4 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Current ceo & president are interim

Everyone is interim.

The coach being over rated is a ridiculous comment. They drive the method and how the team plays whilst utilising the list they have at their disposal.

What the coach does not have full control over is list management, fitness staff and recruitment. The coach has the ability to influence these areas and what they need to fulfil their coaching philosophy.

The football manager needs to put the right people in pace to create a cohesive system and Richardson has failed in this regard.

Do we make a play for Damian Barrett and Llordo to run our Footy Department?

8 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

Looking further, it looks like Greg Stafford was made a scapegoat. He was our premiership forward coach after all as well as ruck coach and since his departure our forward line woes are a lot worse than they have ever been.

I also agree hiring Jones with no experience was a mistake. Jobs for mates.

I recall the angst at losing Yze to Richmond. 😢

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

We have a President, fact.

We will have a new President in August.

We have a CEO currently. Fact.

The new one is already working on club matters and starts officially September 1

Who do you want sacked in the next 3 weeks?

Who do you want traded in, in the next 3 weeks?

Who do you want delisted in the next 3 weeks?

I want the President sacked if he does not personally present me with a list of the malfunctions at match-level, each with the believed cause, proposed, remedy, proposed short-term metric of progress (as opposed doing our nut at halftime). The bucks stop with him.

The review press releases relating committee changes seem comparatively irrelevant.

14 hours ago, monoccular said:

Everyone needs scrutiny and accountability.

This 1000 x this ^^^^

9 hours ago, Redleg said:

We have a President, fact.

We will have a new President in August.

We have a CEO currently. Fact.

The new one is already working on club matters and starts officially September 1

Who do you want sacked in the next 3 weeks?

Who do you want traded in, in the next 3 weeks?

Who do you want delisted in the next 3 weeks?

And do you really suppose either of the incoming is actually going to do ANYTHING remotely controversial in the first weeks ?? No... didn't think so.

So effectively everyone is treading water going nowhere fast.

By time the noobs are settled and know their way to the cheese counter and Shiraz cupboard the preseason will be well under way and we'll be essentially lumped with the same underachieving FD and all associates. We might strike lucky and someone leaves... maybe.

Tell me how that doesn't happen. I'm up to being informed.

Red, I genuinely feel your faith in the status quo is not warranted. The club is flailing and failing.

Needs a huge clean out of the FD.. and as the .p. suggests Richardson can go. He's most definitely not part of any solution.

10 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

Well, it got us a bit more than that. Er, it got us a flag, remember? Which is more than Kingsley has achieved.

Apart from that one flag, the Football department has overseen the most massive fall of a cliff in our history. Goodwin as coach, line coaches and footy hierachy are directly responsible for 99% of the problems we are now seeing. I dont buy any club spin in this situation and I agree the place has become like the love boat. It is a boat that is sinking faster than the Titanic. God I hope Steven Smith rings the changes coz if he doesn't, more pain awaits!

Edited Thursday at 21:285 days by picket fence

11 hours ago, Demonsone said:

with a CEO & President in waiting no decision can or will be made, why these new appointments are not in place early sums up our club! Down on membership by 15k since hitting 70k, gate receipts down, crappy draw …our first 3 home games , GWS , Subs & Freo, haven’t played in Vic for a month … yet club takes it .. imagine if the pies got this draw

Not necessarily. The board can take action now if they wanted to.

Will they? No. Can they? Absolutely

54 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

And do you really suppose either of the incoming is actually going to do ANYTHING remotely controversial in the first weeks ?? No... didn't think so.

So effectively everyone is treading water going nowhere fast.

By time the noobs are settled and know their way to the cheese counter and Shiraz cupboard the preseason will be well under way and we'll be essentially lumped with the same underachieving FD and all associates. We might strike lucky and someone leaves... maybe.

Tell me how that doesn't happen. I'm up to being informed.

Red, I genuinely feel your faith in the status quo is not warranted. The club is flailing and failing.

Needs a huge clean out of the FD.. and as the .p. suggests Richardson can go. He's most definitely not part of any solution.

absolutely correct Bb Only Melbourne could find itself in this situation

Our board are observers not drivers If Brad wishes to be remembered for anything he needs to act decisively now and communicate a way out of this mess. As i have said previously this is only making it harder for Smith remembering the blockers and underperformers he will inherit from the current board

Its a disgrace in my view

14 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well said.

Dont care if the players love the coach. Sick to death of this whole "love" narrative thats been driven by the coach all season.

All love has gotten us is two bottom 5 finishes in the last two years.

Get a coach like Adam Kingsley who has a good balance of having a good rapport with the players but also a hard [censored] who isn't afraid to pull players into line.

If anyone says that a certain coach is 'great to have a beer with' as their main strength then I'm out.

The game has never been more demanding on senior coaches and you need to be a high football IQ literally dreaming of tactics and gameplans at night. The 'good bloke' coach sucks and doesn't win flags, Bob Davis as great a man as he was wouldn't last two seconds today. I would prefer to have a rocket scientist who lives in the basement studying tape all day than the guy who stays with the guys at the pub for another few rounds.

And I'm not saying that Goodwin is like the above or is soft. Up until the flag I've mostly thought he was reasonably balanced eg firm in his believe of what he was trying to achieve with his system/culture while still maintaining good rapport with players.

This year however, all we've heard of is the rapport and connection side of things and players loving and supporting him despite repeatedly coming out in first quarters putting up meek efforts.

Edited Friday at 00:145 days by layzie

6 minutes ago, layzie said:

If anyone says that a certain coach is 'great to have a beer with' as their main strength then I'm out.

The game has never been more demanding on senior coaches and you need to be a high football IQ literally dreaming of tactics and gameplans at night. The 'good bloke' coach sucks and doesn't win flags, Bob Davis as great a man as he was wouldn't last two seconds today. I would prefer to have a rocket scientist who lives in the basement studying tape all day than the guy who stays with the guys at the pub for another few rounds.

And I'm not saying that Goodwin is like the above or is soft. Up until the flag I've mostly thought he was reasonably balanced eg firm in his believe of what he was trying to achieve with his system/culture while still maintaining good rapport with players.

This year however, all we've heard of is the rapport and connection side of things and players loving and supporting him despite repeatedly coming out in first quarters putting up meek efforts.

Chris Fagan is far closer to the “great to have a beer with” style than the “scientist in the basement”.

And indeed, I’d suggest that a common link between the best current/recent coaches (McRae, Fagan, Longmire, Hardwick, Scott) is their ability to balance their connection with players with their professional approach to tactics/selection, without ever becoming a “scientist in the basement” who prioritises robotic/cold interactions.

2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Chris Fagan is far closer to the “great to have a beer with” style than the “scientist in the basement”.

And indeed, I’d suggest that a common link between the best current/recent coaches (McRae, Fagan, Longmire, Hardwick, Scott) is their ability to balance their connection with players with their professional approach to tactics/selection, without ever becoming a “scientist in the basement” who prioritises robotic/cold interactions.

That is true. And maybe it works when you have completely nailed your support staff, like we did in 2021.

The Scientist in the basement is an exaggeration to make the point that nearly all coaches need to be working overtime on the actual coaching these days. Relationship and man management is important for a senior coach, there's no doubt about that. I'm sure all of those names put in their time in the film room though. Fagan spent long periods under some brilliant tacticians which would have honed his balance that you have mentioned.

Edited Friday at 00:345 days by layzie

3 minutes ago, layzie said:

If anyone says that a certain coach is 'great to have a beer with' as their main strength then I'm out.

The game has never been more demanding on senior coaches and you need to be a high football IQ literally dreaming of tactics and gameplans at night. The 'good bloke' coach sucks and doesn't win flags, Bob Davis as great a man as he was wouldn't last two seconds today. I would prefer to have a rocket scientist who lives in the basement studying tape all day than the guy who stays with the guys at the pub for another few rounds.

And I'm not saying that Goodwin is like the above or is soft. Up until the flag I've mostly thought he was reasonably balanced eg firm in his believe of what he was trying to achieve with his system/culture while still maintaining good rapport with players.

This year however, all we've heard of is the rapport and connection side of things and players loving and supporting him despite repeatedly coming out in first quarters putting up meek efforts.

You are 100% spot on Laze..

I tend to go back to when he was happy to show the door for Jack Watts and Jesse Hogan for instance but yet had a different stance on the likes of Petracca, Oliver and Petty.

Back then I think we actually respected his willingness to change the club culture as both Hogan and Watts were much loved players within the playing group and supporters. We had opportunities to reshape our list with the likes of Oliver and Petty trade for instance but that didn't eventuate

My feel is that hes gotten way too comfortable with the players and that in itself can be a messy line to cross.

13 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

"Love" didn't buy us a flag mate. A well structured and disciplined team was what got us a flag.

And this whole 'oh but but we won a flag!' Commentary just needs to simply stop. Stop living in the past.

Not only was that 4 years ago that happened, but we have achieved absolutely nothing since. There have been changes to our playing list, football department and opposition teams have easily worked us out.

The game has completely changed and shifted away from the contested bull at the gate style which made us so successful back in 2021 and our contested mids have been exposed because of it.

In some respects we won that flag despite Goodwin. Whilst kudos is given for being there the first indications that our game style was "gettable" well and truly appeared during that game. We were getting done over ... As I recall ( granted this is anecdotal as conveyed to me later ) after half time some decided to essentially abandon the official game plan which of course is a Defence at all cost style and threw caution to the wind and attacked. A group thought there was nothing to lose and could see the game slipping away. Score element just lifted.. gave 110% and just willed themselves at the ball with total disregard for standing orders. One small act after another changed our fortunes that day.

Do yourselves a favour and rewatch the game from Half time.

Our game , even now, exhibits major flaws. Some suggest these are the areas being 'ammended' . The Queen Mary turns quicker !! Our game plan fails the pub test. How we can't fix some basics of football quite frankly astounds me. Time and time again there are comments .. " if we'd only kicked straight ".. why don't we ??? This is no overnight discovery it's been symptomatic for seasons. That's someone's job.. and it's the job of others to oversee and mentor them so the outcome is delivered. I really have no idea what's being taught down front as nothing is manifestly obvious ( if even poorly executed ). As a hack I played forward.. a b-i-l played VFL( prior AFL ) as a forward.. neither of us can understand what Melbourne is trying to do 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

So if it's Richos job to make the Footy Dept humm... well .. all I hear is a horrendous din !!

We need better

players need to respect their coaches

respect comes from a clear game plan and clear role instructions

and the ability to instil belief and confidence in that plan

part tactician / part communication skills / part psychologist

the psychologist part is the hardest. the coach needs to know his players individual personality and psyche because that will inform the best way to manage and motivate them individually.

While not giving Goody an out, Richo has not been able to Hire good enough assistants, and Lamb has not been able to Attract any A or even B grade talent to our club. I have these 2 higher in the failure ranks .

I shared my IT office with Ricoh(sic) for 4 months, 25 years ago while he ran an upgrade of 8 story building including all trades and planning of both personnel and offices that meant our business never suffered downtime. I was very impressed.

Alan Richardson is no light weight. Deep thinker, consultitive and generous in his dealings with others. Some may find that this is his major failing. Before jumping to uninformed conclusions and looking for scapegoats, try to do some research.

For a little insight, watch the the ABC's "I was actually there that day" about Nicky Winmar when the Saints got up at Vic Park amongst immense racism as Winmar ran riot. No one from the Pies wanted to speak about it except for a fan or 2. Richo played on Nicky and came on the show to recollect the day although he was comprehensively beaten and he never uttered a word against him. Not a light weight.

1 hour ago, Damo said:

I shared my IT office with Ricoh(sic) for 4 months, 25 years ago while he ran an upgrade of 8 story building including all trades and planning of both personnel and offices that meant our business never suffered downtime. I was very impressed.

Alan Richardson is no light weight. Deep thinker, consultitive and generous in his dealings with others. Some may find that this is his major failing. Before jumping to uninformed conclusions and looking for scapegoats, try to do some research.

For a little insight, watch the the ABC's "I was actually there that day" about Nicky Winmar when the Saints got up at Vic Park amongst immense racism as Winmar ran riot. No one from the Pies wanted to speak about it except for a fan or 2. Richo played on Nicky and came on the show to recollect the day although he was comprehensively beaten and he never uttered a word against him. Not a light weight.

Lovely story.

Meanwhile back at the Dees our footy is going from bad to worse.

The bloke running that dept might be answerable for a chunk ( see what is did there ) of it too. His coaching record.. 2nd to... well a lot !!

Whilst we might have a knack in one field doesn't mean we will do well in another. He is the manager of performance.

We're not travelling too well. By default that reflects on him.

It's classically one of those "what is ..is" situation.

His tenure in that position mirrors our trending down since the flag.

There'd be a lot of businesses that would show you the door for those results.

18 hours ago, Redleg said:

We have a President, fact.

We will have a new President in August.

We have a CEO currently. Fact.

The new one is already working on club matters and starts officially September 1

Who do you want sacked in the next 3 weeks?

Who do you want traded in, in the next 3 weeks?

Who do you want delisted in the next 3 weeks?

If you wanna start dealing is facts Reddie, suggest this thread is not for you. Get a job with David Attenborough instead.

Looks like people want everyone sacked

37 minutes ago, lorn said:

Looks like people want everyone sacked

The things posters write...

Anyone reading this would assume that our coaches don't lay awake at night dreaming of game plans, preparing tactics and so on. Anyone who thinks that Goodwin doesn't do that, and probably Richo although it's not his job, has no idea. And as for getting too comfortable with the players and playing favourites: hasn't anyone heard Goodwin talk about how you need to have cohesion with a settled team. Yes, he doesn't like making changes for change's sake, he wants teams to get used to playing with each other. In fact, Brad Scott was talking about the difficulty he's having getting exactly that because of injuries this year.

40 minutes ago, lorn said:

Looks like people want everyone sacked

Glad I am self employed.

1 minute ago, Ollie fan said:

The things posters write...

Anyone reading this would assume that our coaches don't lay awake at night dreaming of game plans, preparing tactics and so on. Anyone who thinks that Goodwin doesn't do that, and probably Richo although it's not his job, has no idea. And as for getting too comfortable with the players and playing favourites: hasn't anyone heard Goodwin talk about how you need to have cohesion with a settled team. Yes, he doesn't like making changes for change's sake, he wants teams to get used to playing with each other. In fact, Brad Scott was talking about the difficulty he's having getting exactly that because of injuries this year.

Losing creates discontent, enough said.

On 11/07/2025 at 15:52, Queanbeyan Demon said:

If you wanna start dealing is facts Reddie, suggest this thread is not for you. Get a job with David Attenborough instead.

Yes that's just full of eco- porn instead. Remembering of course he is an actor