a spot, he isn't the type of player we need, with Clark in our forward line that's another player taking a spot from him. Trade him and move on.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

What can we do with pick 39 that we can't do with bate? i'd keep bate.

We need to have 3 live picks in the ND, so somebody has to go,

Also our third pick is at 70 something so 39 is alot better option or 52 atm will be our third pick.

Do we still delist 3 now we picked up Clark and lost Warnock?

I think so

Edited October 17, 2011 by Jordie_tackles

[Dr. Gonzo 22,629]

We've lost $cully & Warnock & gained Clark have to delist at least 2 more.