3 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

In your penultimate paragraph you’ve ended a sentence with a full-stop instead of an exclamation mark! Just letting you know in case consistency matters to you!

You’re welcome!!!!!!!!

😜

no problem here with 'case consistency' 😁

steven king or hayden skipworth seem like good options from the assistant coaching ranks

6 hours ago, Roost it far said:

87 prelim was worse

87 preliminary is right up there with the MOST disappionting occurances in my life!😵😵‍💫

On 04/09/2025 at 16:20, daisycutter said:

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how was that

The last journalist I remember....Percy Beames. The Age.

2 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Hearing Green saying the criteria of 8 years experience as a coach , not sure why the footy world needs to hear this, Scott & Macrae I’m sure didn’t have 8 years ( could be wrong) an both are premiership coaches with possibly another flag coming up! Keep this stuff in house!

McRae was an assistant 2007-2021.

Kelly, King, Lade, Skipworth all clear the 8 year mark.

I agree about not making it public but seems like a reasonable metric.

Clarkson was 7 years. Hardwick 5 years. Chris Scott just 3 years.

But I think you can argue Hardwick was a fraction too green to begin with. I also think Scott brought a good tactical change to win the 2011 flag but then Geelong weren’t actually all that good for the next half a dozen or so years.

7 hours ago, picket fence said:

87 preliminary is right up there with the MOST disappionting occurances in my life!😵😵‍💫

That’s really saying something… you have many, many, many disappointing occurrences from which to choose. 😉

7 hours ago, picket fence said:

87 preliminary is right up there with the MOST disappionting occurances in my life!😵😵‍💫

Carlton 2022 Semi tops it in my view. Footy kind of died for me that night.

9 minutes ago, praha said:

Carlton 2022 Semi tops it in my view. Footy kind of died for me that night.

It was 2023, but the 22 straight sets was just painful

9 hours ago, picket fence said:

87 preliminary is right up there with the MOST disappionting occurances in my life!😵😵‍💫

Totally agree pf my mate and I were in complete shock as we thought the game was over when Stynes was penalised. That last five minutes scarred me for years then the pandemonium of our Dee brethren was terrible topped off by the epic journey out of the car park. I still feel like we were robbed.

8 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

McRae was an assistant 2007-2021.

Kelly, King, Lade, Skipworth all clear the 8 year mark.

I agree about not making it public but seems like a reasonable metric.

Clarkson was 7 years. Hardwick 5 years. Chris Scott just 3 years.

But I think you can argue Hardwick was a fraction too green to begin with. I also think Scott brought a good tactical change to win the 2011 flag but then Geelong weren’t actually all that good for the next half a dozen or so years.

Whereas, Goody had 4 years at Essendon, including an interim senior coaching position, plus an additional 2 years as an assistant under Roos at Melbourne. So he wouldn't clear the bar either.

The 8 years experience seems incredibly arbitrary.

10 hours ago, Big Col said:

I was drunk from about quarter time cos it was obvious we were going to lose (I was at the game). 1987 prelim burns worse.

Ditto... blotto..

i Agree, but I think it’s just a mature acknowledgement from the club this isn’t just a footy coaching role, the entire club needs realignment and repair and the person to do that is going to need experience

Are people actually upset by Green saying we want eight years experience?

I’d bloody hope we’re trying to get an experienced candidate - it’s a senior coaching role for a football club that’s lacked strong leadership for years now

17 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

You must have forgotten what Roos inherited. We were North / West Coast level bad. How is Clarkson going at North?

We played finals 1 year after he left, which was something we hadn't done in over a decade prior.

He changed the trajectory of this club, and set the foundations for Goody.

When he took over, did you think we'd win a flag in your lifetime? I sure as hell didn't.

We are in a completely different place now with our list, but I still believe that what we need most is a cultural/ attitude/ mental reset. More than we need a new game plan or a list overhaul.

I agree especially the highlighted. I would extend this to a total club attitude. I think Roos had the support of the AFL community snd there was a change of approach by the press and umpires to recognise a winning attitude.

If our team played as vigorously as displayed by the Pies and the cats, our players would be rubbed out by the officials at every level,. Penalised on the field and at tribunal.

While i appreciate the game is difficult to umpire, the inconsistency and bias in many of our matches and certainly tribunal decisions appears obvious. WE need to reset and ask what are we doing wrong so we can play with the same confidence as the more favoured teams. Equal treatment will lessen frustration and allow us to play amore attractive game.

I am probably not expressing myself well, and do not want to be seen as just complaining. We need to be positive and identify how our attitude must be reset.

9 hours ago, Willmoy1947 said:

The last journalist I remember....Percy Beames. The Age.

Correct, they are now media stars who give their opinions, rather than report.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by Redleg

1 hour ago, demoncat said:

Are people actually upset by Green saying we want eight years experience?

I’d bloody hope we’re trying to get an experienced candidate - it’s a senior coaching role for a football club that’s lacked strong leadership for years now

As mentioned, with an arbitrary rule like this, we'd immediately rule out the next Chris Scott, Hardwick, Clarkson or Goodwin.

I think we told Buckley the role was his before we sacked Goody and we're going through the process to give the board cover, making this point moot anyway.

But I've been wrong before...

7 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

As mentioned, with an arbitrary rule like this, we'd immediately rule out the next Chris Scott, Hardwick, Clarkson or Goodwin.

I think we told Buckley the role was his before we sacked Goody and we're going through the process to give the board cover, making this point moot anyway.

But I've been wrong before...

I get it, but clearly we’ve identified experience as a requirement for the role

Every club will have different needs when going to market for a new coach

You mention Scott as an example, but Geelong was a strong enough club on and off the field to ‘take the risk’ on an untried coach (as good as he’s since been for them)

Would we have structures in the club to support a coach like that? I’m not so sure

Regardless I tend to agree with your last point, it’s pretty clear we sounded out Buckley long before Goodwin was sacked, so it’s a moot point anyway

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by demoncat

13 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

As mentioned, with an arbitrary rule like this, we'd immediately rule out the next Chris Scott, Hardwick, Clarkson or Goodwin.

I think we told Buckley the role was his before we sacked Goody and we're going through the process to give the board cover, making this point moot anyway.

But I've been wrong before...

Yep, that was the first thing that came to my mind weeks ago.... saving face.

17 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

As mentioned, with an arbitrary rule like this, we'd immediately rule out the next Chris Scott, Hardwick, Clarkson or Goodwin.

I think we told Buckley the role was his before we sacked Goody and we're going through the process to give the board cover, making this point moot anyway.

But I've been wrong before...

Totally agree mate.

The club have had a quiet word to NB about the role.

Club doing its due diligence in about conducting a process to see if any prospects can bring anything fresh and new to the table.

If not then its NB's gig.

He ticks the boxes and the main one he is hungry for success which i like, brings a profile and aura with him, we need that as a club.

He can handle the big dogs (egos) in our team also.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

8 minutes ago, demoncat said:

I get it, but clearly we’ve identified experience as a requirement for the role

Every club will have different needs when going to market for a new coach

You mention Scott as an example, but Geelong was a strong enough club on and off the field to ‘take the risk’ on an untried coach (as good as he’s since been for them)

Would we have structures in the club to support a coach like that? I’m not so sure

I guess this is my point. Every club is at a different stage and has different needs. Clearly, we've identified we need experience, but this is the problem with an arbitrary rule like 8 years experience. What if the best candidate had 6 or 7 years experience and was seen as the glue to the FD and wider club?

I think it shows how poor/naive some of our messaging is. There was never any need to be specific about the amount of experience in terms of years. Just say you're looking for experience and you won't be drawn into specifics. They will come out as part of the process.

An operator like PJ wouldn't frame things this way. And if you've seen Green's video on socials yesterday, he can barely string a sentence together, and manages to repeat the same talking points regardless of the question. (I know it's difficult being in front of the camera, I struggle with this too unless I know exactly what I'm talking about)

I worry we still don't have the right people in charge though.

Time will tell.

4 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

I guess this is my point. Every club is at a different stage and has different needs. Clearly, we've identified we need experience, but this is the problem with an arbitrary rule like 8 years experience. What if the best candidate had 6 or 7 years experience and was seen as the glue to the FD and wider club?

I think it shows how poor/naive some of our messaging is. There was never any need to be specific about the amount of experience in terms of years. Just say you're looking for experience and you won't be drawn into specifics. They will come out as part of the process.

An operator like PJ wouldn't frame things this way. And if you've seen Green's video on socials yesterday, he can barely string a sentence together, and manages to repeat the same talking points regardless of the question. (I know it's difficult being in front of the camera, I struggle with this too unless I know exactly what I'm talking about)

I worry we still don't have the right people in charge though.

Time will tell.

Totally agree about Green

All I’ll say is that Smith can’t start soon enough…

It’s great that we have Demonland to voice our opinions and concerns to share with one another and float theories, perceptions and inner thoughts about all and sundry it’s a great outlet. But I sometimes feel that we over analyse every detail and look for faults that don’t exist, this is a time for reflection and great anticipation, I for one am enjoying the ride and will trust the decisions made by our club in Sourcing our new football leader.😁👍

12 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

In your penultimate paragraph you’ve ended a sentence with a full-stop instead of an exclamation mark! Just letting you know in case consistency matters to you!

You’re welcome!!!!!!!!

😜

Thanks, punctuation has never been a strength! I haven’t found the spellchecker & grammar button in Demonland!!

8 hours ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Mate he took over a list that wasn't even VFL standard and with the worst percentage I can remember. He knew it wasn't going to be easy and that it would undermine his past success but he did it anyway. You can't judge his win loss at the Dee's for anything given when he started we were so bad the afl had to step in.

If you measure Roos time comparing each season he coached to the preceding year, there was a substantial improvement each year!

17 minutes ago, dpositive said:

I agree especially the highlighted. I would extend this to a total club attitude. I think Roos had the support of the AFL community snd there was a change of approach by the press and umpires to recognise a winning attitude.

If our team played as vigorously as displayed by the Pies and the cats, our players would be rubbed out by the officials at every level,. Penalised on the field and at tribunal.

While i appreciate the game is difficult to umpire, the inconsistency and bias in many of our matches and certainly tribunal decisions appears obvious. WE need to reset and ask what are we doing wrong so we can play with the same confidence as the more favoured teams. Equal treatment will lessen frustration and allow us to play amore attractive game.

I am probably not expressing myself well, and do not want to be seen as just complaining. We need to be positive and identify how our attitude must be reset.

If you look at sports team results around the world, any sport, teams have a better record at home, note I’m sure someone will come up with an anomaly!

Why:

• knowledge of the ground, stadium, wind etc!

• Higher team support, which typically leads to more favourable umpiring decisions.

• Routine, own bed, less travel etc!

Pies & Cats both have significant advantages as clubs:

• Cats 9 home games at own stadium and not greatly disadvantaged in 7 other games played across MCG/Marvel as they play at each often enough! Also home stadium 95% of home fans due to ticket restrictions!

• Still benefit from a virtual go home academy, Dangerfield and more as an example!

• Numerous others I’ve mentioned before, including ex Cats stacked in at the AFL!

• Pies get 16/17 games at least interstate games of any club year after year, how often do they play at Kardinia Park!

• Umpiring through crowd number bias!

• Tribunal through MRO, even if only subconscious bias! It’s a joke that he is allowed to judge Pies players!

There is more, but if you have any doubts about AFL trying to even the competition, Pies and Cats both benefit heavily from their treatment by the AFL!

Just on C Scott, I have an extended family member who works at the Cats in their strength and conditioning department and I had a conversation with him 6 months ago about why Scott is such a good coach. He basically said he sees the game extremely well, but his best quality was his ability to delegate and trust those around him to get things done. You can tell the guy just demands a heap of respect and everyone who works for him wants to live up to his expectations. He also said that Scott doesn't even speak to the players all that much during the week and leaves that up to the assistant coaches. I guess maybe one voice is easier to listen to than multiple?

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by At the break of Gawn

3 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

i Agree, but I think it’s just a mature acknowledgement from the club this isn’t just a footy coaching role, the entire club needs realignment and repair and the person to do that is going to need experience

Bucks had to deal with Eddie and Pert, he's certainly had some tough schooling and would have learnt plenty from the experience.