Demons cut Valenti and Buckley

[Hiram Cowfreak 78]

i"d love to turn over a couple of our players for picks 34 and 50 but it obviously won"t happen now.

I think there has been a few glaring errors with our contracting that have lead to the situation we are in now...and we have to carry some cloggers next year instead of milking this years draft as we should

The rookie draft this year will be seriously compromised by GC so we will keep Healey, Hughes, Spencer and Jordy and probably only take one with rookie pick # 6 .nothing official about Zomer so I expect he will stay as well?

[#MYHEARTBEATSTRUE 27]

nothing official about Zomer so I expect he will stay as well?

Are you serious?

[Carn dees 108]

There will be more delistings of the rookie list surely.

[Nasher 33,616]

nothing official about Zomer so I expect he will stay as well?

Two years on the rookie list for zero senior games and spending most of your time in the VFL reserves = certainty to be delisted. He'll have already been told even if nothing's been 'officially' released. If anything had been released, would anyone have noticed or cared?

I imagine Healey and McKenzie will be retained for the obligatory second year. Don't know about Hughes, but personally I'd rather someone else took his spot.

[beelzebub 23,380]

Yes ...I can almost hear the Zome.... Zome... Zoomed !! gone

list clogger extraordinaire really !!

[rpfc 28,502]

Yes ...I can almost hear the Zome.... Zome... Zoomed !! gone

list clogger extraordinaire really !!

Jeez, BB59.

The kid was on the RL. He was clogging the list in place of the 2008 Rookie Selection 56.

[beelzebub 23,380]

no point having anyone who isnt ADDING to the scene.. hes done 2/3 of 4/5 of nothing to date.. youre right keeep him

[youami 54]

Zomer gone, it was announced at the B&F night.

He was thanked along with Valenti and the other blokes retired/delisted.

[titan_uranus 25,020]

no point having anyone who isnt ADDING to the scene.. hes done 2/3 of 4/5 of nothing to date.. youre right keeep him

You're being too harsh. You can't be a list clogger if you're not on the list. Rookies are designed not to be the foundation of a club, not even to be good players. They're there to give fringe or project players a chance to crack into AFL football. Zomer didn't make it, like most rookies. The decision to delist him is correct. But we don't need to insult him.

[rpfc 28,502]

no point having anyone who isnt ADDING to the scene.. hes done 2/3 of 4/5 of nothing to date.. youre right keeep him

Ugh.

[beelzebub 23,380]

Ugh.

Keep in mind how many good players have actually served this club after starting out as Rookies.

Its there ( the Rookery ) for a reason. Its not just a waiting room for noname nqr's Its there to foster talent and given a opportunity to those who may otherwise may not have had a chance. Some seize this chance and run with it, others just arent up to the mark. So be it but why persist and prevent another who might make it ?

Yes..you can have cloggers even in the rookies...and he's one !! Much rather someone else get a shot as we know what Trent has ..and at this level its nada

Edited October 30, 2009 by belzebub59

[hoopla 418]

Yes..you can have cloggers even in the rookies...and he's one !! Much rather someone else get a shot as we know what Trent has ..and at this level its nada

Now the real "list clogger" is Hughes.............

Two years on the rookie list for very little except injury ...a year in the suburbs... back again last year...injured again. He's 23-24.

Surely he's being de-listed but we've heard nothing.

[Nasher 33,616]

Rookie listed players are not list cloggers, full stop. They're there because they are all, without exception, players with some kind of inherent flaw or quality that recruiters aren't going to spend the more valuable list spots and draft picks on them.

I'd only call players who are genuinely holding up the development of someone else a list clogger. I don't think Danny Hughes will make it, but it's hard to argue he is holding up the development of someone else.

[1858 285]

Now the real "list clogger" is Hughes.............

Two years on the rookie list for very little except injury ...a year in the suburbs... back again last year...injured again. He's 23-24.

Surely he's being de-listed but we've heard nothing.

I would have thought so.

On another note, each club has 2 extra rookie spots added don't they? I don't think this will have a profound influence on our decision making process but you never know.

[Hiram Cowfreak 78]

Looking at the list we have finalised today (on AFL.com) we will have 7 new faces in 2010:

Picks 1,2,11,18

Pick 34 or PSD#1

2 rookie picks (we have kept Spencer as a 3rd year rookie, Healy, McKenzie and Hughes (as a mature age rookie)

That's all folks

[Marty_9McGurk 0]

Remember I'm still on the contracted list, one more year, but my manager Paul Connors has stated that Melbourne are willing to offer myself a multi-million dollar contract over 3years, this meaning I'm not off to the Gold Coast.

[w00dy 146]

Looking at the list we have finalised today (on AFL.com) we will have 7 new faces in 2010:

Picks 1,2,11,18

Pick 34 or PSD#1

2 rookie picks (we have kept Spencer as a 3rd year rookie, Healy, McKenzie and Hughes (as a mature age rookie)

That's all folks

Could still be more... We could opt to delist a player after the national draft, if we want another selection in the PSD. So if there is a player we fancy at pick 34, we can still take them, then delist another player before the pre-season draft.

At least I think we can do that.

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

Remember I'm still on the contracted list, one more year, but my manager Paul Connors has stated that Melbourne are willing to offer myself a multi-million dollar contract over 3years, this meaning I'm not off to the Gold Coast.

If it was up to me I'd take you at #1. But I'm not BP. Sorry mate.

[todd 0]

Could still be more... We could opt to delist a player after the national draft, if we want another selection in the PSD. So if there is a player we fancy at pick 34, we can still take them, then delist another player before the pre-season draft.

At least I think we can do that.

Melbourne is able to use picks 1, 2 ,11, 18 34 and PSD 1 or Pick 50.

Melbourne is able to do this because Cameron Bruce, outside 38 players because he is now on the veterans list.

So therefore if we get rid of another player we are able to use all of the picks above

[Redleg 40,946]

Melbourne is able to use picks 1, 2 ,11, 18 34 and PSD 1 or Pick 50.

Melbourne is able to do this because Cameron Bruce, outside 38 players because he is now on the veterans list.

So therefore if we get rid of another player we are able to use all of the picks above

If you mean use all of the picks above as in PSD 1 and 50 you would have to delist 2 more or only 1 more if you used 1 of them. We currently have 5 picks.

[Big Kev 369]

Melbourne is able to use picks 1, 2 ,11, 18 34 and PSD 1 or Pick 50.

Melbourne is able to do this because Cameron Bruce, outside 38 players because he is now on the veterans list.

So therefore if we get rid of another player we are able to use all of the picks above

BUCKLEY, Simon - Delisted

MCLEAN, Brock traded to Carlton for pick 11

ROBERTSON, Russell - Retired (Maybe)

WHEATLEY, Paul - Retired

WHELAN, Matthew - Retired

VALENTI, Shane ® - Delisted

ZOMER, Trent ® - Not Retained (apparently)

Bartram, Cheney and McNamara are still uncontracted as far as I know.

[LittleMoeWithTheGimpyLeg 0]

BUCKLEY, Simon - Delisted

MCLEAN, Brock traded to Carlton for pick 11

ROBERTSON, Russell - Retired (Maybe)

WHEATLEY, Paul - Retired

WHELAN, Matthew - Retired

VALENTI, Shane ® - Delisted

ZOMER, Trent ® - Not Retained (apparently)

Bartram, Cheney and McNamara are still uncontracted as far as I know.

List as of yesterday..

MELBOURNE

1. Bail, Rohan

2. Bartram, Clint

3. Bate, Matthew

4. Bell, Daniel

5. Bennell, Jamie

6. Blease, Sam

7. Bruce, Cameron (veteran - outside list)

8. Cheney, Kyle

9. Davey, Aaron

10. Dunn, Lynden

11. Frawley, James

12. Garland, Colin

13. Green, Brad

14. Grimes, Jack

15. Jamar, Mark

16. Jetta, Neville

17. Johnson, Paul

18. Jones, Nathan

19. Jurrah, Liam

20. Maric, Addam

21. Martin, Stefan

22. McDonald, James (veteran - outside list)

23. McNamara, Tom

24. Meesen, John

25. Miller, Brad

26. Moloney, Brent

27. Morton, Cale

28. Newton, Michael

29. Petterd, Ricky

30. Rivers, Jared

31. Strauss, James

32. Sylvia, Colin

33. Warnock, Matthew

34. Watts, Jack

35. Wonaeamirri, Austin

36.

37.

38.

39.

40.

Rookie list

1. Healey, Rhys

2. Hughes, Daniel

3. McKenzie, Jordie

4. Spencer, Jake

5.

6.

ADDITIONS

Nil

DELETIONS

Retired: Russell Robertson (veteran - outside list), Paul Wheatley, Matthew Whelan

Exchange period: Brock McLean (Carlton)

Delisted: Simon Buckley, Shane Valenti (rookie), Trent Zomer (rookie)

[titan_uranus 25,020]

Melbourne is able to use picks 1, 2 ,11, 18 34 and PSD 1 or Pick 50.

Melbourne is able to do this because Cameron Bruce, outside 38 players because he is now on the veterans list.

So therefore if we get rid of another player we are able to use all of the picks above

This needs to be cleared up, because I am under the impression veterans don't give you an extra spot on the list. I thought the point of veterans was that their salary didn't come under the salary cap.

And according to the AFL website, Robertson was a veteran this year, meaning he was 'outside the list'. So whatever being a veteran actually means, it doesn't change anything, because Bruce takes Robbo's spot as a veteran.

We are currently able to use 1, 2, 11, 18 and one of 34 or PSD1.

Edit: OK, with some research, I can finalise this once and for all.

A club is allowed 38 players on its senior list, plus up to 6 veterans and up to 6 rookies. At http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tab...55/default.aspx our list goes until 40, which is due to us having 2 veterans. There are 5 gaps in that list, thus confirming that we need to delist another player if we want to use both pick 34 and PSD1.

Edited October 31, 2009 by titan_uranus

[hoopla 418]

This needs to be cleared up, because I am under the impression veterans don't give you an extra spot on the list. I thought the point of veterans was that their salary didn't come under the salary cap.

And according to the AFL website, Robertson was a veteran this year, meaning he was 'outside the list'. So whatever being a veteran actually means, it doesn't change anything, because Bruce takes Robbo's spot as a veteran.

We are currently able to use 1, 2, 11, 18 and one of 34 or PSD1.

Edit: OK, with some research, I can finalise this once and for all.

A club is allowed 38 players on its senior list, plus up to 6 veterans and up to 6 rookies. At http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tab...55/default.aspx our list goes until 40, which is due to us having 2 veterans. There are 5 gaps in that list, thus confirming that we need to delist another player if we want to use both pick 34 and PSD1.

The rule seems strange. Clubs with 6 long-serving players have 50 to choose from - 38 plus 6 vets plus 6 rookies. Clubs with young lists - no vets - only have 44 to choose from. We have 46. What is the justification for that?

I agree with your conclusion - we have to delist another player to use both 34 and the PSD.

With Hughes somehow being re-rookied we only have 2 rookie positions available. All up we are going to have just about the smallest player turnover in the competition ..... 7 (5+2). This would be most unusual for a wooden spooner

[1858 285]

The rule seems strange. Clubs with 6 long-serving players have 50 to choose from - 38 plus 6 vets plus 6 rookies. Clubs with young lists - no vets - only have 44 to choose from. We have 46. What is the justification for that?

I agree with your conclusion - we have to delist another player to use both 34 and the PSD.

With Hughes somehow being re-rookied we only have 2 rookie positions available. All up we are going to have just about the smallest player turnover in the competition ..... 7 (5+2). This would be most unusual for a wooden spooner

The Veterans list contains 2 players maximum.

For season 2009 our list breakdown was:

6 Rookie List | 38 senior List | 2 Veterans List Giving a logical total of 46 - now that each club has been granted 2 extra rookie spots this will change to give us a potential 48 in 2010.

A team can nominate more than 2 Veterans for salary issues however any over flow from 2 must take places on the regular senior list. Hence in the case of a club with 6 long serving (vetarans), 4 of them are nominated only and are on the regular senior list. Where some clubs have excess players is due to more rookies spaces such as with some interstate clubs in order to promote development ie Sydney and Brisbane.

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From afldraftinfo:

Veterans List

A player may be put on the veterans list if they are over the age of 30 and have played for 10 seasons at the club. A club may list upto 2 veterans – any additional nominated veterans will remain on the main list. When a player is moved to the veterans list he can’t be returned to the main list unless he is delisted and re-drafted by the club.

Nominated veterans (both on the main and veterans list) allow clubs salary cap relief to the amount of:

1 nominated veterans – 50% reduction each

2 nominated veterans - 50% reduction each

3 nominated veterans - 33% reduction each

4 nominated veterans – 25% reduction each

etc.