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So, onto tonight's game.

Barring a draw, there will be good news (one of them will lose) and bad news (one of them will win).

It's a choice between Ebola and Meningococcal.   

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    24 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

    So, onto tonight's game.

    Barring a draw, there will be good news (one of them will lose) and bad news (one of them will win).

    It's a choice between Ebola and Meningococcal.   

    Or typhoid v cholera ....

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    6 hours ago, M_9 said:

    Daniel Hoyne said on Monday that 4 of the last 5 premierships were won by teams that were top three in ball movement. By that he meant their goals emanated largely from their half back line. The inside 50 count was not a factor. 

    Our 2021 premiership was the exception.

    This gets mentioned a lot. Our method is not the easy way or common way premierships are won. Probably why we failed to win multiple flags. 

    The sooner we move to a turnover maximising , ball movement focused game plan , the better chance we’ll have at winning a flag. Hopefully well start to see more of this this year.

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    34 minutes ago, M_9 said:

    I only had 'half and ear' to the conversation. Whately (?) asked Hoyne about the importance of I50's cf ball movement and Hoyne gave the example of last year's GF where the Swans had only two fewer I50's (49-51) but lost by 10 goals.

    Whately then asked who you'd draft first - a good mid-fielder (clearance player) or a good half back. 

    I don't think Hoyne gave a definitive answer (both equally important, or have their role).

    BTW I don't know what 'ball movement ' means, or how you measure it. Scores from transition from your back half?

    I barely listen or watch any footy media anymore. I can't stand most of it. Hoyne is an exception. I really like him - he's the only media analyst i listen to regularly (via the sportsday pod on spotify which separates all the segments out meaning i don't have to listen to the other guff.

    I hadn't listened to him yet this year - did so on the train to work this morning. 

    Ball movement has been a hobby horse for Hoyne for a few seasons now. He was right on to it as something to 'watch' with the way the Pies started playing under McRae in 2022, and of course in 2023. 

    As you suggest by ball movement he is talking about transition from the 'defensive half'. As you suggest that is measured by goals from the defensive half.

    By the by its important to note that defensive half means the defensive side of the center line NOT a team's defensive area (eg from half back, or inside D50), as it's often conflated with. I say important because i think sometimes people assume transition happens from deep in a team's defence.

    The other key stat related to transition and ball movement is turnovers. The best transition teams (ball movement) create lots of turnovers thru their pressure and then move the ball down the field effectively (like GWS v pies). 

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    41 minutes ago, binman said:

    I barely listen or watch any footy media anymore. I can't stand most of it. Hoyne is an exception. I really like him - he's the only media analyst i listen to regularly (via the sportsday pod on spotify which separates all the segments out meaning i don't have to listen to the other guff.

    I hadn't listened to him yet this year - did so on the train to work this morning. 

    Ball movement has been a hobby horse for Hoyne for a few seasons now. He was right on to it as something to 'watch' with the way the Pies started playing under McRae in 2022, and of course in 2023. 

    As you suggest by ball movement he is talking about transition from the 'defensive half'. As you suggest that is measured by goals from the defensive half.

    By the by its important to note that defensive half means the defensive side of the center line NOT a team's defensive area (eg from half back, or inside D50), as it's often conflated with. I say important because i think sometimes people assume transition happens from deep in a team's defence.

    The other key stat related to transition and ball movement is turnovers. The best transition teams (ball movement) create lots of turnovers thru their pressure and then move the ball down the field effectively (like GWS v pies). 

    It’s not Rocket Science, so why have we not been playing that style?

    Create a Turnover and the opposition is automatically on the back foot ….

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    8 hours ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

    I’m sure the other car veered into his path and that he was only attempting to smother. Hope the driver of the other car was OK. 

    It's OK, he would have dropped off some flowers & a bottle of wine

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    10 hours ago, M_9 said:

    Daniel Hoyne said on Monday that 4 of the last 5 premierships were won by teams that were top three in ball movement. By that he meant their goals emanated largely from their half back line. The inside 50 count was not a factor. 

    Our 2021 premiership was the exception.

    @M_9 - please do not share facts from someone who knows his facts on Demonland.

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    51 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

    @M_9 - please do not share facts from someone who knows his facts on Demonland.

    Well, its not quite a fact.

    Hoyne didn't say it inside 50s were not a factor for those premiership winning teams - far from it.

    Of course it's a factor - just not as big a factor as it once was (reflecting the change in how the game is now played by tge best teams).

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    8 minutes ago, binman said:

    Well, its not quite a fact.

    Hoyne didn't say it inside 50s were not a factor for those premiership winning teams - far from it.

    Of course it's a factor - just not as big a factor as it once was (reflecting the change in how the game is now played by tge best teams).

    No but his clear mantra, for the 3 years I’ve been listening to him, is that the game has moved away from stoppage and territory dominance. Success now largely comes from being able to score off turnover and defend off your own turnover.

    We know that in 2022-24 we struggled with the turnover game relative to better sides. The big question for me on Sunday is what we try to do in that area of the game to improve on the last three years.

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    That's a lot of new faces   Blimey teddy

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    1 hour ago, binman said:

    Well, its not quite a fact.

    Hoyne didn't say it inside 50s were not a factor for those premiership winning teams - far from it.

    Of course it's a factor - just not as big a factor as it once was (reflecting the change in how the game is now played by tge best teams).

    Completely agree with your point Binman. But the data is the data. Unless a team can slingshot with precision off half back on a regular basis, ones chances of grabbing a flag are significantly reduced.

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    7 hours ago, Demonstone said:

    So, onto tonight's game.

    Barring a draw, there will be good news (one of them will lose) and bad news (one of them will win).

    It's a choice between Ebola and Meningococcal.   

    I loath Ess soooooooooo much I don't care who beats them!

     

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    2 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    I loath Ess soooooooooo much I don't care who beats them!

     

    I loath them both 100%
    i just want to see big hits tonight 

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    I loathe everything Essendon - jumper, players, supporters, arrogant board members, Dodoro, Sheedy etc... - and revel in their finals losing streak. Even my loathing for Pies or Blues is dwarfed by it. But there is something brazen, arrogant and totally unlikable about the current Hawks team that makes me want to slap people. Strutting around, selfies on the ground after games, stupid pre-organised goal celebrations. Yuk!!

    I won't go as far to say that I will barrack for the Bummers (never, no) but I do want them to win. Unfortunately I think the Hawks will win by 4-6 goals. 

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    Interested how a first up, against a already played one round, game goes, especially the first and last quarters 

    Edited by Kev

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    I'm actually tempted to go for Essendon tonight. My rationale being that their season will inevitably unravel spectacularly at some point and it's that anticipation I want to savour. In contrast Hawthorn need the arrogance knocked out of them now. 

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    Good insight right now into the conditioning perspective because Hawthorn have already played a full intensity game where as Essendon had the week off.

    Giants will be the same.

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    It's truly amazing how consistently the Hawthorn football club produces entire lists of hateable players.

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    Essendon, stop falling over.

    And look for options better. Loose players not being spotted going into F50.

    Hawthorn running forward looking very well drilled. And stuff me they can kick.

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    It's truly amazing how consistently the Hawthorn football club produces entire lists of hateable players.

    Yep. They really do embody the colours of their guernsy. 
     

    Annoying how they have just come from now where to be this good. They were just talking about how to set expectations with members for < 5 wins. 

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    These foot skills by Hawthorn are a bit disturbing.
     

    But not as disturbing as the state of the G. – with the best part of two more games on it before we are there. Pies should be playing somewhere else.

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