Casey Scorpions v Coburg

[Akum 2,660]

Can anyone post a description of player performance at Casey, inc. Wonna.

Just a few comments about some players, not a complete summary.

Wona played in short bursts and was rusty as hell, but just oozes class. Kicked 0.3, but the 3 behinds were all posters (which must be some sort of record, who knows?). Probably needs a few more Casey games to improve his fitness, but it's so obvious that he'll just rip it up when he gets back in the AFL. Seemed to chat & joke a lot with JW during interchanges, and the thought of these two playing alongside each other for the Dees ..... ooooooooohhh!

Jetta is just a real jet. A number of times he made supreme efforts to get himself to a contest that looked like there was no way he'd get there. Hits the ball really hard as we know, but the best thing about his game is that he used it well. He's a totally different player to Davey or Bennell, and agree that he's a mid, not a FP or HFF. No doubt that we've got the best Jetta.

But the one who impressed me the most was Gysberts. His ball-handling is so clean, no matter which way it comes to him, and he often seems to get the ball in traffic but have time to use it quickly and well by hand (almost Scully-like) or foot. For someone who's essentially an inside mid, he has such great disposal skills. He's an unusual type of player who's going to create loads of headaches for opposing sides, and I have no doubt that he'll prove to be a fantastic pick-up at #11.

[Deeoldfart 7,820]

I fractured my patella, and was told at the time that is a relatively "good" knee injury to sustain as it is easier to recover from.

Personally I think it's [censored], because my knee is a disgrace and it's been 6 months.

Very good news about Morton though. His knees are far more important than mine!

I suspect most of us agree with that conclusion Jaded, but good luck with yours anyway.

[pringle 42]

I fractured my patella, and was told at the time that is a relatively "good" knee injury to sustain as it is easier to recover from.

Personally I think it's [censored], because my knee is a disgrace and it's been 6 months.

Very good news about Morton though. His knees are far more important than mine!

The patella is usually the one that recovers well. Without having seen your knee, I suspect you have damaged the articular cartilage (under-surface) of your patella. This is probably causing your current grief. How bad was the break?

[Whispering_Jack 28,089]

Just an update on a couple of injured players.

James Strauss was out this week with gastro.

Sam Blease - as indicated above, shin soreness.

Luke Tapscott - Spoke with him briefly at the ground. He is due to start running again this week and, depending onn how things go, he should soon be slotting into training. There's no question of rushing things but definite signs of progress.

[Jaded No More 59,067]

The patella is usually the one that recovers well. Without having seen your knee, I suspect you have damaged the articular cartilage (under-surface) of your patella. This is probably causing your current grief. How bad was the break?

MRI came back clean, so it appears I didn't damage any cartilage whatsoever.

The break was a very clean one, and only extended 3/4 of the way through the bone. Didn't need surgery, just 6 weeks off the leg in a splint.

I have lost all muscle function and have little strength in the leg, despite doing physio a week after the break occurred.

I think my physio is a moron

[Redleg 38,024]

I think my physio is a moron

He speaks highly of you.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

I'm not entirely sure I agree with the love for Cheney in this thread. Defensively he was great, but his disposal was well below par and some of his decisions were terrible. He really needs to work on that area of his game if he wants a regular spot with the Demons.

[old55 21,623]

I think my physio is a moron

Tried TGR?

[Nasher 33,166]

He speaks highly of you.

Heh! Whoops!

[Guest DeesPower]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and respect people views games differently............ however, I will fight you to the death over this.

Watts was easily top 3 best on ground, a view shared by all around me. Not sure why his goals weren't dominant?

One was from a contested mark, one was from a lead that hit him on the chest, one was a freaky mark and play on, one was from a free kick because his opponent scragged him to stop Watts.

I guess if you consider them all gimme's then he was lucky.

But surely the two direct and great handballs that set up goals were pretty good.

Also he missed 2 shots at goal.... would 6 have been dominant?

Yes, his team mates did look for him on a lead.... thats what is supposed to happen. It means he was leading to the right spaces more than anyone and making lots of leads. So not sure how he was spectating at all?

Im not saying Wayne Carey was out there, but you've sold him short in almost everyway and im truly shocked that this is your opinion.

Sounds like you were at last weeks game, or at least in that negative mindset.

I think you should read the original thread. I too was a bit shocked when i read it originally, but having read it again I think the trust of what was said is basically Jack is not playing like a dominant forward that many at melbourne think he will turn into. He won't. He will be sublimely skilled, but he won't be a Carey or a Brown, and that may suit the modern game.

Many melbourne supporters have an unrealistic view of JW. He may turn out to be the greatest forward of all time, but it wont be as a power forward.

I think that was the point of this thread.

People are entitled to their view and they don't deserve to be ridiculed for them. I happen to largely agree with the basic thrust of his message, and it is doing Jack a favour to get demon supporters to have a realistic understanding of the sort of player Jack is. Not everyone can spare the time to watch him at Casey every week.

Edited May 13, 2010 by DeesPower

[Hannabal 4]

Many melbourne supporters have an unrealistic view of JW. He may turn out to be the greatest forward of all time, but it wont be as a power forward.

I happen to largely agree with the basic thrust of his message, and it is doing Jack a favour to get demon supporters to have a realistic understanding of the sort of player Jack is. Not everyone can spare the time to watch him at Casey every week.

I suppose it depends upon your notion of a power forward. For what it's worth, I think that he will be a "power forward", just one of the likes that has rarely been seen before.

Watts is faster and more agile than almost all of the mids in the competition. His skills are on a par with the best mids in the competition. Is this why you don't think he'll be a power forward ? Is it because he doesn't fit the stereotype of a power forward ?

He's going to be an extremely powerful man in 3/4 years. Sure, he won't stay in the square and wrestle all day. He'll use his speed up the ground and turn his opponents inside out by doubling back and he'll also be too quick on the lead, but it will be well within his armoury to outmuscle an opponent.

I suggest he'll become the quintessential power forward. So, yeah, I beg to differ.

[Guest DeesPower]

I suppose it depends upon your notion of a power forward. For what it's worth, I think that he will be a "power forward", just one of the likes that has rarely been seen before.

Watts is faster and more agile than almost all of the mids in the competition. His skills are on a par with the best mids in the competition. Is this why you don't think he'll be a power forward ? Is it because he doesn't fit the stereotype of a power forward ?

He's going to be an extremely powerful man in 3/4 years. Sure, he won't stay in the square and wrestle all day. He'll use his speed up the ground and turn his opponents inside out by doubling back and he'll also be too quick on the lead, but it will be well within his armoury to outmuscle an opponent.

I suggest he'll become the quintessential power forward. So, yeah, I beg to differ.

I mean a power forward in the Neitz, Hall, Carey, Brown, Lockett or even Fevola mode.

I think JW will be much more like Reiwolt or Royce Hart who relied on quickness, skill, long accurate kicking and speed of hand and feet. Jack certainly has these attributes as well as the skills of an elite mid fielder: extraordinary awareness, agile, Scully-like handballing ability and elusiveness. He also will be great on the fast lead (although that is one area which is underdeveloped with him at the moment).

I don't see him taking strong pack marks against Scarlett type forwards, he just is not built like that, but i certainly can see him taking spectacular marks in the way for instance Royce Hart used to: flying in from the side, superior leap, great anticipation and capped off by a long accurate kick.

The combination of key forward skills in the Reiwolt mode and the skills of an elite mid fielder in the Scully mode may well make him a unique AFL talent, but it just won't be as a muscleman forward, and all i'm saying is that Demons fans should understand what they have here. I have no doubt in three or four year's time he will be in the top half dozen players in the AFL, it is just that he won't be another Jonathan Brown. And maybe that is appropriate for the fast, skillful running modern game of today and tomorrow. I get the feeling reading these threads and listening to comments about Jack in the media that he will be expected to come into the team and dominate the game like a Carey, and with his sort of intimidating presence. He won't. His dominance will be a lot more subtle, but the end result will be similar or better.

Edited May 13, 2010 by DeesPower

[H_T 2,941]

Riewoldt is a power forward.

[Guest Thomo]

I mean a power forward in the Neitz, Hall, Carey, Brown, Lockett or even Fevola mode.

I think JW will be much more like Reiwolt or Royce Hart who relied on quickness, skill, long accurate kicking and speed of hand and feet. Jack certainly has these attributes as well as the skills of an elite mid fielder: extraordinary awareness, agile, Scully-like handballing ability and elusiveness. He also will be great on the fast lead (although that is one area which is underdeveloped with him at the moment).

I don't see him taking strong pack marks against Scarlett type forwards, he just is not built like that, but i certainly can see him taking spectacular marks in the way for instance Royce Hart used to: flying in from the side, superior leap, great anticipation and capped off by a long accurate kick.

The combination of key forward skills in the Reiwolt mode and the skills of an elite mid fielder in the Scully mode may well make him a unique AFL talent, but it just won't be as a muscleman forward, and all i'm saying is that Demons fans should understand what they have here. I have no doubt in three or four year's time he will be in the top half dozen players in the AFL, it is just that he won't be another Jonathan Brown. And maybe that is appropriate for the fast, skillful running modern game of today and tomorrow. I get the feeling reading these threads and listening to comments about Jack in the media that he will be expected to come into the team and dominate the game like a Carey, and with his sort of intimidating presence. He won't. His dominance will be a lot more subtle, but the end result will be similar or better.

Richo with better skills and attitude????

Edited May 13, 2010 by Thomo

[Hannabal 4]

I mean a power forward in the Neitz, Hall, Carey, Brown, Lockett or even Fevola mode.

I think JW will be much more like Reiwolt or Royce Hart who relied on quickness, skill, long accurate kicking and speed of hand and feet. Jack certainly has these attributes as well as the skills of an elite mid fielder: extraordinary awareness, agile, Scully-like handballing ability and elusiveness. He also will be great on the fast lead (although that is one area which is underdeveloped with him at the moment).

I don't see him taking strong pack marks against Scarlett type forwards, he just is not built like that, but i certainly can see him taking spectacular marks in the way for instance Royce Hart used to: flying in from the side, superior leap, great anticipation and capped off by a long accurate kick.

The combination of key forward skills in the Reiwolt mode and the skills of an elite mid fielder in the Scully mode may well make him a unique AFL talent, but it just won't be as a muscleman forward, and all i'm saying is that Demons fans should understand what they have here. I have no doubt in three or four year's time he will be in the top half dozen players in the AFL, it is just that he won't be another Jonathan Brown. And maybe that is appropriate for the fast, skillful running modern game of today and tomorrow. I get the feeling reading these threads and listening to comments about Jack in the media that he will be expected to come into the team and dominate the game like a Carey, and with his sort of intimidating presence. He won't. His dominance will be a lot more subtle, but the end result will be similar or better.

I disagree with you. Whilst there are degrees of everything, I think you're selling Watts short. He is going to be far more powerful and stronger than you're asserting. And he will be able to "pack mark" against the best fullbacks of the day.

Power comes from speed and bulk. Watts will have both in spades, ergo, a power forward. Just unlike many we've seen.

[Hobbits's 17]

I disagree with you. Whilst there are degrees of everything, I think you're selling Watts short. He is going to be far more powerful and stronger than you're asserting. And he will be able to "pack mark" against the best fullbacks of the day.

Power comes from speed and bulk. Watts will have both in spades, ergo, a power forward. Just unlike many we've seen.

He has bulked up considerably already. I think he will be a power forward, as you say. He did ok (nothing flash though) first up against a perenial B&F full back in Glass.