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Problem is that your account was used either by your wife or yourself to publish information that is "knowingly false or misleading" (a breach of the COC) and given your prior record, I think it might be appropriate to give you and your wife a chance to kiss and make up and perhaps even take up CBDees' suggestion.See you in a week's time. Cheers

I hope that you guys aren't planning on breeding!

And that's just for crimes against the English language.

I don't think I've ever read such rot on Demonland. This idea is as old as the hills and was part and parcel of the usual fund raising for years. TBH I didn't realise it had been dropped. It's pretty simple really. The Club is merely offering those that want to a chance to contribute. If you don't like it don't do it. But getting offended by it is dumb. Everyone supports in the way that suits them. There is no obligation, we are not paying taxes, there is no penalty for not participating so if you don't like it just ignore it. But all this rot? Give me a break.

Everyone is still out on the turps celebrating last Thursdays Intraclub win.

May have missed this episode old mate. Edit: Can't get pic to load Me fail computers.. that's possible.

I asked my 2nd wife if she would like to celebrate a very major milestone anniversary by going to the Commencement dinner. %$#&&^%$@*&%$$!^%&. I guess I'm not going. This is going to cost me big big time. Why don't I just shut the F \$$k up.

And that's why she's your ex right?

I know history recommends caution and even pessimism in making predictions about Melbourne's 2014 chances, but there is something stirring that makes me feel that the Demons will be this year's bolter. So my prediction is we'll win rd 1 and finish the 2014 season in the 8! I think we have the perfect storm of hunger, experience and talented youth, favourable draw, exceptional coach and several stars about to bloom (Watts, Howe, Trengove) and re-bloom (Frawley, Clark, Jones).

mate I was just about to post that exact same thing

Harris's injury issues have been well documented, I reckon this summer's heavy campaign has caught up with him. Needs a spell.

Red and blue.

I think it's Jeremy howe, playing on a 4th defender, he is going to be capable of kicking multiple goals in not very long

She's nuts!

This thread truly amazes me. The club is trying to raise money. We are far behind most clubs in the finance department. It is not compulsory. Put your hand in your pocket or don't as they case may be. End of story IMO.

They are trying to 'milk it' ? You seem to have forgotten that our club is in danger of extinction and sends out teams every week that have to deal with a heavily underfunded footy department. Also we are getting closer and closer to the salary cap being irrelevant which means if you are a poor club you are totally cooked. We need every cent we can get our miserable hands on. If it's victories you want you better believe the importance of the role of $$$$. PS nobody is forcing you to do anything, it's just a fundraiser aimed at those who give enough of a stuff about the club to cough up some more dough, o an amount of their choosing. Fir dinkum this attitude of 'the club owes me' that some people have is downright absurd. We are supposed to be SUPPORTers.

I don't buy newspapers anymore although I miss the quiet 2 hours on Saturday morning with a coffee reading the paper from front to back. I don't subscribe to any online newspapers. 3 reasons why: 1) The standard of most writing, grammar, expression and general phrasing has slipped so far it is now pitched at 16 year old girls. Most written journalism is magazine/soundbyte in style. 2) Many journos now report rumour because they can't be bothered investigating sources. 3) Many journalists prefer their own fame to being silent middle men or conduits for public information. The above three reasons scream the loudest from sports journalists, and in particular AFL people like Barrett, Wilson and co. I have to tolerate sports journalism or I get no news at all but I just read results game info and stats. The rest of it is fairy-floss sugary carp.

Round 1 predictions: 1) About 15 family and freinds coming to this game (all Demons & Saints fans) 2) Smuggle some bourbon in rather than pay $9 for midstrength 3) Dees win by 5 goals 4) Demons fans stomping the bottom level of Etihad creating a wall of sound 5) Belt out a grand old flag after the game a couple times , followed by a "Roooooooooooos" as he walks around the boundary line. 6) Scarf goes out the car 7) Grand Old Flag played most of the way home 8) Switch to Finey for some post match 9) Get home, feet up, night cap and watch the replay with the lovely. 10) Well if the moods right....

I get sick of journalists dumping on the Dees. In Jake Niall's article Damaged Goods, he makes the point that Neil Daniher 'even managed to lift the dismal dees' into the finals in the 90's. I emailed him, pointing out that Melbourne, far from being dismal, had featured in six of the preceding ten final series, including three prelims and a grand final. Our club had quite a successful record in the AFL until the Daniher demise in the mid 2000s and Daniher was a good coach although he did fail to renew the list towards the end of his tenure.

I don't think it's done for any tactical benefit, I think it's done just out of respect for the injured player and for the professionals treating him. All we know so far is Dawes had some ice on a calf after the practice match. It could be that he tore the calf, or a small strain or no strain at all just tightness. Likely that means getting a scan which takes time, then if there isn't a tear seeing if it settles and so on I'm not a physio I don't know. Once the club get a proper diagnosis and understand how long things will take to get better they have been reasonable publicly stating the injury and time frame. Things went a bit quiet on Clark with his hammy I'll give you that much but at the moment he truly is indefinite. If Dawes doesn't play Friday then I would expect a public statement at some stage detailing something with the prognosis of the injury. I'm not sure we need NFL style injury updates after every training with players listed as doubtful, questionable or probably at all times. Especially in preseason at least.

Just trying to help OD. Thought it might get you over your recent over your recent depression .

Thank you for reminding me bbo. I had forgotten about this wonder of the AFL

As usual Moon you show your ignorance. ... bal would have been more acceptable..

Don't worry OD. Shannon Byrnes will tear it up as a small forward and kick us to victory.

Good lord the softness on this site. One rule for one set, one for another. How about banning the incessant infighting and thread derailing. Bring on the footy for all our sakes.

Dawes & Hogan will both play at least some of the game.

He did not say he had seen them mjt I have seen two but to be honest the memories are now not great. Half a century is sure a long time between drinks. Doubt I will see no.13 but to see more wins than losses would be very nice over the next few years.

Gutsy move P-man, best of luck, you will have plenty rooting for you. Reckon you will get the chocolates.

Me fail English... That unpossible.

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Surely you are joking!

This makes more sense than most things I read on Demonland!

And what a few on here are saying is that they are frustrated there is another fundraising inititative aimed at a tapped resource. Nothing more.

The Qantas version of Mark Neeld. Talks tough, makes poor decisions, ruins morale and is probably out of his depth

I don't think too many here are getting offended, but more sharing opinions a discussing the idea. You sound like the one getting offended.

Then we must have had 30 000 optimists in 2013 mono .

It is now fifty years since the last flag for all but about a dozen years of that time we have been the easy beats of the league. Also a fair percentage of that time our administrations could not beat time with a stick. We have been mostly mired in a different era. While not permanent it has been high percentage of half a century. Not a lot to be proud of over fifty years IMO.

Niall: "Yes, Northey did well at the Dees, you're right (and Balme had them fourth in 1994), but I reckon the club was - relative to the competition - in better shape than when ND took over, when it was on the bottom and had major issues with finances, resources, facilities and disunity. The CEO job was a revolving door - he had several. Implicitly, the point is that they haven't fared so well since ND, who did more than enough to get another job (eg Essendon). ND seemed to help hold the Dees together." Jake didn't really acknowledge my complaint, that he casting Melbourne as "dismal" going back to the 90's, which just isn't the case. I thanked him for his response.

As far as I'm concerned this is a Cam Schwab sort of scheme. No sooner do we get a whiff of hope around the club than they try to milk it. I've kicked in for memberships for long enough - I'm owed some victories, not this rubbish.

If there was a ladder for late 80's, 90's and up until 2005 we would've been quite good. We had our moments in the 90's where things went wrong but those were the days that if you had some talent on your list and ability to coach things could turn around pretty quickly. The last few years with the introduction of GWS and GC and the monumental increase in footy department spending at a time where a number of clubs including us still aren't financially secure has made it hard to turn things around. I know he left in pretty bad circumstances but Bailey with proper sports science, training, recruiting and coaching budgets very well could've made it as I coach I believe. If he succeeded then there would've been cause for the 'even made it at the dismal dees' line. If Roos turns this club around it will be a huge testament to his ability as a coach. But it will also likely mean Peter Jackson has done a fantastic job as CEO, Todd Viney in list management, Jason Taylor in recruiting and Dave Misson in sports science. The point about Daniher not getting another senior gig is interesting but I would've thought after nearly a decade coaching the Dees he would've been happy with the West Coast job for a time and then probably felt once he settled in to that job there wasn't much point going for another ride on the coaching bandwagon. I do think Roos should be considering Brett Ratten for the senior assistant and successor job. And Voss or Matty Knights could be worth an interview at least if they had strong interest. But Ratten was great as our midfield coach. And took a limited Carlton team from a mess to the 8 by developing young talent. Plus I think the recruiters he had working for him were pretty average besides from getting the number 1 picks somewhat right. If Ratten had a weakness it might have been his tactical knowledge but that would be improved by working under Clarkson and I think Ratten would be receptive to Roos' philosophies on defensive play, stoppages and ball control.

The only remedy for this is to re-establish our success in the 1990s and early 2000's. They wrote the same stuff when Neil Balm was sacked in 1998, but we made the finals in 1999 and the grand in 2000. No-one called us the dismal Dees then, except in as much as we were uncompetive against Sheedy's "greatest Essendon side" in the Grand. Success will shut this talk up right away. I must say the publicity we have got with the arrival of Roos and our good first up showing against Richmond has been almost universally positive. I get the impression much of the football community would like to see us do well. It is almost as though many opposition supporters from Melbourne clubs have us as their "second team", replacing the Swans as it might have been ten years ago. Even Barrett and Wilson have been very quiet about our first outing against the Tiges. I think Mcguie's attitude is more insidious. He makes very positive noises about what a wonderful Club Melbourne is, but opposes vociferously behind closed doors any move by the AFL on equalization and aid to us to re-establish ourselves from the AFL post the Neeld disaster. He in my view is far more dangerous. Fortunately we have an equally "tough nut" in Peter Jackson so I have no doubt we will survive and prosper again in the medium term.

While you're right that the gist of the article is that coaches quickly get written off after being seen to have 'failed' as senior coach, bush demon's point is that Jake Niall talks up ND's achievement as if it's so amazing because he was coaching at the 'dismal dees' - 'that's right folks - he managed that record at MELBOURNE'. However, if we made finals in 6/10 years before ND's arrival, as bush demon asserts, then we were hardly dismal at that stage. As for the article's main point, I think Niall's final line sums it up: 'AFL clubs worry too much about whether they can ''sell'' a coach, and they don't think they can sell anyone without the sheen of success'. It's why someone like Knights, despite undoubtedly being a better Coach in a second incarnation, is unlikely to ever get a crack at a senior gig again. It's much easier for a Board to either go for an untested coach or someone with proven success, rather than risk explaining why you've gone for someone who was seen as a failure.

Y = yes E= entirely P= possible Let's dream OD!

A couple of years ago the Bluey Truscott night coincided with an AFL Preliminary Final also involving Collingwood.Fortunately, in this day of AFL iPhone apps it's possible to attend the commencement dinner, keep up with the evenings AFL activities and watch the game AND be rude and unsociable to the others at your table - all at the same time!

Oh please. Deledio held him after the mark. Dunn gave him a little nudge to let go. Cry baby Deledio had a whinge to the umpire who wanted nothing of it. Let's not make the game any softer. Dunn's dumbest piece of play was a silly evasive move and chip kick to Nicholson attempting to go over Martin that led to a bad turnover. The rest of the time he avoid Dunn-isms.

Someone who surprised me from that game was Dunn, I thought he played with a lot of maturity which is something I'd never expect from him.

The secret to Trengove's success will be elite endurance and confidence. When you don't have the characteristics you've mentioned, but you have good skills, make good decisions, have a strong body and are a very good mark for your size you need elite endurance. Trengove has been compared to Bartel 100 times before and it's a good comparison. Run all day, good positioning and standing up when it's counted. Other than marking, Bartel isn't elite in any one facet of the game. But as a package he's been fantastic. With belief, Trengove can become a terrific all-round midfielder.

You can worry about Vince's longevity in the game or his nightlife, but his resume goes beyond that one game. Trengove is marked harshly, but you doing the same to Vince isn't winning the argument. And Vince became our 2nd best mid the day he was traded. Trengove has a long way to go to get near Bernie.

It has only been one game and you have Bernie Vince in our top two midfielders...lol... Funny that... Suppose people only really see, what they want to see... Ask yourself this.... If Cross or Viney or Toumpas pulled out the numbers that Trengove did? What would you be saying? Would you be excited? Trengove has been far better for us, then he gets credit for.... His on field performances slip due to the pressure of captaincy, bad instructions, poor game plan, injuries and no support on or off field... Yet on here, the boots keep kicking into him.... When Scully left us for millions, it was Trengove who committed for four years... Then some [censored] almost ruins his career, by the placing the whole club on his shoulders and making him the youngest captain ever!!! WTF!!! He's hardly worked out his own game and he's given the captaincy... the club used him as there show piece, just like they did with Watts... The club built up unreasonable expectation and almost destroyed him... Then on top of that, he stands accused of using bloody AOD cream!!! Are you kidding me!! Farout!! Trengove has given us and the club far more then we have given him... When he is out of contract, the other clubs will come knocking and I wont blame him if he leaves..... after what he has been through, i wouldn't blame him if he left the game all together...

Disagree, I'd like to see us go as close to full strength as possible against Geelong and Hawthorn. Practice playing the way Roos wants us to play. I don't see any reason to deliberately go into round 1 with a completely underdone forward line. We have winnable games early in the season, we need to be as well drilled as possible early to take advantage of that. We only have 2 more games against opposition before the season starts.