12 minutes ago, bing181 said:

"Everyone's trying to crack the code in terms of goalkicking," Goodwin said ahead of the King's Birthday blockbuster against Collingwood.

"There's certainly a skill to it and there's a mindset to it.

"We believe that we've done the work to get the skill set.

"It's now making sure that mentally we believe that we're capable and we finish the plays."

The way Goodwin answers press conference questions is so annoying. We are the worst team at converting shots at goal into actual goals. That's not an 'everyone' problem, it's a Melbourne problem.

Goody on 360 waxing lyrical about Williams.

" He's one of the best in the business."

Really.

And then goes on about how the Nt game isn't more than just about footy per se.

And then when pressed if you have to win them?

Absolutely that's what's it's all about.

He would make a great politician.

On a more positive note, it was great to see Flash being interviewed and selected to go down the slide. Humble guy who has little to be humble about. Great sense of humor and one of our very good players.

Edited June 5Jun 5 by Previously known as LITD.

3 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Field kicking is not much of a comparison because you can keep the ball low when hitting a short pass and when you go longer your target can move to follow the flight of the ball.

You're missing the point

His field kicks do not go hard left.

16 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

You're missing the point

Max, alas, does not. ☹️

I'm with the rest of you who hate seeing him spin the footy in his hands but, once he holds it in both hands, he has another bad habit of moving the ball left and right instead of holding it steady. You just knew what was going to happen with that set shot on Sunday.

On 04/06/2025 at 14:03, jnrmac said:

Scores this year

• 11.8 L

• 9.12 L

• 8.14 L

• 6.10 L

• 8.9 L

• 16.11 W

• 12.11 W

• 16.12 W

• 7.14 L

• 14.15 W

• 19.17 W

• 7.21 L

The evidence doesn't support Goody's statement. I am really concerned by his statement rather than reassured by the fact he at least knows its an issue. He can believe they are on top of the skills but the figures really don't lie here. If its only mindset then we need to do something different to shape it, as our current mindset has delivered double digit points in every game except two. Turn 30% of the points into goals and the above scores look very different.

Larkey says he got his mind right with his practice routine/repetition.

Edited June 5Jun 5 by Robbie57

55 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

The way Goodwin answers press conference questions is so annoying. We are the worst team at converting shots at goal into actual goals. That's not an 'everyone' problem, it's a Melbourne problem.

Sure, but don't forget whenever Goodwin speaks to the media the players may also be listening. So maybe he's trying to reduce the pressure on them by generalising the problem.

There’s fairly enough plenty of focus on the players taking the actual shots, but there’s no doubt that on the weekend and historically we take low percentage shots.

@WheeloRatings ’ shot map shows how many shots we took on the angle and outside 30m. Our expected score was 83.8. We had 28 scoring shots. So that would still have looked like 11.17.83. So with the shots we had we were still expected to kick inaccurately. The shots were too often too hard.

We’ve done better this year at generating better shots on goal. Last week was a regression IMO.

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

There’s fairly enough plenty of focus on the players taking the actual shots, but there’s no doubt that on the weekend and historically we take low percentage shots.

@WheeloRatings ’ shot map shows how many shots we took on the angle and outside 30m. Our expected score was 83.8. We had 28 scoring shots. So that would still have looked like 11.17.83. So with the shots we had we were still expected to kick inaccurately. The shots were too often too hard.

We’ve done better this year at generating better shots on goal. Last week was a regression IMO.

Agreed, based on the heat map we had barely any shots from in front in the Saints game! However, in the weeks we've had the new game plan running well, we've generally been much better at coming via the corridor or players undertaking a lateral kick so we can score from in front (such as Langdon's kicks). Hopefully we are able to revert back to playing this style, and generating more favourable shots on goal, in the Pies game.

1 hour ago, sue said:

Sure, but don't forget whenever Goodwin speaks to the media the players may also be listening. So maybe he's trying to reduce the pressure on them by generalising the problem.

Kind of ridiculous if he can't even fully admit to the issue for fear of upsetting the players.

2 hours ago, bing181 said:

"Everyone's trying to crack the code in terms of goalkicking," Goodwin said ahead of the King's Birthday blockbuster against Collingwood.

"There's certainly a skill to it and there's a mindset to it.

"We believe that we've done the work to get the skill set.

"It's now making sure that mentally we believe that we're capable and we finish the plays."

“We believe that we’ve done the work to get the skill set”

And yet nearly everyone here has noted the obvious flaws in the techniques of the 2 serial offenders, Max and Tracc? There are zero signs that there has been improvements to technique/skill. A poor technique will always struggle under pressure, no matter what sport you are playing. And a poor technique soon affects the mindset, they are both linked.

3 hours ago, bing181 said:

.....

"There's certainly a skill to it and there's a mindset to it.

....

Something I'd agree with him on ..... as I've suggested elsewhere.

Two aspects. Technique and Mindfullness

It's not rocket science..

Both require application and repetition..

4 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

The way Goodwin answers press conference questions is so annoying. We are the worst team at converting shots at goal into actual goals. That's not an 'everyone' problem, it's a Melbourne problem.

We are also the worst team in the accuracy stat for teams playing against us.

In other words teams playing us don’t miss, while we generally miss.

5 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

I've heard from a number of people that it's widely acknowledged Choco has a shelf life of 2-3 years as an assistant before he gets too comfortable and his ability to inspire and develop players wanes.

Ess 4 years , GWS 2 and Richmond 3.

This will now be his 6th season with us.

He's the head of development and responsible for kicking skills

Not sure he's the right man anymore

Choco - if you are reading this, will you accept the challenge??

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

We are also the worst team in the accuracy stat for teams playing against us.

In other words teams playing us don’t miss, while we generally miss.

That tells me that we're not defending very well and allow easy goals to be kicked.

19 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

That tells me that we're not defending very well and allow easy goals to be kicked.

Again, @WheeloRatings shows this. St Kilda’s shot map shows they kicked 8 goals from directly in front, 7 of which were within about 25m from goal. We barely had a shot from the same area.

St Kilda got too many easy looks inside 50, hence their accuracy. We had too many difficult shots, hence our inaccuracy.

21 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Games since 2022 that we've either kicked ourselves out of it and/or the oppo has had incredibly unsustainable accuracy. I suspect it doesn't compare favourably to other sides.

Round 22 2022 - V Collingwood MCG

Semi final 2022 - V Brisbane MCG

Round 11 2023 V Freo MCG

Round 16 2023 - V GWS Alice

Round 22 2023 - V Carlton MCG

Qual final 2023 - V Collingwood MCG

Semi final 2023 - V Carlton MCG

Round 9 2024 - V Carlton MCG

Round 13 2024 - V Collingwood MCG

Round 20 2024 V GWS MCG

Round 12 2025 V St Kilda MCG

I excluded the Hawthorn game the other week as they absolutely schooled us in the last quarter and they were far from accurate themselves. I think supporters overrated our performance that game.

Odd that Carlton and Collingwood feature heavily on that list.

Hey BBP, just wanted to point out that our opponent on that day was Carlton…

YET ANOTHER EXCUSE TO WATCH THIS!

14 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Kind of ridiculous if he can't even fully admit to the issue for fear of upsetting the players.

There is more than one way of managing such things. You apparently seem to be suggesting Goodwin shout to the world that his players are the worst kicks for goal he's ever seen and despite efforts to fix the issue, nothing has worked.

While we all appear to agree with that generally*, I doubt it is the best way for a coach address the issue to the players.

* maybe we disagree on how much effort has been made to fix it and maybe the fault is parlty where we force players to shoot from etc, but 'generally' seems correct.

Edited June 6Jun 6 by sue

22 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Games since 2022 that we've either kicked ourselves out of it and/or the oppo has had incredibly unsustainable accuracy. I suspect it doesn't compare favourably to other sides.

Round 22 2022 - V Collingwood MCG

Semi final 2022 - V Brisbane MCG

Round 11 2023 V Freo MCG

Round 16 2023 - V GWS Alice

Round 22 2023 - V Carlton MCG

Qual final 2023 - V Collingwood MCG

Semi final 2023 - V Carlton MCG

Round 9 2024 - V Carlton MCG

Round 13 2024 - V Collingwood MCG

Round 20 2024 V GWS MCG

Round 12 2025 V St Kilda MCG

I excluded the Hawthorn game the other week as they absolutely schooled us in the last quarter and they were far from accurate themselves. I think supporters overrated our performance that game.

Odd that Carlton and Collingwood feature heavily on that list.

Thanks BBP. Lots of anger and disappointment amongst these games. We had so many opportunities to win games yet snatched defeat from the jaws of victory !!!

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Again, @WheeloRatings shows this. St Kilda’s shot map shows they kicked 8 goals from directly in front, 7 of which were within about 25m from goal. We barely had a shot from the same area.

St Kilda got too many easy looks inside 50, hence their accuracy. We had too many difficult shots, hence our inaccuracy.

Correct and this has basically been our main issue since 2022. It's a problem that Goodwin has not yet managed to solve no matter how many times he's told us that we're 'working incredibly hard' on it.

1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

Hey BBP, just wanted to point out that our opponent on that day was Carlton…

YET ANOTHER EXCUSE TO WATCH THIS!

Suffice to say that on my list of requested wins after the bye, the Carlton Saturday night game sits very high on the list.

Every loss to them is torture because they always beat us by under a kick.

For some reason when we play Carlton we either kick atrociously or they can't miss, or both.

45 minutes ago, sue said:

There is more than one way of managing such things. You apparently seem to be suggesting Goodwin shout to the world that his players are the worst kicks for goal he's ever seen and despite efforts to fix the issue, nothing has worked.

While we all appear to agree with that generally*, I doubt it is the best way for a coach address the issue to the players.

* maybe we disagree on how much effort has been made to fix it and maybe the fault is parlty where we force players to shoot from etc, but 'generally' seems correct.

Goodwin doesn't have to throw the players under the bus, but being honest about an area we're poor in and have been for a while is something every coach should be capable of doing. Goodwin is just so petrified of giving anything away to the media that he answers every question with rehersed nebulous waffle.

I honestly don't think it's an area we have prioritised at all. We rely on brute forcing our way to victory by dominating the front half game and overwhelming the opposition through sheer weight of numbers. Lock the ball inside 50 and eventually a goal will be kicked is how we want to win but it's no longer a reliable path to victory in the modern game.

saw the title Goalkicking- melbourne demons 1 minuet ago .And thought I wondered who kicked it ,where and how.I want video proof it was one of our players and not stunt double

14 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Something I'd agree with him on ..... as I've suggested elsewhere.

Two aspects. Technique and Mindfullness

It's not rocket science..

Both require application and repetition..

Also they are paid very well to kick a ball around which is the most basic part of a game called FOOTball

I'm very pleased and excited to announce that our crisp accuracy of 7.7% (1.12) for the second half V St Kilda is officially our fourth worst conversion in a half of football in the history of our club. THE HISTORY OF OUR CLUB.

We couldn't quite reach the lads effort back in 1907 (1.14) or the misfiring crew in 1979 against the Hawks (1.15) but it was still a mighty effort for our beloved 2025 group to hit the record books.

(incidentally our 12.2 in the first half against Freo was our 15th most accurate half of footy, ever)

Edited June 6Jun 6 by Bring-Back-Powell

3 hours ago, sue said:

There is more than one way of managing such things. You apparently seem to be suggesting Goodwin shout to the world that his players are the worst kicks for goal he's ever seen and despite efforts to fix the issue, nothing has worked.

While we all appear to agree with that generally*, I doubt it is the best way for a coach address the issue to the players.

* maybe we disagree on how much effort has been made to fix it and maybe the fault is parlty where we force players to shoot from etc, but 'generally' seems correct.

Agree, I think though Simon's message here has felt like 'we are working really hard on it and it will improve...' etc is what leaves us as supporters to feel disappointed.

Personally I'd like to hear him say "we're going to try something different", so as to let us know they know what we know. eg. what they are doing already isn't bloody working!