Brock McLean has left the building

[dee-luded 2,958]

it was not my uncle that said the rumour (who is the family member i have mentioned before)...

definately not from his way

It is a rumour and im wondering if anything has been heard from it

I dont believe it to have much truth atm either...

edit: in fact, I can reveal that it came from a bloke my Dad swims with who has no connection to the club in any way as far as I know...

the thing is with this rumour is that it has come out so early. things can change. we are more than a month from trade week.

in saying that, I think there is a chance this trade could work out in our favour because it might mean that we can get scully, trengove, best kpp at 11 and then trade 18 for shaunny burgs

'Nugget', not quite a month, but about 2 weeks.

Tue, Sept 29 – 2009 Draft Camp begins, AIS Canberra

Fri, Oct 2 – 2009 Draft Camp ends

Fri, Oct 2, 2pm – Father / son nominations lodged with AFL

Mon, Oct 5, 10am – Father / son bidding meeting (Docklands)

Mon, Oct 5 – 2009 AFL Exchange Period begins

Fri, Oct 9, 2pm – 2009 AFL Exchange Period ends

clubs talking trades will be rampant at the moment.

Edited September 22, 2009 by dee-luded

[e25 5]

There will be another 98 rumours like this one between now and the trade period and the drafts.

About 2% of them will have a credible basis.

haha nice :D

and I'd say about 6% of those 2% will have any chance of ever going through.

Yet 60% of the trades that DO go through will not be floated by one single person as a rumour.

[Carn dees 108]

Man i hope this isnt true, nothing against ya dafatcat but the fact that it was ur first post made me think you may have just posted to stir things up.

Personally atm i dont believe it as WJ said about 2% of talk is even slightly true or eventuates.

[JJJ 505]

Sylvia would be the other. But I think he will sign soon.

[Grand New Flag 3,226]

Like all trade rumours at this time of year this has a low probability of being true.

However, if we were to trade for another first round pick or KPF, Mclean would be of a very few MFC players who would

a: be tradable for a first round or developing KPF.

b: make sense to trade due to our over supply of tough inside midfielders.

With midfielders Scully and Trengove almost certainly on their way to our club the door is open to trade one of our tough inside midfielders either for a developing Key Position Forward or draft pick to get a KPF. Personally I think this is something our FD would try for, but this does not mean it would be successful in this endeavour and this is only an educated guess on what the MFC might do based on my evaluation on the current strengths and weaknesses of our list.

Unlike many on this site I don’t pretend “knowledge” to try and give credit to my educated guesses or personal beliefs.

Edited September 22, 2009 by Grand New Flag

[Doggo 32]

I'd take pick 11 for McLean for sure.

[frawley for captain 0]

if this does indeed happen and MFC trade for more first rounds picks, i think it will effect who we take a pick 2. Imagine Scully and maybe Rohan at pick 1 and 2 then if we have say pick 11 we could easily get Talia or maybe even Butcher if he slides that far, as some people are saying may very well happen.

At first i hated the idea of losing Brocky but the more i think about it, the better it sounds. Jones and Moloney are our best clearence players anyway and having Scully, Blease, Strauss, Davey, Morton, Bennell, Grimes, Sylvia and one of Rohan/Trengove/Martin feeding of their work at the bottom of packs would be amazing.

Could anyone really fit Mclean, Jones and Moloney into the same team? I don't think so.

[Spaghetti 264]

haha nice :D

and I'd say about 6% of those 2% will have any chance of ever going through.

Yet 60% of the trades that DO go through will not be floated by one single person as a rumour.

73% of statistics are made up though.

[two sheds jackson 3]

I don't think McLean is going to be a star either, but if what everyone is saying about this years draft is true, with the quality dropping off dramatically after the first handful of picks, then it's speculative at best whether we'll pick up a better player than McLean at pick 11.

At his best, I rate McLean ahead of Jones and Moloney, and consider him our best clearance player. I would prefer to trade either one of those two over McLean, particularly Jones, as I actually think he has as much currency at the trade table as McLean, possibly more given he is younger, has no real history with injury, and arguably has more upside (I obviously don't think so, or I'd prefer Jones). I actually agree that we have too many sluggish, in-and-under types, and I'd trade any one of these three for the right deal. But by taking pick 11 in a heavily compromised draft for someone who -for all his flaws and limitations- is still a very handy player, I just think we'd be taking a needless risk where the chances of losing out are probably better than the chances of breaking even.

Edited September 22, 2009 by two sheds jackson

[Hiram Cowfreak 75]

If we could trade McLean and get Jetta out of it, I'm all for it. Brock gets caught with the ball too much, Jetta will never suffer the same problem

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

2003 will possibly go down as one of the worst drafts ever. Go and check out the top 20 and see how many spuds there are.

2003 Draft

Not the strongest draft, but there are 5 of them playing in the GF this year, and another who has a brownlow to his name. That can't be called a terrible year.

Do you believe that this year is better?

[e25 5]

And we should trade Frawley cos we could get about pick 7 for him and then take Talia who should be a good backman.

And we could probably trade Watts for pick 3 cos then we could get Butcher too, and he could be a decent forward.

AND we should trade Jones for pick 14 cos then we could get Gysberts or Koby Stevens cos they're both good clearance players.

....

[Mondê 525]

Some people are being way too harsh on McLean. We all know he had a limited pre-season and yet a lot of people are still tearing him to shreds on here. Not 12 months ago he was a shoe-in to replace Macca as our next skipper. Mark my words when I say with a full pre-season under his belt he will be silencing his critics in 2010.

[Rogue 585]

There will be another 99 rumours like this one between now and the trade period and the drafts.

About 2% of them will have a credible basis.

...and 99% of those won't eventuate when it comes to trade week.

Not the strongest draft, but there are 5 of them playing in the GF this year, and another who has a brownlow to his name. That can't be called a terrible year.

Do you believe that this year is better?

Terrible year.

This year might be pretty poor because 1/3 of the pool has been eliminated due to the AFL's change to the min age restrictions.

I would do this trade tomorrow!!!! Brocks best is behind him, and he is becoming very injury prone.

This trade could go either way, bite us on the arse or we are laughing in 3 years when we recruit another Grimes with pick 11

First, McLean's best is unlikely to be behind him.

Second, pick 11 isn't as good as it'd normally be given the shallow pool to choose from.

[Demon Head 250]

Dont worry i wont post again.

Thanks for doing us all a favour. Whenever there's a story floating around that can't be substantiated as coming from a reputable source then it has to be regarded as nothing more than a rumour until such time as some proof of its truth can be provided. The views of people who register on a site one day and post solely on one issue should also be treated with scepticism especially when they start posting during the school holidays.

Cheers dafatcat and I hope you enjoy your time posting on Bigfooty and Tanking Carlton.

[The Big Ticket 94]

Well I could probably handle McLean leaving...Sylvia on the other hand...

There's no way I could sit back and watch Col become a star at another club, that would be ...I don't even want to think about it.

[Demon Disciple 10,935]

He better bloody not go anywhere (Col), i just got his number put on my guernsey. Go Col you champ!!!

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

it's speculative at best whether we'll pick up a better player than McLean at pick 11.

Exactly. If it's as bad as 'landers are saying, that would be Sylvia and McLean gone, and we end up with 1,2,11 and perhaps something like 6 or 7... Which is 4 inside the top 11. In a skinny draft. On one hand, you'd prefer it to be the 2008 draft this happened, but then if it WASN'T skinny... clubs wouldn't be trading first round picks.

Do you believe that this year is better?

Again. Could end up being the weakest ever. Where would Scully have gone in 2008? After Rich? Before Vickery? Late first round? Trengove... Perhaps around where Blease is? Maybe even second round?

...and 99% of those won't eventuate when it comes to trade week.

My concern would be that if there WAS a year where all the rumours come out and many more than usual turn out to be true, THIS would be the year.

It's a daring move. Not only that, but it's a move that loses us a player who's verging on his prime. We select a tall and 2 mids... or if the second "star" trade goes through maybe 2 mids and a KP, and a ruckman...

On one hand, it smells like a bit of a Hawks trade. Get rid of Hay and Rawlings safe in the knowledge neither will do anything in their future. Trade Mclean and Sylvia, safe on the knowledge both players' bodies will never let them get any better than they are.. If THIS is the case, it doesn't get much better than that.

If it works out the other way, we get our 3rd and 4th picks turn out to be the equivalent of picks in the twenties in a strong draft. Not all will be Jack Grimes/Petterd types.

Even if it's a brilliant move, it sets our return to finals back. Even if all the players taken between '07 and '09 are rippers, it means the EARLIEST we come good is 2012.

With that in mind, I can't see the club going for this, unless they plan to on-trade them for a certain player, or perhaps a pick between 3-5 for a Morabito/Butcher.

All in all, I think this poster smells like a rambunctious, revenge mongerer from an opposition club. Perhaps it's Old Xavs getting on here just to [censored] off MFC supporters for getting more out of 2009 than his club did? Who knows. Who cares?

We won't know until the end of the last trade day. In fact we may hear next to nothing about trades until they're all done.

[JACKATTACK 17]

Apart fom not believing the rumour I am astonished that people would be prepared to do a straight swap for pick 11.

[Steamin Demon 370]

This is no rumor, this is a fact. Brock will not be at the Dees next year. One more star player is about to walk out the door with him.

Big words, I will start sharpening the axe now. I hope your right for your sake.

[Hannabal 4]

Could end up being the weakest ever. Where would Scully have gone in 2008? After Rich? Before Vickery? Late first round? Trengove... Perhaps around where Blease is? Maybe even second round?

What ?

Scully would have been top 3 this year. Rich slid because recruiters knew that he struggled with hard tags, lacked pace and had poor endurance. Scully on the other hand has shown that by comparison he doesn't struggle in the same regard. Most people in footy would have known that Rich would have performed roughly at the level he has this year, it's his upside from here that raises doubts. He'll be a fine 200 game player, but Scully will have a better career than Rich. Rich had the benefit of other teams sitting on Black and Power, but in time they'll sit on him. I reckon he'll struggle. Scully would have also been ranked ahead of Hill and Hartlett.

In Adelaide the football commentators say that Trengove's SANFL career shades Bryce Gibbs at the corresponding stage. Hartlett went at pick 4 and Trengove is better.

Also, this draft may well be thin outside the top 8, or so, but it can only be judged 4-5 years down the track. I'll back our recruiters if they see value anywhere in the first dozen.

McLean, McDonald, Jones, and Moloney are too similar. Obviously McDonald is only around for one more year, but I'd definately be trying to trade one of the other 3. It just makes sense, especially with Grimes, Scully and Sylvia playing more midfield next year. We have the worst midfield in the league, yet some supporters want to retain average one paced players.

[JACKATTACK 17]

Pick 11 over the last few years:

2008 Steele Sidebottom

2007 Patrick Veszpremi

2006 Andrejs Everitt

2005 Shaun Higgins

2004 Adam Thomson

2003 Beau Waters

2002 Jason Winderlich

2001 Richard Cole

2000 Trent Sporn

1999 Darren Glass

1998 Lenny Hayes

1997 Jason Saddington

1996 Brent Grgic

1995 Donald Cockatoo-Collins

1994 Damien Ryan

1993 Brad Johnson

1992 Jonathon Robran

1991 Leigh Willison

1990 Danny Sexton

1989 Darren Smith

1988 Mark Bayliss

1987 Tim McNeil

1986 Jason Taylor

I'd keep Brock.

[Allen Jakovich 516]

Grgic, lol.

Is it possible we have some disenfranchised players following the tanking debacle this year?

[JACKATTACK 17]

Grgic, lol.

Is it possible we have some disenfranchised players following the tanking debacle this year?

Maybe, but If Melbourne was seeking to trade Brock there would certainly be disenfranchised players.

[Guest straussski]

Pick 11 over the last few years:

2008 Steele Sidebottom

2007 Patrick Veszpremi

2006 Andrejs Everitt

2005 Shaun Higgins

2004 Adam Thomson

2003 Beau Waters

2002 Jason Winderlich

2001 Richard Cole

2000 Trent Sporn

1999 Darren Glass

1998 Lenny Hayes

1997 Jason Saddington

1996 Brent Grgic

1995 Donald Cockatoo-Collins

1994 Damien Ryan

1993 Brad Johnson

1992 Jonathon Robran

1991 Leigh Willison

1990 Danny Sexton

1989 Darren Smith

1988 Mark Bayliss

1987 Tim McNeil

1986 Jason Taylor

I'd keep Brock.

look at that...some great players have come from pick 11 all of wich are better and always will be better then brock mclean...sure there is a big chance that if we get pick 11 it wont turn out to be a lenny hayes but you never no and brock mclean aint gonna turn out to be a lenny hayes