16 minutes ago, adonski said:

Their top 10 pick tied to Carlton + one of their forwards I'd hope!

Carlton’s first round pick + Lewis is the kind of deal that would go a long way to rebalancing our side

Hawks would never do it though and from all reports Trac is very invested atm, plus I still think he can play a good role for us up forward

Edited Sunday at 09:384 days by demoncat

Just now, demoncat said:

Carlton’s first round pick + Lewis is the kind of deal that would go a long way to rebalancing our side

Hawks would never do it though and from all reports Trac is very invested atm

Reckon the Hawx would jump at the chance at getting Trac across using draft picks only

Gives them their missing link especially with Will Day's durability issues

Jay Z makes up 90% of his trade stories but is also our journo of choice. The club might be part of this story.

The question is which key forward?

Gunston clearly not. Dear they aren’t trading. Ramsden I’m not convinced is good.

Mitch Lewis - nearly 8 years on a list. 72 games. 9 games a year.

Chol - Will be 29 next year. Runs very hot and cold.

I’d take either of them, but they’re stop gaps.

If we’re trading Tracc and going for a deeper rebuild we need picks rather than overpaying just to claim we landed a tall forward.

1 minute ago, adonski said:

Reckon the Hawx would jump at the chance at getting Trac across using draft picks only

Gives them their missing link especially with Will Day's durability issues

Oh 100%

I don’t think Carlton’s first pick alone is a good deal for us though, especially in such a compromised draft

It would definitely start a conversation though

On 02/08/2025 at 00:24, Pirlo said:

The basketball injury from 10 years ago when he was a teenager? What an absolute joke to bring that up.

Even dumber than bringing up Gawn smoking on the way to training when he was in his early 20s lol

On 30/07/2025 at 18:02, Pirlo said:

I still respect Petracca's standards and ability, but watching him on Instagram it is pretty clear football is no longer his no1 priority. I don't really blame him. He trains hard and is in great condition + he saw how quickly he could lose it all last year + he has a contract until he's 34 so there's no real need to graft for a club he's no longer totally invested in. But that doesn't mean I respect it as an MFC supporter.

Oliver is a shadow of himself and has been for years now. That final moment last week was emblematic. Whatever he once had seems to be gone. The club has bent over backwards to shield him from scrutiny after the tough love approach at the end of 23 didn't work.

Say what you will about either of them, but it is the most MFC thing ever that our two best midfielders since Flower have gone from young superstars with AAs and BnFs coming out of their arses to contractual millstones when they should be at their prime.

(he has a contract until he's 34 so there's no real need to graft for a club he's no longer totally invested in)

Just now, john delosa said:

(he has a contract until he's 34 so there's no real need to graft for a club he's no longer totally invested in)
And you know this how?
Are you frivy on his thoughts?

If I recall correctly, Trac's player manager doesn't have the ability to facilitate a trade. Jay Clarke is just spit balling here. The reason Trac is probably quiet is because he probably doesn't want to leave anymore.

Lever, Judd and Fritta far more likely to leave over Trac I reckon.

Can I just say I’m hoping like hell that they are both in the Red and Blue for the foreseeable future, really liked what I saw yesterday, they both not only look invested in their own form but both played a very unselfish inclusive game style that I haven’t seen for a while. Since round five we haven’t been hammered by any side apart from our ****ty last quarter vs Saints.

Christian Petracca wants to leave at season's end, writes Jay Clark, there's an obvious destination.

THE TACKLE 👉 bit.ly/45gbW7h

It’s another “I hate Melbourne “ article by Jay Clark. He’s a disruption journalist. Nothing like the great Mike Sheahan. Dees win by 83 … so let’s write a disruptive story. He’s tries too hard. Ps. He Loves the Cats.

Watching Jay Clark on First Crack. His argument about Tracc leaving is because he only attended 7 Centre Bounces on the weekend, and Goodwin is sending a message.

Or, as I saw it, we played a side with a weaker midfield we know we could beat without him, and we need to blood younger players in the midfield - like Windsor who attended the most centre bounces for the game.

He’s just making stuff up.

46 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Watching Jay Clark on First Crack. His argument about Tracc leaving is because he only attended 7 Centre Bounces on the weekend, and Goodwin is sending a message.

Or, as I saw it, we played a side with a weaker midfield we know we could beat without him, and we need to blood younger players in the midfield - like Windsor who attended the most centre bounces for the game.

He’s just making stuff up.

If that’s true, that’s in the top 5 dumbest takes of the season.

His co-host, David King, has been banging on for weeks about how we need to move on from the Trac, Oliver, Viney centre bounce brigade, and he isn’t exactly the only person to make that argument.

Can’t see it happening as Goodwin had confirmed they will be in the red & blue unless if they want a massive pay cut as the club want be paying the difference

On 02/07/2025 at 23:26, JTR said:

Once again, there are plenty of valid reasons (besides ordinary goal kicking) for why the 2022 and 2023 finals series ended up the way the did, the most crucial of which had absolutely zero to do with coaching.

And if you want to extend it further, in 2024 we had no Brayshaw, lost Petracca half way through the year, never had a 100% Oliver, no longer had Jordan or Harmes and were having to cover all these gaps with inexperienced 1st and 2nd year players.

Again, nothing to do with coaching.

On 02/07/2025 at 23:26, JTR said:

Once again, there are plenty of valid reasons (besides ordinary goal kicking) for why the 2022 and 2023 finals series ended up the way the did, the most crucial of which had absolutely zero to do with coaching.

And if you want to extend it further, in 2024 we had no Brayshaw, lost Petracca half way through the year, never had a 100% Oliver, no longer had Jordan or Harmes and were having to cover all these gaps with inexperienced 1st and 2nd year players.

Again, nothing to do with coaching.

Let’s be clear. What a good coach does is they heed the moment, they interpret the particular conditions of each game, each opposition (whether Sydney in that 2022 QF, or Collingwood in the 23 QF etc) and they use their power of ‘presidency’, of ‘master of ceremonies’, the moderator and manipulator of all conditions and energies flowing into that particular game (including the consideration of coming up against the magpie army in a QF not only the magpie team, including the pre-emptive energy that is commensurate to a plucky opposition in Sydney coming to the MCG), and this ‘coach’ with the foresight and some might say energetic witchcraft of sorts, perceiving multiplicitous elements to a single match both through foresight and in real-time as the match unfolds, PERMITS and ENABLES the best possible outcome for the POTENTIAL (players and their particular acumen, faculties and energies) of the team.

This Goodwin did not do.

Both in those crucial finals losses, AND with an all too familiar character, many losses (and even unconvincing wins for that matter!!) through time past.

NOTHING has changed in that regard.

Under Goodwin, this club and all its potential hits a LOW [censored] CEILING

And AMEN to those who recognise our flag year was witness to 1:our core group in their prime, 2: burgess (not just a fitness coach but a true no bs head on his shoulders), 3: assistants Mcartney (who got the most out of players like Clayton), Yze (clearly a significant connection with the players), AND the unique prospective momentum that comes with a club who has faced a long drought and by natural forces alone is heaving toward their first premiership in 6 decades.

Goodwin allies and associates: take a hard look at yourselves.

On 01/08/2025 at 09:56, SFebes said:

I do think the AFL needs to introduce the policy that if a contracted player wants to leave a club, then they void that current contract. Because in more ways than one, the original club gets screwed.

Why would that even need to be a rule? If Trac says I want to go we can either say yes or no. If we say yes we can tell him to work out his new terms with his next club.

If he gets offered a pay cut he doesn't like them he can choose to stay put.

4 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

If I recall correctly, Trac's player manager doesn't have the ability to facilitate a trade. Jay Clarke is just spit balling here. The reason Trac is probably quiet is because he probably doesn't want to leave anymore.

Lever, Judd and Fritta far more likely to leave over Trac I reckon.

Fritta is absolutely not going anywhere. Judd maybe, Lever who knows but Fritta won't be being traded.

1 hour ago, nextskipclaz said:

Let’s be clear. What a good coach does is they heed the moment, they interpret the particular conditions of each game, each opposition (whether Sydney in that 2022 QF, or Collingwood in the 23 QF etc) and they use their power of ‘presidency’, of ‘master of ceremonies’, the moderator and manipulator of all conditions and energies flowing into that particular game (including the consideration of coming up against the magpie army in a QF not only the magpie team, including the pre-emptive energy that is commensurate to a plucky opposition in Sydney coming to the MCG), and this ‘coach’ with the foresight and some might say energetic witchcraft of sorts, perceiving multiplicitous elements to a single match both through foresight and in real-time as the match unfolds, PERMITS and ENABLES the best possible outcome for the POTENTIAL (players and their particular acumen, faculties and energies) of the team.

This Goodwin did not do.

Both in those crucial finals losses, AND with an all too familiar character, many losses (and even unconvincing wins for that matter!!) through time past.

NOTHING has changed in that regard.

Under Goodwin, this club and all its potential hits a LOW [censored] CEILING

And AMEN to those who recognise our flag year was witness to 1:our core group in their prime, 2: burgess (not just a fitness coach but a true no bs head on his shoulders), 3: assistants Mcartney (who got the most out of players like Clayton), Yze (clearly a significant connection with the players), AND the unique prospective momentum that comes with a club who has faced a long drought and by natural forces alone is heaving toward their first premiership in 6 decades.

Goodwin allies and associates: take a hard look at yourselves.

I didn't see an 'edit' function, but what i didn't say was :

Included in a coaches acumen should be his ability to be dynamic in the way he can galvanize a group, and if he can't do it all the time because he's not getting through to the team, then he needs to RECOGNISE that limitation and outsource the input to INSPIRE the team to their potential (or to keep them evolving in their purpose both individually and as a team).

This might look like: bringing in alternative educational resources not only on football or pro sports but on life, philosophy, nature immersion, meditation, who knows what.

I'm not the [censored] guy to decide that, but the footy club has a world of resources at its disposal and a coach should understand the subtle sciences of team synergy that include players' INDIVIDUAL GROWTH (personal, experiential, cultural, spiritual, philosophical). Unfortunately the football day-to-day can be a very closed circuit of experience. But a man in a coaching job these days needs to be abreast of the complexities in young men's lives. NOTE: for this reason I think a younger coach makes sense for next year.

A coach needs to know his limitations, he's a single man prattling on about the same [censored] every week to the same guys; the reception to that will go through peaks and troughs, but Simon Goodwin doesn't seem like the kind of man with a sensitivity to this subtle science.

He might indeed be saying all the right things, but he has to also understand HOW to broadcast that to his players - i.e. he has to be more creative, rather than just being an ORATOR.

Unfortunately, he doesn't have a breadth of people skills in this way. He is a nice guy, amicable with the players, with a passable sense of humour (i guess), a passion for footy, but all of this is swathed in a kind of stoic, stubborn and somewhat brutish competitive etiquette that is blind to the subtler sciences of communication and curiosity in professional relationships. There is not enough dynamism. There is not enough REAL edge. There is not enough freshness, and true evolution within him - no matter how many words he says to the contrary.

SO the conclusion is that our ability to WIN and to have ENERGETIC BREAK THROUGHS in games is clipped and muted by what Simon Goodwin provides.

They will not arrive at that next level, so to speak. We will come close to winning the next 3 games, but we WON'T win because WINNING TAKES A DIFFERENT KIND OF ENERGY THAT GOODWIN IS NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE OR SUPPLY ANYMORE. It takes novelty. It takes dare. It takes real reinvention. NOT words to the public ABOUT reinvention.

IN fact, if the club and Goodwin were SERIOUS about REINVENTION and NOVELTY and DARE then guess what...: THEY WOULDN'T even WANT TO let alone HAVE TO talk about it publicly!!!!!!!

They'd just [censored] do it.

AS THE TAO TE CHING (a ancient book on the energetics of life) SAYS : "Let your workings remain a mystery. Just show people the results"

Edited Sunday at 17:184 days by nextskipclaz
why tf not

11 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Jay Z makes up 90% of his trade stories but is also our journo of choice. The club might be part of this story.

The question is which key forward?

Gunston clearly not. Dear they aren’t trading. Ramsden I’m not convinced is good.

Mitch Lewis - nearly 8 years on a list. 72 games. 9 games a year.

Chol - Will be 29 next year. Runs very hot and cold.

I’d take either of them, but they’re stop gaps.

If we’re trading Tracc and going for a deeper rebuild we need picks rather than overpaying just to claim we landed a tall forward.

With you on the KPF's, nothing of interest at the Hawks but I would also be dubious of picks in this draft...

8 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Can’t see it happening as Goodwin had confirmed they will be in the red & blue unless if they want a massive pay cut as the club want be paying the difference

I tend to agree on the basis of what we know or think we know. Ahh... but the Circus hasn't quite hit town yet though i can just make our their wagons at the town limits.

Much I suspect may turn on what if anything transpires at season's end.

10 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

If I recall correctly, Trac's player manager doesn't have the ability to facilitate a trade. Jay Clarke is just spit balling here. The reason Trac is probably quiet is because he probably doesn't want to leave anymore.

Lever, Judd and Fritta far more likely to leave over Trac I reckon.

Lever in demand at North and west coast

First round pick surplus to our new look team

4 hours ago, nextskipclaz said:

I didn't see an 'edit' function, but what i didn't say was :

Included in a coaches acumen should be his ability to be dynamic in the way he can galvanize a group, and if he can't do it all the time because he's not getting through to the team, then he needs to RECOGNISE that limitation and outsource the input to INSPIRE the team to their potential (or to keep them evolving in their purpose both individually and as a team).

This might look like: bringing in alternative educational resources not only on football or pro sports but on life, philosophy, nature immersion, meditation, who knows what.

I'm not the [censored] guy to decide that, but the footy club has a world of resources at its disposal and a coach should understand the subtle sciences of team synergy that include players' INDIVIDUAL GROWTH (personal, experiential, cultural, spiritual, philosophical). Unfortunately the football day-to-day can be a very closed circuit of experience. But a man in a coaching job these days needs to be abreast of the complexities in young men's lives. NOTE: for this reason I think a younger coach makes sense for next year.

A coach needs to know his limitations, he's a single man prattling on about the same [censored] every week to the same guys; the reception to that will go through peaks and troughs, but Simon Goodwin doesn't seem like the kind of man with a sensitivity to this subtle science.

He might indeed be saying all the right things, but he has to also understand HOW to broadcast that to his players - i.e. he has to be more creative, rather than just being an ORATOR.

Unfortunately, he doesn't have a breadth of people skills in this way. He is a nice guy, amicable with the players, with a passable sense of humour (i guess), a passion for footy, but all of this is swathed in a kind of stoic, stubborn and somewhat brutish competitive etiquette that is blind to the subtler sciences of communication and curiosity in professional relationships. There is not enough dynamism. There is not enough REAL edge. There is not enough freshness, and true evolution within him - no matter how many words he says to the contrary.

SO the conclusion is that our ability to WIN and to have ENERGETIC BREAK THROUGHS in games is clipped and muted by what Simon Goodwin provides.

They will not arrive at that next level, so to speak. We will come close to winning the next 3 games, but we WON'T win because WINNING TAKES A DIFFERENT KIND OF ENERGY THAT GOODWIN IS NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE OR SUPPLY ANYMORE. It takes novelty. It takes dare. It takes real reinvention. NOT words to the public ABOUT reinvention.

IN fact, if the club and Goodwin were SERIOUS about REINVENTION and NOVELTY and DARE then guess what...: THEY WOULDN'T even WANT TO let alone HAVE TO talk about it publicly!!!!!!!

They'd just [censored] do it.

AS THE TAO TE CHING (a ancient book on the energetics of life) SAYS : "Let your workings remain a mystery. Just show people the results"

Just to say this and the prior posting perfectly ( imho ) encapsulates the Goodwin predicament.

You've addressed the nuances which seem to escape some.

A mistake in my view is for many the question is " is Goodwin a good or bad coach ?" This goes to the simple criteria of ...is he capable.

As you correctly suggest the real litmus is... is he Able ? And this is where it becomes about limitations as the previous is about abilities. ( ironically)

Im reminded a little of Kyosaki who would profer, its not whether you can, but whether you will.

At Melbourne there's lots of things we could do,but we don't. .

This could/should be on another thread but thought to address your post where it is.

11 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

It’s another “I hate Melbourne “ article by Jay Clark. He’s a disruption journalist. Nothing like the great Mike Sheahan.

I'll take "I hate Melbourne" over "I barrack for Melbourne, but they should merge".

And what a surprise, it's one of Geelong Collingwood and Hawthorn. The EPL reference on an earlier page is particularly apt.

Article in the paper today about Trac.

Worth a read.