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It's been a very hard few days, and it's been very hard to digest. How on earth, a club coming from several poor seasons, apparently a belter of an upbeat pre-season in preparation for Round One, with a 'next to no-injury list', can produce such a performance on the introduction to a new season on it's home ground is just bewildering in the extreme - despite a new look line-up. What is worrying is the coach coming out after the game with his explanation on matters against Port Adelaide. Alarming when he says he has "absolutely no idea" what happened and "didn't see it coming". Asked about the difference in training standards from 12 months ago, he said it was "unrecognisable". He concedes they just have to "stick at it" and "keep at it", well, I'm kind of hoping that he'll think outside the square and try anything this week that will make the players play for him. Because he went on to say, “What we spoke about at three quarter time was unrecognisable when the [final] quarter started,” - that in itself is very alarming, but not as alarming as the following comment.... Neeld said some home truths were spoken immediately after the match. “The players were really honest with each other and honest with me,” he said. A few home truths for the coach perhaps?? Here's a few home truths from me: - *When a debutant is leading the charge in the dressing room post match and telling some home truths, it really hits home with where our club is at and secondly, what he's about. *Shave those beards off and look like footballers, pi55 off any other side-track games the players have going and get them to focus on the matter at hand in helping resurrecting this football club. If it improves things by 3% in being switched on, I'll frick'n take it. *We were smashed early on in the midfield and clearances and it didn't let up throughout the day. I recall the figures during the second being 11-3 or 11-2 in clearances Port's way. We already know our midfield is inferior, but FGS, bloody well address it. or at least get to a 50/50 split on our home deck. I am sick to death with having to vent and put up with [censored]! And I know the majority of who read this are as well. It should be a privilege to play and coach for the Red & Blue, on the G. Clearly not every stone has been turned to ensure the team plays to their best, or the coach/coaches - coach to their best. We all know that failing to plan, is planning to fail! SO do your homework, and f**king well do it to your best! Each and every week! Because it certainly isn't good enough to date and it hasn't been good enough since 2006. That game was as significant a loss as the massive 2008 Round one loss to Hawthorn under Bailey. That's how bad it was. And it probably hurts more given Port's 5 wins last year and our recent minor win over them at Renmark. 7 months to prepare and serve up that crap, particularly after half time, given what the club has already been through, is just the pitts. If the coach and team somehow turn it around and get 4 points against Essendon it will be a slap in the face to the supporters, by showing that results can be achieved when you put in effort. And it will be a lesson to the club of how to prepare each and every week in getting the players mindset right. Ref: http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2013-04-01/we-didnt-see-that-coming-neeld

Was going to start a new thread but didn't want to clog up the boards as this is more of the same but has been building in me since last season. Our players play like badly programmed robots. I don't know if this is Mark Neeld's doing, but our players play without flair, fun or excitement. They seem to simply go through the motions of trying to tick the boxes of a new game plan without heart or passion. Players mindlessly guard space - unflinching when an opposition player moves into it. Players man the mark disinterested. Players approach packs and don't expect teammates to win the footy. Players do not spread and push forward when their mates win the footy. There is a souless element to Melbourne in the past 45 rounds that I don't think I've seen before. Not only is the game plan god awful to watch but the players just don't look like they belong. Confidence has been shattered and, again, I'm not sure if this is the coaches doing. Melbourne players look like they are over-coached. They play re-actively to situations - all instinct has been sucked out of our players. Rather than attack a contest, our players seem to spend their time thinking about what they should have been doing or what they had to do next. Players are more likely to run to the bench to maintain rotations than tackle a nearby player. Robots have little-no care for those around them. That's how Melbourne players look. They don't shepherd, they don't work hard for their mates to create space or cover opposition players. When it's their turn to go, so often it's a limp, half-hearted approach that doesn't appear AFL standard. Bring back the flair, bring back the fun. I don't believe these two elements are mutually exclusive from hard-nosed, attacking teams. I think it's an important ingredient for teams that love winning, love the feeling of kicking a goal and feel the reward for hard work. At the moment it just seems like Neeld is very critical of any player who goes outside of the "plan" - possibly so much so that players are afraid to just play the game. I was talking to someone last night after the game who was saying that basically all of our players are no good. It's not true. And even if it were, you don't have to be a good player to run hard and work for your mates. Footy is a simple game sometimes. Run harder than your opposition, tackle harder than your opposition and hit some bloody targets. I think the MFC footy people over analyse the game to disgusting degrees, let the boys play!

Just saw this on Facebook, thought some of you might enjoy it, I did. http://beingademonsfan.tumblr.com

It has been quick. 22 touches, 16 contested possessions, a goal, and he also apparently spoke to the players after the loss. With all that is going wrong I just didn't want the ineptitude of others to completely drown out a great debut from the future of the club.

I am reading post after post of "sack Neeld, McLardy, Schwab, the Board, everyone". Do the people posting this stuff actually love our club? I assume you all do, because you are spending time venting your frustration here. What some people are failing to recognise is that by sacking all these people, our Club won't exist. Do you actually want that? I know I don't. I appreciate we are at one of the lowest points in memory, but I still love our Club, and I still want to go to the footy next week. I'm as frustrated as anyone on here, and Sunday was downright pathetic, disgusting, unacceptable, and all of the other words that have been used. But the answer is not to sack everyone. It doesn't achieve anything - the last 7 years should have taught you that. Sacking Daniher got us nowhere. Sacking Bailey got us nowhere. Sacking Neeld won't help either. Neither will sacking McLardy. Now more than ever the Club needs unity and stability on the inside. Sacking people will only make it worse (and yes, it can get worse). I can tell you exactly what happened on Sunday. An attitude problem. The entire Club was guilty of believing their own crap. "We've had a fantastic pre-season". "We're setting elite standards on the track". "The training & rehab programs are unrecognisable to last year". "The wheel turns quickly". Etc. Etc. That may all be so, but what all the players and coaching staff seemed to forget was that you still have to work hard and play the game to get a result. It seemed as if everyone rocked up to the ground thinking "We're so much better than last year, we'll cruise to a win today". I am hoping that it was just a massive reality check for them all. Just because you set high standards in training, and you train really well, doesn't mean everything will "just click" on game day. Work hard on game day, and maybe you will see some results. Don't turn up and expect things to happen, because as we saw on Sunday, thats crap. There may be many problems after Round 1, but sacking people is not going to fix the attitude problem that we saw on Sunday. I'm rambling now - my two cents worth anyway. Agree with me or don't!

Good job, Captain Hindsight.

Here you go again. Been waiting for me to bob up so you can have another personal attack.I think I'm switched on enough to know what I can and can't write re the club. How about you do yourself a favour and grow up simpleton. You have no idea what I'm even going to say let alone what my position in the club was, trust never came into it. It has nothing to do with things not working out to my liking and dropping a bombshell, it has more to do with the fact I've done everything I possibly could for this club, in my own time, now it's time to be involved with family. You would have to be one of the dumbest posters on this site. Ask yourself, have you exhausted all of your spare time to the club...

I will go to the game next week. I won’t judge those who don’t. It has been a hard a decision for me. When my wife told me today that it wasn’t worth it, she was probably correct. When she said that I had been in a bad mood all weekend, she was right. Essendon will in all likelihood pound us. F^!k Essendon. The savaging from the media has been thoroughly deserved. F^!k the media. I was at the Western Oval in Round 22, 1987 when we beat Footscray. I remember it vividly. I was 8 years old. Couldn’t tell you what else happened when I was 8. The passion and the yearning in the Melbourne supporters at the ground was palpable. Their attention was torn between the action on the field and the scores from the Hawthorn-Geelong game coming through transistor radios. Their yearning was fed by 22 years without finals football. 22 years. Some of those supporters would have followed the team for all of those years. Some of them would have turned up in the rain in the mid 70s, to watch a team that hadn’t had a hope for a decade and wouldn’t have a hope for another one still. I remember what that win felt like for me, and I didn’t even understand. Imagine what it felt like for them. When success comes around again, I want to be one of them... Those happy few. We’ve now had 6 years without finals. I will be there on Saturday night.

I actually did call them and they put me straight though to Mark Neeld. We had a 30 minute chat about accountability and competitiveness, but we also went over some ideas I had for a rolling press and stoppage structures. He told me he was going to implement some of my ideas. He them put me though to Schwabby and we went over some financial stuff before I gave him a compliment sandwich (good on finances, concerned about his effect on culture and on the football department, good laying low when the shite hits the fan). He took it all well. And now you understand why I vent on D'Land, because the paid professionals pay other professionals to keep my opinion away from them so they can do their job. But thanks for trying to make my anger feel pointless. It's certainly a unique approach to people's disappointment. You could be a life coach.

Regardless of the connection we think he may have with the players, Neeld deserves at least the entire season. It would be ridiculously stupid to axe him midway and set the club back even further. Continuity and momentum need time to build and Neeld deserves at least that.

HG, Please ignore those that just want to read that we have training up to an elite level and just need to get some more games into the players and then we'll be good. I for one am really looking forward to some insight from you mate. I've loved this club for 30 years, given a lot of money and stood by them while family members dropped off. This is more important than upsetting a few that wont be at the club in a few years anyway. As a genuine supporter of the club with a long term perspective I implore you to tell what you saw. Something is very wrong at the club that you clearly care deeply for. You can help be being honest about what you experienced. Thanks mate (and thanks for what you've done for the club)

OK. I didn't want to go in to it as it may seem as if I'm blowing my own trumpet but I will on the basis that all I want to do is explain my point. Over the last 5 or 6 years I've put a fair bit of money in to the club, but if I walked in to a room where all the board members and the senior administration staff were, not one of them would even know who I was. I've attended two breakfasts where CS was in attendance and have sat round a small table talking to him, both times on the following weekend he has walked past me without any shred of recognition. I was contacted by CC last year and asked if I wanted to attend a game as a guest in the long room at an away match, I didn't want to go but he convinced me too. He said he had a list of all the donations I'd made to the club and he would make a point of looking me up at the game and having a chat to se if there was anything the club could do for me; he didn't even bother speaking to me. CS was there and he was more interested in schmoozing up to the big wigs on the MCC board than mixing with the people that actually support the club; I don't think he went to speak with anyone on any table except the head table. I was sitting next to one of the club board members and we had a talk for about an hour or more, the following week at the foundation heroes function he walked past me as if i didn't exist. After the FH function the only contact I got from the club was an email with an invoice attached. There have been other times when this has happened and I think I've made my point so i won't document them, but I will say that the club treats their benefactors (my wife uses the term fool) appalingly. I was talking to a former member of the Woodsmen today and he said that if you put in any money at Collingwood Eddie McGuire would look you up personally and shake your hand and thank you. I'm not looking for anything from the club but I do expect at least a thanks and a word or two now and then. I think that anyone that met me would understand I don't exactly meld in with the crowd and it's not because I'm flamboyant just that I'm 6'2" with a head of white hair, so i find it hard to understand why they seem to forget me all the time. btw I never heard back from CC even though he said he would keep in touch.

Remember when Colin Garland manned up on Buddy Franklin and beat him? I do. Seems like it was in another universe, though.

How could Neeld have thought we were travelling well during the pre-season? Can someone answer me that? I saw nothing to get excited about whatsoever save for a couple of Hulk Hogan marks and goals. That was it. We got beaten by every side we played, exposed in the midfield and led a merry dance for periods of quarters in defence. Neeld is delusional and now just another not-to-be-believed spin-king. I have no faith in him.

Among the myriad of things that went wrong on Sunday, is there any chance Mark Jamar might actually time his leap to meet the ball, instead of going early, going late, or just making contact with the opposing ruckman. Any chance at all that he might actually direct a hit out to a midfielder. I don't think we won a single centre clearance the whole game. We're on the back fot every time.What the hell is the set-up in there ?

I get that we will miss targets, and spill marks because some players are not up to standard. I get that some of our kids will fail under physical and mental pressure often when the heat is on. I get that our midfield is at least 2 years away from being able to even compete with even the middle tier mids. I even put up with losing most one on one contests. I don't get our failure to run...both ways. It is an absolute fundamental. If you can't or don't make the contest you are screwed. If the fitness levels have been addressed and the game plan is solid and I believe that it is the energy and resources of the club need to go into why we have a football team that has a losing psyche. Failing to run is a sure sign that the belief and faith within the group is low. The issue of failing to run was an issue through 2012. A lack of "fitness" seemed to be the reason that the educated gave for this. Perhaps fitness was part of it, but it appears that there are other issues which may be less tangible. Whatever it is it needs addressing now before the club enters an abyss from which it cannot escape.

Id like to know the credentials of some of the posters on here. People calling for Neelds head know nothing about the game. He inherited a list full of pea heart soft [censored] who were given special treatment by our former coach. Our players are simply not up to AFL standard, they are a bunch of front runners who cant defend. Nicholson is a VAFA player at best, Gillies needs to go play at Surrey Park, Seller needs to go back to auskick.

Getting rid of MN won't be doing anyone any favors. We could bring back Norm Smith and it wouldn't inspire this group of players. Jim Stynes passing couldn't even put a foot up their ar$e. I think the players all need to sit down and watch a replay of the weekends game and have an open, honest and harsh talk about what should be expected of a player when they put on the red and blue guernsey. Hit them with a few home truths. Even better still they should have a few long serving MFC members be in those meetings and tell the boys a few home truths. If that doesn't put a rocket up them, I'm afraid not much will.

The board and football department should release a book called the idiots guide how to ruin a football club. They've had their chance and have cocked up at nearly every turn. Unfortunately if no one offers a solution then we are stuck with them, although I think a lot of positions at the club will become untenable if we continue playing like this in the coming months. I'm interested In the AFLs opinion in how the club is Being run. The AFL sells the competiton to the networks as an even competition but most games involving melbourne and the expansion teams is a guaranteed loss. Surely there will be a please explain soon. Perhaps if the board needs to be removed and/or football department positions the AFL could step in and make recommendations to replacements which I'm not against. We can't keep making these monumental mistakes, we won't exist soon. I have family members who are entrenched in the football industry and the horror stories I hear about the business side of our club is heartbreaking. If the club manages to get off the canvas with the current administration it would be a miracle. It makes trying up support this club, paying your membership, and going to the games hoping for improvement is like entering a boxing ring with your hands tied behind your back. I really hope the media keeps on their back, keeps them honest. We are being fed so much BS from our club through the media, that there's no problems, and we need to stick the journey, blah blah. There are too many people involved that are more about self interest, than the clubs interest. That's why people like CS stick to their guns in the war, instead of doing the right thing by the club and supporters by leaving. Sick of this boys club, they are all protecting each other. The AFL rules over all of them though, they will be found out eventually and hopefully we will get our club back into good hands once again.

We are tearing ourselves apart aren't we? A few on here seeking blood - you are overreaching. We will deal with the board and CEO at the end of the season. You don't want to follow a Mickey Mouse club? Stop forwarding cartoonish descriptions of the Demons currently working at the club, and stop trying to elicit a Mickey Mouse response from the club after 1 f___ing round. If this sh!t keeps up we can deal with it at the end of the year.

Folks, I know the game on Sunday was a bitter pill to swallow and its therapeutic for people to get things off their chests but the board is being clogged with thread after thread where similar sentiments are being expressed and we're having a lot of complaints from posters saying the site is getting out of control. Fair's fair, for 2½ days we've had the opportunity to air our grievances, explain what happened, what we should do to fix things, who to sack and whose back to stick the knives into. Unfortunately, after that time, we're not hearing anything new. Please use this thread to discuss your grievances with the club, the board, the administration, the coaches, fitness people, medical staff, bootstudders etc. and leave some space and air for the rest of us to breathe. (and please don't suggest that the rest of us aren't hurt by what's going on either). PS: New threads that come into the category described above will be merged with his one unless they're exceptional. Thanks

In a nutshell really he was shocked at what happened. Feel like they owe it to the fans. He doesnt know what really went wrong, preseason was good, everyone was confident. I wish I could post the convo because its a lot better than what ive just written, I dont want to betray the trust of a mate as it wasnt meant for a public forum.

Sack the coach, don't sack the coach, replace the CEO, replace the list, fire darts into the players' behinds, it doesn't matter. If things don't change drastically and quickly, this club will not survive. We are not financially or culturally sustainable, and we will evaporate into thin air if we continue to carry on like the spineless, loser, hopeless organisation that we've become. And neither Neeld, nor many of our players seem to give two sh*ts about the fact that 30,000 odd people who love this club desperately, are going to lose an important part of their life.

People calling the club are pathetic, bagging the receptionist all day today. It's fkn bollocks. Grow a pair.

Fitzroys last seven seasons in the AFL ran from 1990-96. In that time they took the field 152 times for 38 wins and 114 losses. Their best effort in a season over that time was 1993 when they went 10 and 10 ( a 20 round season). They had a winning percentage of 25. Our last seven seasons (including 2013 which is obviously only 1 round old) reads as follows. From a total of 133 matches from 2007 to now we have won 32, lost 99 and drawn 2 for a winning percentage of 24. Our best efforts over that time were 2010 and 2011 when we went 8 wins, 13 losses and a draw in both years. When you factor in that we have had the relative luxury of playing GWS twice last season and Gold Coast 3 times over the last couple of years (5 wins in total) the evidence that we are in fact much worse than Fitzroy is compelling. Not withstanding our financial position is somewhat healthier than the old Lions.

Agree with that Range Rover. We were well below average in the preseason. For mine Neeld's time line of achievements looks a little like this... Act 1- Subvert the natural order of a footy club. Make two sub 50 game unproven players captain, strip and shame the older players. Neeld hasn't read King Lear. Bye-bye Green, Rivers, Davey, Moloney*. Act 2 - Alienate the indigenous talent which comes out through the Mifsud affair. Bye bye Wona (walks out), Jurrah (walks out), Davey (would've gone but stuck in a contract), Kelvin Lawrence (walks out). Act 3 - The silly "not on your life" press conference after round 1 smashing v Bris 2012. Obviously has no idea what went/is wrong. Talks using 'they' instead of 'we'. Obviously not building good trust. Malthouse even starts distancing himself from Neeld. Act 4 - Unsuccessfully tries to implement the Collingwood boundary line game plan which simply doesn't work and we get slaughtered for a few weeks. Act 5- Eventually get first win when Essendon miss easy shots on goal and we just pip them. This is Neelds only win (GWS GCFC aside). Somehow it gave him the rest of the season to hack away. Act 6 - We are terrible all season until it finally ends. Act 7 - Player exodus. Even life long dees like Moloney have had enough of the culture. Act 8 - Drafts VFL spuds and mature age players. Hello Rodan, Byrnes, Dawes, Pederson etc. Act 9 - Throws his hands in the air after Round 1 loss to Port. Prediction Act 10 - Loses to GWS and gets sacked along with Schwab. Gee I would have loved it if we had have continued with Bails for 1 more up and down season then got Malthouse. *oh they are the same guys who stood up against Schwab before 186. Knifed!!

Christ, I've had enough of you clogging up the forum with rubbish threads of no substance.

NEWSFLASH When MFC produces crap players from high draft picks, it's not because we made a bad call it's because we have a crap culture at developing talent, and no money to develop it Honestly it blows my mind that our supporters can be so thick sometimes

Throwing Jimmy Toumpas under the bus here is an absolute joke. He's played one game. Give the kid some freaking time. Yes, Wines looked good but it's one game. Does anyone remember when Darren Cuthbertson set the world on fire in his 4th, 5th and 6th game? He never went on to be a world beater. Just relax about the kids. It's very early.

That is a dead set disgrace Robbie. I Thank you for all your contributions to the club. I wish I could put more in then just my membership but I can't. This should be pointed out to the club. You have more class then me because I would of given all involved a massive spray.

They key to Jack Trengoves fitness - before he came to the Dees he was training with his sister. After he came to the Dees, fitness and speed goes down hill. Conclusion: Jack's sister is probably much fitter and trains harder than most players on the list.

Sorry pal. I didn't know Colin was your brother. I don't like the nonchalant way he seems to go about his footy, but I've always stayed away from any kind of personal abuse (which I think is never the way to go). I'll be interested to hear what you have to say, as I have been for over 800 of your posts now. Hopefully you keep visiting the forums, regardless of whether you are still allowed to post or not. Keep up the good work, and go Dees. Let's hope they can turn it around before it's too late.

I kept saying this over the last month and got branded for being pessamistic and told they are only practise matches they don't count. Well now it seems they did matter.

I am not a fan of Garland's at all. I'd rather play Joel Macdonald than him, simply because we know that Macdonald will screw up because of skill errors, not a total lack of intensity. Garlo's just about at the bottom of my list now that Brent Moloney's gone. Frawley? I don't know what's going on with him. Is he just marking the hours until he can move to a real club, or has he just fallen victim to his early success and AA nomination? Who knows, but just like Garland his intensity is way below the level it should be.

I for one will be stoked, and will celebrate. The fact that it will be another win provoked by a gutless performance the week before will make it a little less enjoyable, but enjoyable none-the-less. It's the 20 weeks afterwards that will show where we're at.

Bailey = poor coach Neeld = poor coach We should have moved Bailey on early. We didn't and Neeld inherited a poorly developed list devoid of any real talent and experience. Trouble is, Neeld could be as bad as Bailey (albeit in a completely different way) Our current crop of players can't think for themselves. The team has no confidence. Has no dash and daring. Has very little teamwork. We don't run to position. We don't kick to position We don't shepherd. We don't back each other up. We play from behind. We're constantly 2nd to the ball. Gut running isn't part of our game plan. Our disposal skills are woeful. We hang our heads too much. We don't use the corridor anywhere near enough. Our 2nd and 3rd efforts are generally poor We play an outdated game style. We don't talk out on the ground. Give and go handballing - rarely see it. The players don't care enough when we lose. Our players are lazy. We don't man up. We give up too easily. We don't chase or tackle with any intent. Our forwards get caught from behind too much. Our clearance work and system out of the middle is virtually non existent. We don't know how to win. We're generally soft and have been since the start of the 2008 season. Like it or not, all the above areas are in the coaches domain. What an absolute shambles.

The "sack them" mentality isn't a knee jerk reaction, years upon years of ineptitude has finally lead to this. MFC is broken, it must be fixed. There are poisonous elements at the club, they must be sought out and eradicated. Or we can just keep going the way we have been and be no more in a couple of seasons. I would rather see heads roll then not having a club to support in 2015!

If anyone needs to get a grip, it's you Satyriconhome. It's not the most important thing to do, it's one of my home truths, so you can save your sanctimonious bullsh!t for someone else.

Your points are valid and I would hate for some knee jerk reaction, simply to be seen to be doing something Having said that, there is an old fashioned term called "accountability" and that applies to any endeavour in life. Regardless of any extenuating circumstances, if you can't turn up to "play", at the start of a new season, given your previous season, something is wrong. If your best player, in a team which, by every KPI, was abysmal, is a first year player by the name of Jack Viney, then you have a serious and endemic problem. Regardless of who is at fault, all I want to know is who will be accountable? Who will stand up and say, to hell with the problem, let's just fix it and be part of the solution? Put simply, something is intrinsically wrong at this footy club. Who will stand up and be accountable? Today's football world will not wait and will be clinically brutal if you are a recidivist offender. That is just the reality. We ignore that reality at our own peril.

That James frawley effort was awful. Compare that to his chase down of Lewis Jetta a few years ago.

DM '...so just take me through it one more time......we get hold of the ball ....then what was the other thing?' MN "....let's cross that bridge when we get to it..."

I had to sign up especially to reply to this topic. I always vowed I would never stoop to this level but anyway.... It was probably not the wisest thing for James Magner to do- to have a shot at someone on social media. However, people need to realise that him, and his team mates are actually PEOPLE. Yes they are fairly compensated for having to modify their behaviour to suit the masses, and yes, they choose to play footy as a job. But this does not mean that you, as a supporter has ANY ownership over these men and their actions. YOU do not pay their salary, the club does. If you are not happy about the way your membership dollars are being spent, DON'T SPEND THEM! Or contact the club about it! I don't understand why anyone would think they have the right to dictate how a football player chooses to spend his time based on his, or his team mates' form on the footy field. As a MFC supporter I completely understand the frustration of seeing them lose every weekend. My kids are shattered every weekend. The other kids tease them at school coz their team are so $hit! lol! But seriously, as if the players aren't trying! I know it may look like that, but if YOU were out there playing, would YOU try? Would YOU like to lose every week, to go home and read on these forums how crap everyone thinks you are, and how you should be 'handing in your pay that week'? Do you really think that they LIKE losing and just don't give a rats about winning?! They have so much more riding on this game than any supporter does, or ever will- its their job, and their passion! No-one feels the losses more than the players (and coaching staff I would guess) themselves, and it is so completely ludicrous to suggest that you as a supporter feel it more! They come off the ground absolutely shattered, wondering WTH went wrong, vowing to do better the next week, only to experience the same again and again. I don't whats wrong with the team, I don't know if its the coaching, the 'game plan', the players' lack of skill and ability, the 'culture' at the club, the admin... I don't know. But I do know that the players are trying their hardest, and they are absolutely gutted that they can't seem to get it right. Put simply, they don't need keyboard warriors going on their social media (which they are entitled to have just like every other man their age) and making comments that they do not deserve to have a life because of how them losing a friggin football game makes YOU feel. Kind of like when they did the Harlem Shake, one of the only 'fun' things they have done as a group in a long time, and it took a very short amount of time, yet so-called 'supporters' still felt they had the right to criticise them for it, I mean WTF!? Leave them alone, you don't own them and you have no right telling them what they should and shouldn't be doing. *** I say 'you' as a collective 'you' for all the no-lifers commenting that they have a right to tell poor old James Magner and any other footballer/public figure how they can/can't spend their free time.

I think the first thing they should do is release the Andrews Report to see if it sheds any light on the situation; if it doesnt then commission another report and if the result of that is the sacking, or moving on of certain people then so be it. Questions have to be asked of all at the club, and the first is do you think you are the right person for the job you are in, if so why? The club should call Neeld in and ask them why he should be allowed to continue to coach, and what he is going to do differently next week, as it appears as if his tactics and plan are an abysmal failure. I also believe that the supporters would rather have the side attack and try to win games instead of ultra defence that is designed to limit our losses, and doesn't work anyway. Most of us can't take much more of this and we are now just a joke and we are on a very slippery slope.

I don't se it the way you do, Rpfc. The club is already torn apart. It's already Mickey Mouse. A basket case. The horse has bolted and the fans want those who responsible for it held to account. The pressure will continue to mount with each passing flogging.

Not sure we were ever 10mil in debt & as for making a profit well you can thank the MCC the AFL & the good hearted people who give a lot of money to the club each year for that.

If the Club was $10M in debt, we had no sponsors, we didn't make a profit last year, the spending on the footy dept had decreased for the last five years, etc etc then I would look at getting rid of the CEO, he didn't play on Sunday as far as I can recall.......if you are looking for scapegoats look at the players

Who is ultimately responsible for taking Clark off at the 20 minute mark of the 1st Quarter? In the first 20 minutes we'd hardly had the ball in our forward line and we hadn't employed the flood. Had Clark even set foot past the half forward line? The few times we did get the ball down there Clark kicked 2 goals. The 2nd of which came at the 20 minute mark of the quarter. His 1st goal came at the 18 minute mark. Then he had to sprint to the wing for a 3 or 4 minute rest. Utterly ridiculous decision to take him off. Nonsensical. The bloke was hot, he'd kicked 2 goals in 2 minutes and then he's benched. He didn't need a rest. The score at the time was 3.2 to 2.1. As soon as he was taken off I thought, who is going to take a mark if we pump it forward. Might seem like a small thing now, but we'd just gotten back in the game on the back of Clark's efforts and then we take him off?

Does it matter? They're professionals. It shouldn't take a fire and brimstone speech to perform to the bare minimum.

That's like saying it's okay to abuse a liney because your power bill was too high. "We" don't pay the players, and even if we did it doesn't buy us the right to treat them like dogs.

Getting paid doesn't mean he should have to suffer abuse. Hell, he didn't even play in the match, why should he cop it? There's this prevalent attitude that many have that because they barrack for a club and can access the players by social media that they have a right to say whatever they want to whoever they like. People seem to lose their sense of social conscience when they're behind a Twitter account, or a Facebook account, or a Demonland account. It's something that needs to change and I think Magner is within his rights to return serve.