Our continuous injury woes!

[The O 39]

Fair enough. But it's hard to keep the faith when:

(1) Our current crop of injuries are all of the type that are completely preventable - foot stress fractures & hammies;

(2) All 4 of our specialist ruckmen who have played an AFL game have a preventable injury which has made them unable to participate in full training, and is likely to keep them all out of full training until at least the start of the season.

This is not a position that other clubs are in.

I agree it's hard to keep the faith, but when professional athletes are training at 100%, you're bound to get some some soft tissue injuries (especially hammies). But the point I was trying to make was that we've had no new "serious" injuries which would keep a player out of training for more than 3-4 weeks, since we finished last season (including Wonna's re-occurence of the hammie). In fact I'd suggest we'd have fewer injuries going into our NAB game than I can remember from previous seasons and within 3 weeks will be close to having a full complement of available players.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) depending on you way of looking at point (2) we opted to send Johnson, Jamar and Meeson in for foot surgeries at the end of last season, so whilst they may be unable to participate in full training, all 3 should be close to right to go for the start of the AFL round 1 with Jamar a possibility for the NAB cup.

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

It is a Brutal Contact Sport. I am sure nobody plans injuries-They Just Happen.

You cannot keep the Team Hidden in a Velvet box until Round 1.

At least we haven't had any knee injuries or broken bones so far this pre-season...TOUCH WOOD.

[jayceebee31 759]

This response is severly off putting and contains no new injuries (other than Bate recovering from some foot soreness). Jamar, Meeson, Johnson, Davey and Bate are all recovering from post season surgeries, so thus the reason for them to be considered on the "injured" or on the out of action list. Spencer was simply crook/ill. Garland and Wonaemirri have all had some hicups during their recovery, but I disagree 100% with your suggestion that we have far too many injuries at present. I'd content that we're in a better position (injury wise) than almost every other club.

Davey has just become injured .He trained the house down on the 8th January. For God's sake this is pre season - the time to get the list ready to play in around 7 to 8 weeks for Round1.. I actually agree with Whispering Jack when he stated it maybe time for gain an independent to check on these issues.WJ stated on page 1, Item 10- suppose it might not be a bad idea for someone independent to look at how we prepare our players.

Edited January 29, 2010 by jayceebee31

[Jaded No More 68,867]

Our injury list at the moment is not at all woeful, and people need to stop pressing the panic button already.

For starters, Aussie and Davey won't miss a huge amount of training as a result of soft tissue injuries and it won't hurt their availability come Round 1. We know Aussie did a hammy, but was burning up the track beforehand, and Davey suffering those types of injuries after a big training load is hardly shocking or unusual.

It also sounds like Bate and Jamar will be right to go in the season proper, which is the only thing that matters.

Of the others, Garland's news are very positive. He is running and back on track and if it takes another 3 months or 6 months for him to shake off this horrible injury forever, than so be it. Short term pain and all that. It took Grimes over a year to fix his stress fractures, and I expect Garland to be much the same. If he plays 16+ games this year without any soreness or complications it will be a huge win and great progress.

Meesen and PJ do not play a vital role in our side and are the only long term injuries at the moment, which means our list is in pretty good shape. And besides, I welcome the chance to give other players the chance to take over the ruck duties, given Meesen is a rookie who has shown little and PJ has plenty of deficiencies. Oh and Spencer has been ill, he isn't injured, which is unfortunate but unavoidable..

The proper season gets underway in 2 months. That's a whole 8 weeks, which is a huge amount of healing time for various soft tissues, viral and structural injuries. Lets re-assess post NAB Cup and see where we stand.

[Keyser Söze 0]

Could this be a lingering problem from using pathetic facilities all these years?

I Remember that new russian(?) fitness/physio- whatever he is, mentioning that he had to re-teach a fair few how to exercise correctly, from the ground up, so to not cause injury down the track due to incorrect form, etc..

Maybe the advice was to late for some?

You're talking about our Strength and Conditioning Coach Valeri Stoimenov - he had to teach some of the players the correct technique when lifting weights.

Vastly different things.

Edited January 29, 2010 by Keyser Söze

[Keyser Söze 0]

When I first made this thread I came into a windful of abuse ridicule etc.. now I say what is your thoughts now???

It was a windfall of abuse, and its still well deserved.

Even moreso because now you think you have been proven correct.

[jayceebee31 759]

It was a windfall of abuse, and its still well deserved.

Even moreso because now you think you have been proven correct.

You are just one complete smart / arse AND IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I WAS CORRECT. However, I surely wish I wasn't.I'd prefer to have all our list right and ready to go. I am sick of loosing.I want to be able to put our best team on the park and in particular at the start of a season.You just seem to want to sit back and pick on anyone - you are a jerk.

Furthermore, may I say at the start of 2008- we played Meeson because we had no other ruckman . Now we only have Martin. Don't you think something is wrong with regards to out football department/ Doctors.Furthermore, Wonaeamirri is still not right- it has taken now 12 months - how long do they need. No other football team is so pathetic as ours are in this regard.

Edited January 29, 2010 by jayceebee31

[gOLLy 401]

Ive just read the last pages of this thread gee has there been some dribble.

Murphy's Law ...."Dont argue with a fool, people might not know the difference"

As for the injuries I'm looking at it as if the club is saying we're not interested in the NAB Cup. Rd 1 is what matters.

[Keyser Söze 0]

You are just one complete smart / arse AND IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I WAS CORRECT. However, I surely wish I wasn't.I'd prefer to have all our list right and ready to go. I am sick of loosing.I want to be able to put our best team on the park and in particular at the start of a season.You just seem to want to sit back and pick on anyone - you are a jerk.

Furthermore, may I say at the start of 2008- we played Meeson because we had no other ruckman . Now we only have Martin. Don't you think something is wrong with regards to out football department/ Doctors.Furthermore, Wonaeamirri is still not right- it has taken now 12 months - how long do they need. No other football team is so pathetic as ours are in this regard.

Not at all, I said you think you are correct. You are not.

I'll happily have the club pick fit players.

Injuries occur, it is a fact of football at any level.

I don't see any reason for concern yet, but Im also sure the club undergoes a thorough review of every injury and try to pinpoint the cause and subsequent prevention.

Jeez, those Geelong fans must be livid - Egan was an AA CHB and their medical dept is so inept that he had to hang up the boots... see how stupid that sounds?

Cox and Kerr missed most of last season with injury - aren't WCE the richest club in terms of resources..? Their fans must be livid!

Unbelievable...

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

I don't like some of the excuse-making going on here.

The point is not whether the players will "get right" before round 1. The point is that many of these names are those of players who need to impress this year both for their own careers, and to ensure any kind of success for the club in 2010.

It's no good just being fit between round 1 and round 22. The pre-season is where SO much development is done. Bate, for example, looks like he's missing out on whole chunks of a preseason. He's nigh-on impossible to replace in our list at the moment. If he has wishy washy form, WE have wishy washy form.

2010 is about win/loss ratio. Not many are expecting miracles, but getting EVERY fit player we can get on the field is just the first step. And we can't even get THAT right.

Our ruck division us hugely suspect, and now we have a pinch-hitter as the only fit guy doing a proper pre-season. Given the rest are all hurt or sick, I would imagine they'd have a similar year s they did in 2009. Which spells DISASTER for us.

I'm [censored]. And I think I'm entitled.

[Keyser Söze 0]

Ive just read the last pages of this thread gee has there been some dribble.

Murphy's Law ...."Dont argue with a fool, people might not know the difference"

As for the injuries I'm looking at it as if the club is saying we're not interested in the NAB Cup. Rd 1 is what matters.

Do you mean 'Muphry's Law'..?

That would be closer.

Either way, they're both wrong!

But I understand what you mean.

[Keyser Söze 0]

2010 is about win/loss ratio. Not many are expecting miracles, but getting EVERY fit player we can get on the field is just the first step. And we can't even get THAT right.

Show me ONE team that has ever gone through a preseason without an injury.

Unrealistic expectations.

[jayceebee31 759]

Our injury list at the moment is not at all woeful, and people need to stop pressing the panic button already.

For starters, Aussie and Davey won't miss a huge amount of training as a result of soft tissue injuries and it won't hurt their availability come Round 1. We know Aussie did a hammy, but was burning up the track beforehand, and Davey suffering those types of injuries after a big training load is hardly shocking or unusual.

It also sounds like Bate and Jamar will be right to go in the season proper, which is the only thing that matters.

Of the others, Garland's news are very positive. He is running and back on track and if it takes another 3 months or 6 months for him to shake off this horrible injury forever, than so be it. Short term pain and all that. It took Grimes over a year to fix his stress fractures, and I expect Garland to be much the same. If he plays 16+ games this year without any soreness or complications it will be a huge win and great progress.

Meesen and PJ do not play a vital role in our side and are the only long term injuries at the moment, which means our list is in pretty good shape. And besides, I welcome the chance to give other players the chance to take over the ruck duties, given Meesen is a rookie who has shown little and PJ has plenty of deficiencies. Oh and Spencer has been ill, he isn't injured, which is unfortunate but unavoidable..

The proper season gets underway in 2 months. That's a whole 8 weeks, which is a huge amount of healing time for various soft tissues, viral and structural injuries. Lets re-assess post NAB Cup and see where we stand.

Did you notice that Wona did miss the last 12 months from injury which started from soft tissue injuries.

[DemonDan... 77]

Our injury list at the moment is not at all woeful, and people need to stop pressing the panic button already.

For starters, Aussie and Davey won't miss a huge amount of training as a result of soft tissue injuries and it won't hurt their availability come Round 1. We know Aussie did a hammy, but was burning up the track beforehand, and Davey suffering those types of injuries after a big training load is hardly shocking or unusual.

It also sounds like Bate and Jamar will be right to go in the season proper, which is the only thing that matters.

Of the others, Garland's news are very positive. He is running and back on track and if it takes another 3 months or 6 months for him to shake off this horrible injury forever, than so be it. Short term pain and all that. It took Grimes over a year to fix his stress fractures, and I expect Garland to be much the same. If he plays 16+ games this year without any soreness or complications it will be a huge win and great progress.

Meesen and PJ do not play a vital role in our side and are the only long term injuries at the moment, which means our list is in pretty good shape. And besides, I welcome the chance to give other players the chance to take over the ruck duties, given Meesen is a rookie who has shown little and PJ has plenty of deficiencies. Oh and Spencer has been ill, he isn't injured, which is unfortunate but unavoidable..

The proper season gets underway in 2 months. That's a whole 8 weeks, which is a huge amount of healing time for various soft tissues, viral and structural injuries. Lets re-assess post NAB Cup and see where we stand.

Only 2 months, geez.. Is that enough time to heal injuries, get back up to speed with the rest of the group and then progress to a 'match speed' level with everyone else, - doing this while limiting the risk of a re-occurance of that original injury?? ..and spencer lost 10 odd kgs, possibly worse (timewise) than an injury.

Dont forget how even a slight hiccup (Watts' ass infection before x-mas for eg) can put a player way behind the rest of the group and opposition players.

Players know that an uninterupted is the key to the season ahead and the aim is to ready before -rd 1- season proper, not the week -rd.1- begins.

1st 5 games at the g' this year - ideally we'd want Davey, Bater, Wona, Jamar, Johnson all starting players, to be fit and flying and right now just 8 weeks out, theyre all injured.. and im spewin personally.

You're talking about our Strength and Conditioning Coach Valeri Stoimenov - he had to teach some of the players the correct technique when lifting weights.

Vastly different things.

Isnt that what i said? He had to re-teach most how to exercise properly again.."so to not cause injury down the track due to incorrect form."

Gym work counts as exercise..

Show me ONE team that has ever gone through a preseason without an injury.

Unrealistic expectations.

This post is just ridiculous.

[demon3165 2,711]

Did you notice that Wona did miss the last 12 months from injury which started from soft tissue injuries.

Let me see every clown new that Meesen and Johnson had long term injury's guess I was wrong it's not what you have now it's what's you start with.

[jayceebee31 759]

Let me see every clown new that Meesen and Johnson had long term injury's guess I was wrong it's not what you have now it's what's you start with.

I can asure you I did not know that Paul Johnson had a long term injury until I went to training in December. Please advise me how you knew? All I knew is Johnson played out the last games of the year as the sole ruckman,except when he played back pocket whilst Meeson has been injured for 20 odd months now.

Edited January 30, 2010 by jayceebee31

[jayceebee31 759]

As per Aplha 33's new thread - I repeat his post

The middle page spread of the Sunday Age sports section contains an injury list of sorts for each of the clubs. I'm certain its not comprehensive but perhaps we can use it as a basis to determine the true health of our list. I've got them down in alphabetical order:-

Matthew Bate (foot) -

Sam Blease (leg) -

Colin Garland (foot) -

Paul Johnson (foot) -

John Meesen (foot) -

Austin Wonaeamirri (hamstring) -

Those are the players listed in the article as being on modified programmes but just off the top of my head I would add that Mark Jamar and newcomer Max Gawn (recovering from ACL op) should also be on the list although it has been mentioned that Jamar is due to resume full training this week. Not 100% sure about this but I think his problem was also the foot.

We seem to have struck the jackpot with foot issues. Only two other AFL clubs have players listed with foot injuries and they have one case each: Fremantle (Ryan Crowley) and North Melbourne (Ben Cunnington). Co-incidence or a real cause for concern?

Whilst 3 are old injuries--- the others are still a concern. I refer to my opening post-- where Iask the question,Maybe we need to analyse our football department further regarding our Doctors etc.. in this area,to prevent these injuries, especially reoccuring. We cannot afford to have issues similar to Joel Smith happen to our wonder players such as Watts, Scully, Trengove etc.. Need to do something & NOW.

[Keyser Söze 0]

Only 2 months, geez.. Is that enough time to heal injuries, get back up to speed with the rest of the group and then progress to a 'match speed' level with everyone else, - doing this while limiting the risk of a re-occurance of that original injury?? ..and spencer lost 10 odd kgs, possibly worse (timewise) than an injury.

Dont forget how even a slight hiccup (Watts' ass infection before x-mas for eg) can put a player way behind the rest of the group and opposition players.

Players know that an uninterupted is the key to the season ahead and the aim is to ready before -rd 1- season proper, not the week -rd.1- begins.

1st 5 games at the g' this year - ideally we'd want Davey, Bater, Wona, Jamar, Johnson all starting players, to be fit and flying and right now just 8 weeks out, theyre all injured.. and im spewin personally.

Isnt that what i said? He had to re-teach most how to exercise properly again.."so to not cause injury down the track due to incorrect form."

Gym work counts as exercise..

This post is just ridiculous.

You're either a gullible and excitable young chap, or you don't pay enough attention to what you write in your own posts.

Retroactively twisting your words, to make it sound like you knew what you were on about, just won't cut it.

Try again.

[Keyser Söze 0]

Whilst 3 are old injuries--- the others are still a concern. I refer to my opening post-- where Iask the question,Maybe we need to analyse our football department further regarding our Doctors etc.. in this area,to prevent these injuries, especially reoccuring. We cannot afford to have issues similar to Joel Smith happen to our wonder players such as Watts, Scully, Trengove etc.. Need to do something & NOW.

Once again, you just assume the club has done nothing.

Paraphrasing one of your other posts - you are not a doctor.

So leave it to the experts.

We don't have an abnormally large injury list, so just accept that injuries will happen and move on.

[DirtyDees DDC 176]

At some stage each year all sections of the club will come up for review - the medical staff will be no exception. If we have a number of players suffering similar injuries then that should be part of the review. It may just be a coincidence that we have 5 players with foot injuries and they could all be different types of injuries (eg; muscle vs bone).

Jamar is an interesting case. I'm certain I saw his frame in those early photos of last October when a number of players were running around the tan. I wonder if he developed further soreness after he resumed training. The lack of a full pre-season is a worry for a number of players, but at least guys like Rivers, Sylvia and Maric have been on the track for the summer. We'll get a better idea in 2 weeks with the first intra club match at 10am 13 Feb at Casey. I have a feeling they'll rest some of the senior players (maybe Davey and McDonald).

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

Bring on the football! For people to be arguing and name calling over something so minor - and mindless - as this seems to be a sign of MFC withdrawal. Calm down people and save the vitriol for the season proper.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

hehe

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I have just deleted a number of posts that were so low on the content scale it was not funny.

Thread is closed until further notice.