The Tom Scully Saga

[rpfc 28,769]

Tom Scully will sign with Melbourne. Follow this and you'll be right.

This is the mindset of a confident Melbourne supporter.

Everyone should calm down and ask themselves whether they believe the person they hope will be a great of this club.

Do you believe in Tom?

I believe.

[Range Rover 1,935]

This issue is damaging the club.

Say what you like, we have a 19yo player who is copping all of the media focus because he is holding out for more money (either from Melbourne or GWS).

It doesn't look good.

[Hannabal 4]

"I'm sure my teammates have full trust in me."

This is the quote.

You don't say that if you've already signed a HoA. There's a lot of nervous nellies that post here.

[Red and Blue Flame 191]

Once again I feel the need to address a few points.

Why would a media personality put it out there that he is leaving when they will have egg on their fave if he stays? Surely they must know something to be saying that?

No, not really. If they put it out that he is leaving and he messes up their story and stays, they will simply deny that they ever said he was gone. Remember that one of the primary excuses many of these people have been using to justify their claims is that every player linked to GC last year went. This is 100% incorrect, but if they keep making the claim then people will eventually believe them. Likewise, should Tom stay with us it will simply not be mentioned again. They will start another self-congratulatory tale about how accurate their guesses were and conveniently forget that they had ever spread such an outlandish rumour.

Somewhat linked to the above point is the fact that GC made a play for several Melbourne players, or indeed the media said they were moving north, and amazingly none of them left. James Frawley, Ricky Petterd and Cale Morton were all rumoured to be signing with them (by the infallible media) at various times, and every one of them stayed with us.

All in all, I am disinclined to believe any of the hoard of media hacks who want to get in on the feeding frenzy and voice an opinion. There are two people who I will listen to regarding the future of Tom Scully, and I seriously doubt either Tom or his Manager will be telling us the answer until the season is over. Until then, it's all unfounded rumour ans idle speculation.

funnily enough within weeks (some cases days) all three of frawley petterd and morton signed, squashing those rumours.

[grant 10]

This issue is damaging the club.

Say what you like, we have a 19yo player who is copping all of the media focus because he is holding out for more money (either from Melbourne or GWS).

It doesn't look good.

Shwartz doesnt know jack!

I remember him 2 years ago on SEN saying repeatedly day after day that Davey is good as gone and he resigned albeit after dragging his feet somewhat with the contract, but point is Shwab is as in the know as any one of us (which is very little). I'll trust what Trenners and Watts think of Scullys position.

Bt the way, positive signs, I saw Trenners, Scully, Watts, Tappers and Gys all out at dinner together a few nights ago. GO DEES!

[RalphiusMaximus 6,088]

funnily enough within weeks (some cases days) all three of frawley petterd and morton signed, squashing those rumours.

But do you contend that they signed because of the rumours? It would be a poor effort by their managers if they allowed that to happen.

Let's look at another example. We had a player a few years ago shop himself around to other clubs. The rumour mill had him already out the door and signed with Collingwood. It was only during trade week that he decided to take a smaller contract to stay with Melbourne because his desire to play with us was greater than his need for more money. Do any of us hold this against him now that he is captaining the club?

Tom has every right to take his time and look at all of his options. The only thing that matters to me is whether he signs with us or with someone else.

[Nasher 33,617]

I kick myself everytime I open this thread

Same here Jarka. It's crossed my mind to keep a list of every single person in this thread who has indirectly (or directly in some bizarre cases) called Tom a liar and name-and-shame them when Tom signs. Perhaps change all their user titles to "owes Scully an apology" until they do so one by one. But that would be an abuse of power

In all serious though, it amazes me that some people actually seem to want him to be gone and cling to any rumour they can to back their possession. I just don't understand it.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

This issue is damaging the club.

Say what you like, we have a 19yo player who is copping all of the media focus because he is holding out for more money (either from Melbourne or GWS).

It doesn't look good.

But... let's just say the end of the season comes and Scully re-signs for a reasonable amount.

Has he still damaged the club? No?

Carry on.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

funnily enough within weeks (some cases days) all three of frawley petterd and morton signed, squashing those rumours.

Did they?

Or had they already signed (or even just agreed to terms, since we never actually see the signing), and the club just hadn't announced it yet, so they acted quickly to quash the rumours?

[rpfc 28,769]

This issue is damaging the club.

Say what you like, we have a 19yo player who is copping all of the media focus because he is holding out for more money (either from Melbourne or GWS).

It doesn't look good.

Damaging the club?

It's just damaging the nervous mindset of Melbourne supporters, and I don't really care about those Melbourne supporters anymore.

They can doubt a 19 year old all they like, but they should know that the are the ones hurting their club by buying into the BS.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Same here Jarka. It's crossed my mind to keep a list of every single person in this thread who has indirectly (or directly in some bizarre cases) called Tom a liar and name-and-shame them when Tom signs. Perhaps change all their user titles to "owes Scully an apology" until they do so one by one. But that would be an abuse of power

In all serious though, it amazes me that some people actually seem to want him to be gone and cling to any rumour they can to back their possession. I just don't understand it.

I don't agree with that statement Nasher. No-one wants him gone. Where in 15 pages of this thread has anyone stated that?

These aren't isolated rumours, and now one of our own (Schwarta) has come out and put his rep on the line.

A robust debate should now begin about what compensation we should lobby for as this process needs to start now, not later.

[rpfc 28,769]

I don't agree with that statement Nasher. No-one wants him gone. Where in 15 pages of this thread has anyone stated that?

These aren't isolated rumours, and now one of our own (Schwarta) has come out and put his rep on the line.

A robust debate should now begin about what compensation we should lobby for as this process needs to start now, not later.

One of our own? He's a half-journo (the half is because he doesn't actually find out anything, but he talks a enormous amount... there's plenty around).

And Nasher is alluding to this pathetic call to 'look at compensation because he is gone' mindset that is purely designed to lessen the blow if he decides to leave.

And is there such a thing as an 'isolated rumour?'

[Range Rover 1,935]

But... let's just say the end of the season comes and Scully re-signs for a reasonable amount.

Has he still damaged the club? No?

Carry on.

Why not sign for a reasonable amount now? Marc Murphy did.

There's no other reason to wait other than to drive your price up or go for big bucks elsewhere.

[Jaded No More 68,973]

Why not sign for a reasonable amount now? Marc Murphy did.

VISY doesn't run out of cash mid season.

[Range Rover 1,935]

One of our own? He's a half-journo (the half is because he doesn't actually find out anything, but he talks a enormous amount... there's plenty around).

And Nasher is alluding to this pathetic call to 'look at compensation because he is gone' mindset that is purely designed to lessen the blow if he decides to leave.

And is there such a thing as an 'isolated rumour?'

We differ on our respect for Schwarz''s opinion. Fine. I've got more time for him than you obviously.

But absolutely we should be looking to "lessen the blow" if he leaves. As the old saying goes, ' if you don't expect anything, you don't get anything'.

Could be the difference between getting an extra first round draft pick and being shafted by the AFL. Who knows ...

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I don't agree with that statement Nasher. No-one wants him gone. Where in 15 pages of this thread has anyone stated that?

These aren't isolated rumours, and now one of our own (Schwarta) has come out and put his rep on the line.

A robust debate should now begin about what compensation we should lobby for as this process needs to start now, not later.

That is based on the premise that he's going.

I don't know one way or the other I hope he stays and would be disappointed if he leaves, but that's the way the cookie crumbles, it's his call.

I haven't read much of this thread as it's really pointless and will just go round and round till this circus over, but from what I've read there is nothing that convinces me either way and I doubt that anyone on here would have a clue whether he's staying or going. That extends to Schwarta as well, he's just as much in the dark as we are.

First and last post on here for me.

[Guest watts04]

This issue is damaging the club.

Say what you like, we have a 19yo player who is copping all of the media focus because he is holding out for more money (either from Melbourne or GWS).

It doesn't look good.

Agree on this one!!

[Guest Artie Bucco]

Agree on this one!!

haha no surprises there...

[QueenC 74]

Joss Whedon is my master.

Some Whedonites on here just squealed when they read that.

Nerds.

Yep, see my name!!!

[QueenC 74]

I doubt anyone in Western Sydney even knows who he is!

Or for that matter who any of these players are......

Nor do they really care at this point.

[The Backyard Charizard 1,202]

I haven't entered into this "he's staying/he's going" argument up to this point and I'm not about to....

But, this is how I believe it will pan out....

* Melbourne come out and narrowly beat Collingwood tomorrow. With Tom playing a major role in the win.

* Melbourne finish the season in 6th spot and beat Essendon in the first final.

* Melbourne makes it to a semi, but loses by 3 points to eventual premiers Geelong.

* Tom comes out after that match and says "I would just like to announce that I love this club and have signed a 3 yr deal, why wouldn't you want to be part of this?!?!"

* Scully holds a press conference with Jack Watts and Jack Trengove, announcing to the football world that it's all about flags and "we intend to win a lot!"

* 2012 membership hits 45,000 and the journey begins!

Until I see otherwise....

That is what keeps my sleeps peaceful

Edited June 12, 2011 by KrazyJay

[MadAsHell 4,215]

I haven't entered into this "he's staying/he's going" argument up to this point and I'm not about to....

But, this is how I believe it will pan out....

* Melbourne come out and narrowly beat Collingwood tomorrow. With Tom playing a major role in the win.

* Melbourne finish the season in 6th spot and beat Essendon in the first final.

* Melbourne makes it to a semi, but loses by 3 points to eventual premiers Geelong.

* Tom comes out after that match and says "I would just like to announce that I love this club and have signed a 3 yr deal, why wouldn't you want to be part of this?!?!"

* Scully holds a press conference with Jack Watts and Jack Trengove, announcing to the football world that it's all about flags and "we intend to win a lot!"

* 2012 membership hits 45,000 and the journey begins!

Until I see otherwise....

That is what keeps my sleeps peaceful

I like the way KrazyJay thinks!

[Deetective Sgt. Taggert 389]

I like the way KrazyJay thinks!

I second that!

[Striker475 696]

Thanks to the sticky I just watched the video of the Scully press conference again, and it does settle you somewhat. He really was unequivocal when he said it.

We need to take a step back and realise the huge media beatup element of this as well I think.

[Demonland 73,140]

As a public service to Demonlanders I've opened and closed a thread that links to the Herald Sun article of 4 March 2011 containing Tom Scully's definitive thoughts on whether he has or has not signed with the GWS Giants - READ MY LIPS.