Nathan Brown

[beelzebub 23,185]

Id pretty well agreee with all of that. But then if prior event had been different.... goals kicked.. tackles made or broken etc. Then we wouldnt have arrived at that moment of time in that manner with that set of circumstances.

The decisive event wouldnt have happened.

But it did :-)

I see your points wholeheartedly though !!

But to a point to acede to the stance that thngs happened because others influenced it is bordering on the 'victims' reasoning. To me ...at that moment of that play.. someone made a bad call. It resulted in the passage of play that sank us. I could be reading far too much into something ,, but if you saw the reaction of Brown after the siren.. I reckon he knew it too !!

we all live to try again net week. :-)

[BrownlowBruce 1]

If ever there was a time to dispose of the ball properly, it was with 30 secs to go. I saw it, my wife saw it, your gutted team mates saw it, but YOU? No, you stared at the umpire and wondered why? Players like you are the reason Daniher is now unemployed.

wat about brock mclean holding the ball in goalsquare

[george_on_the_outer 7,415]

You make a good point... and I'll make one that will either enhance it, or denounce it.

I find, when the last 60 seconds of the match contain a play or two that are match or even season defining, that fitness and endurance play a more important part than at any time throughout the match. That is, if you are fit enough to edge ahead slightly of an opponent, you give yourself the chance to control more of what is happening...

Exactly!

And what was worse, rather than stupidly jumping on the ball, was that having been pinged, he then allowed the opponent to play on. while he wallowed around on the ground in his own pity. Mentally tough players would have gotten up straight away and got on with the job again.....Oh and by the way, it was Brown who was 5 metres behind Alwyn Davey when he ran into an open goal in the last couple of minutes.

Sorry Doggy, thanks for the memories, but too old now.

[Demon15 0]

[quote name='belzebub59' date='Jun 29 2007, 11:41 PM' post='85724]

as Ive said elsewhere

HE COST US THE GAME ..

and he bloody well knew it..

never to play in firsts again !!!

[btdemon 482]

Yes, I agree that Brown shouldn't have done that, but his gutsy play throughout the night was one of the reasons we were back in it. Lots of people stuffed up last night. Newton was obvious. Many such as Bate, McLean, Robbo, Sylvia, Bruce made errors which resulted in goals. They did however, back themselves. This is why we worked our way back into the game. Collingwood are no better than us on paper, but they are playing with confidence and backing themselves. We discovered this too late this year. Brown probably won't play too many more games for us, and rightly so, but he but his body on the line at every opportunity last night. Bruce's sht kicking has as much to answer for.

[Nasher 33,607]

I'm sure he only played because it was Neale's last game. He's all heart and IMO deserved a last run with his coach.

That mistake in the last was a shocker but you can't pin it all on one boo-boo. It just doesn't work like that.

[w00dy 146]

yeah, he made a mistake which resulted in a goal at the end of the game, but i thought he was one of our best last night... gave us plenty of run, always giving us an option from half back through to the middle...

plenty of players made some bad mistakes last night, the timing of doggies was just unfortunate...

[Jonesy is the next captain 0]

So many of you have told me our season is over, so why are you crying over losing another game? What exactly does it matter right now? I wouldve loved a win however it did not work out that way. Brownie has been a great player for us over most of ND's time at the club. It was fitting he should play, and I believe he should get more games. It is WRONG to blame it on him, what about the free kick Bruce didnt get?? You cannot blame it solely on him he was trying to keep possession of the ball. Shame on you for blaming him

[Rogue 585]

Brown's Brown.

I thought he started to do a bit more later in the game...until he got pinged :|

Good on him for getting the most out of himself, but I think his time has come to an end.

That was a bad one too. He tried to do WAY too much and backed his pace, which is silly because his pace is one of his only negatives.

At least his disposal was better tonight, after his shocker last week.

I'd say his disposal is more of a negative than his pace.

Kicking efficiency of less than 70% this season according to AFL stats from the Record (excluding last night's game obviously). McLean tends to kick it pretty low, allowing players to intercept more than they should - particularly when passing short.

While he's not that quick I don't think his pace will be much of an issue.

[Jaded No More 67,600]

Kicking efficiency of less than 70% this season according to AFL stats from the Record (excluding last night's game obviously). McLean tends to kick it pretty low, allowing players to intercept more than they should - particularly when passing short.

While he's not that quick I don't think his pace will be much of an issue.

Not trying to make excuses for him, but maybe his foot is still bothering him?

I saw him quite clearly limping last night in the first quarter after he put on a chase. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that he is getting injected before matches.

I don't think his pace is an issue either, but he isn't Davey. He shouldn't try to slip past 2 big defenders. He doesn't have the pace to burn players off is what I'm saying.

Speaking of speed, Sylvia looked very quick last night!

[LeBron James 41]

Speaking of speed, Sylvia looked very quick last night!

Yep, i hope i dont jinx it but i think he finally might be getting his OP under control

Lets hope the same thing happens with moloney

[deanox 9,641]

as Ive said elsewhere

HE COST US THE GAME ..

and he bloody well knew it..

never to play in firsts again !!!

bit harsh. as mentioned above there is probably a similar situation for every player at some point in the game. brocky in the goal square, umpires not calling the trip on bruce. entiz and robbo missing shots. newton dropping a chest mark. lucas pushing bizzell in the back (more than once). the list goes on. but brown did stuff up.

[Face Your Demons 175]

You lot are tough. I would think Brown has won more games for us then he has lost. I could pick out 10 points in the last 30 seconds that cost us that game. What was lucas doing on his own at the pack of the pack with 10 sec on the clock.

[QueenC 74]

I have a really hard time singling out a single mistake, by a single player as the whole reason we lost the game......

Was it a poor thing to do? Yes.

And a bad time to do it? Absolutely.

But as plenty of folk in here have said before me there were plenty of things that we did (missed shots on goal, McLean in the square, dropped marks) and were done to us (the trip and the multiple pushes in the back of our defenders) in that last quarter that more than helped contribute to the loss.

And that is not taking into account the appalling first quarter, which couldn't have helped matters.

[beelzebub 23,185]

I accept all the razs...fair enough.. I wont change my mind. In the end that game came down to that minute.. and when asked.. found wanting...thats why teams like essendon win and we lose. The acceptance of mediocrity and failure have for far too long been permeable stenches at Melboune.

FFS the only reason doggy was even on the pitch was because it was Neales last game. Thats the only reaon Neeta was there too.. I accept all that. BUT !! you cross that line you bettter bloody play.. Neeta had some serious problems...he wasnt even fit to play. But it was a special night of sorts. Season didnt matter.. so what the hell.

Many games..and in fact many situations in life can fairly or otherwise come down to singular moments. At these the real big questions are asked. You either pass ...or fall away. Thats life. Brown failed, and for what its worth I can empathise that he really would have felt sick for Neale that it happened. I have no doubt.

Can Brown play and decide at the level required of winning AFL teams.. for me its shows he isnt there any more. Hasn't been all this year really.

I have already acknowledged that there were many stuff ups that night.. and wil repeat it..YES ..many others did stuff up and some of those certainly contributed to the arrival at a moment when you either zigged....or you zaggged; again Brown chose the wrong way.

Much in the same way as Neale...Nathan has been a owrthy wearer of the red and blue. Like Neale his time is up.

Time's up, time to go forward. Time he didnt play in the 1sts again.

Thats my view..I stick to it.

[occo 2]

People say it was the umps that cost us the game but Brown deserves the embarrisment. He never tried to get the ball out from under him. Thanks alot Brown!

[BrownlowBruce 1]

People say it was the umps that cost us the game but Brown deserves the embarrisment. He never tried to get the ball out from under him. Thanks alot Brown!

if anyone cost us the game... its certainly not brown..... his last 5 mins... u could tell he tried harder than any other player......

u want somone to be angry at ? brock mclean he never ever tried to get rid of the ball and HIS holding the ball was pathedic he had about 10 seconds to kick it.... i am concerned about brock he has looked slow the last 2 weeks... no individual cost us the game.

[Little Goffy 13,957]

as Ive said elsewhere

HE COST US THE GAME ..

and he bloody well knew it..

never to play in firsts again !!!

Oh come on, when was it serious to actually say that one error costs a game.

Brown screwed up because he had a brain freeze under pressure with 30 seconds to go.

It's a problem, I'd suggest it's his last season and he wont get many more games, but don't overdo it, huh?

[occo 2]

if anyone cost us the game... its certainly not brown..... his last 5 mins... u could tell he tried harder than any other player......

u want somone to be angry at ? brock mclean he never ever tried to get rid of the ball and HIS holding the ball was pathedic he had about 10 seconds to kick it.... i am concerned about brock he has looked slow the last 2 weeks... no individual cost us the game.

Oh believe me. i have blaimed Brock too. My mention of his selfish style of play last night and trying to be too cute made a number of fans on here angry. It seems brock is untouchable

[Jaded No More 67,600]

Oh believe me. i have blaimed Brock too. My mention of his selfish style of play last night and trying to be too cute made a number of fans on here angry. It seems brock is untouchable

Not untouchable.

He stuffed up, we all know it, but you called him selfish which was and still is a stupid comment.

He works has hard as anyone on the field, and he is anything but a self-centred player. He wouldn't be in the leadership group if he was.

Not one individual play cost us the game. Being so far behind at quarter time did it.

How many times have we seen this happen... Melbourne lose because they play one bad quarter of footy.

The competition is far too even to go snoozing for 30 minutes. Let's hope the new coach can eradicate that up-and-down problem.

[Jonesy is the next captain 0]

Oh believe me. i have blaimed Brock too. My mention of his selfish style of play last night and trying to be too cute made a number of fans on here angry. It seems brock is untouchable

No you are correct he is untouchable and if you say one word against him everyone thinks you hate him unfortunately you will have to get used to it. However it seems you can mention trading Bruce & Johnstone and receive a round of applause

[45HG 1,539]

nathan brown, the man whose attitude typifies the way our team SHOULD play and probably lifted those around him, cost us the game and not a 2 goal to EIGHT first quarter? wow

[Jonesy is the next captain 0]

nathan brown, the man whose attitude typifies the way our team SHOULD play and probably lifted those around him, cost us the game and not a 2 goal to EIGHT first quarter? wow

It seems anyone over the age of 24 cops the blame for everything wrong with our team

[Jaded No More 67,600]

It seems anyone over the age of 24 cops the blame for everything wrong with our team

Bit hard to blame players with less than 50 games experience isn't it?

Maybe we should blame Newton because he dropped a chest mark. Yep, burn him at the stake.

Nobody should be getting the blame individually. As a group, they all stuffed up in the first quarter by playing like a bunch of 9 graders.

And I know you don't hate McLean. You only get stuck into him to try and annoy me, isn't that right?

Are you and BrownlowBruce related?

[Jonesy is the next captain 0]

Bit hard to blame players with less than 50 games experience isn't it?

Maybe we should blame Newton because he dropped a chest mark. Yep, burn him at the stake.

Nobody should be getting the blame individually. As a group, they all stuffed up in the first quarter by playing like a bunch of 9 graders.

And I know you don't hate McLean. You only get stuck into him to try and annoy me, isn't that right?

Are you and BrownlowBruce related?

No I dont like to blame anyone thats my point and I think its unfair to continuosly put the blame on one or two players who have played well for our club over the years eg White, Brown, Bruce etc

And yes I actually love Brock and sometimes its too easy to wind certain people up about him as he does seem to be untouchable as opposed to everyone else in the team.

With the last question I plead the fifth