The Draft Pick Upgrade Thread

[Fat Tony 5,188]

3 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

That's definitely true, however when you have a top 5 pick your expecting that the midfielder you are drafting will be worthy of being frontline midfielder. It's not like we're drafting James Jordon with pick 5 and forcing him to play outside the centre square, we're clearly expecting to draft a better player than that. The only current player I'd say is a full time midfielder for us is Oliver, with Petracca and Viney both being potential forwards for us. Versatility is good but it's much more important for lesser players rather than the good ones because you want your good players near the ball as often as possible. 

Viney is not much of a forward IMO.

Given our list construct, with Petracca, Oliver, Viney and Pickett as good centre square players (assuming Oliver's hand heals) the perfect draftee for us would be a player who can play 2025 in a periphery role but can develop into a centre midfielder in future years. The Dogs drafted Rylie Sanders, who looks a centre midfield only, and they got limited value out of him this year as he wasn't able to play another role. By contrast, Windsor was able to play as a wing (or probably half back or half forward) and was more valuable this year.

I think the bigger centre circle and the 6,6,6 rule has made a difference in what types of midfielders do well at centre bounces and that skill and speed has become more important than grunt.

 

 

 

[adonski 11,059]

MELBOURNE has interest in trading its future first-round pick for one of the Fremantle's first-round selections this year as the Demons look to double-up on talent in the upcoming draft.

Fremantle list boss David Walls on Monday confirmed the Dockers have interest in flipping one of their three 2024 first-round picks into a 2025 first-round selection, depending on how their quest to land trade target Shai Bolton fares.

"That's definitely a chance. There's a lot of clubs keen to get back in so we'll see what happens at the end of trade period and see how many of the first-rounders we're still holding and if we've traded or not," Walls told Gettable Trade Radio on Monday.

"If we're still holding three, we'd definitely look to roll one forward because we think there's a strong market for it and we could get overs."

[old55 23,051]

I'm sure we'll be able to turn our F1 into a 1st rounder this year, there'll be quite a few on offer from teams with Academy, F/S or a glut of early 2024 picks. Clubs will fancy a Dee deathride in 2025.

[Demonland 70,559]

They have Picks 10, 11 & 18

 

[Nascent 8,794]

Presuming this falls over if they use picks 10 and 18 on Bolton.

 

[DubDee 24,766]

I wonder what pick 28 plus F1 would get us?

Most clubs would imagine us staying around where we are or improving a little I would say. Losing ANB, issues with Trac and Clarry, May and Gawn getting on, and no-one of note traded in most likely.  So F1 might be seen as pick 5-10.

Given how good this draft is, could we nab pick 8-13 from Freo/GC?

Having pick 6 and ~10 would be huge in this draft

[Roost it far 7,726]

The reverse deathride

[demoncat 1,059]

3 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Presuming this falls over if they use picks 10 and 18 on Bolton.

 

And I don’t think trading a future first for pick 18 (early 20s after bids) is good business at all unless a player we really rate slips to that pick on the night 

[DeeSpencer 24,955]

2 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Presuming this falls over if they use picks 10 and 18 on Bolton.

 

Not so much falls over but rolls over to Richmond, who might have 6 picks inside 23 and should be just as keen to move one back a year.

But I can also see us making a move on 11 if the Bolton deal stalls and then Freo offering Richmond 10 and perhaps a Freo future first.

Richmond death ride Freo to get Bolton value.

Freo death ride us to come out of the Bolton deal looking sharper.

[Nascent 8,794]

6 minutes ago, demoncat said:

And I don’t think trading a future first for pick 18 (early 20s after bids) is good business at all unless a player we really rate slips to that pick on the night 

I would hope it would be pick 10 or 11 but yes, f1 for pick 18 is a risky play.

Edited Monday at 07:15 by Nascent

[adonski 11,059]

7 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I wonder what pick 28 plus F1 would get us?

Most clubs would imagine us staying around where we are or improving a little I would say. Losing ANB, issues with Trac and Clarry, May and Gawn getting on, and no-one of note traded in most likely.  So F1 might be seen as pick 5-10.

Given how good this draft is, could we nab pick 8-13 from Freo/GC?

Having pick 6 and ~10 would be huge in this draft

I'd be hoping we retain #28, too good a pick to throw away

[TheoX 1,222]

Surely it wouldn't be for 18, which will blow out to 20+ after bids

[DubDee 24,766]

12 minutes ago, adonski said:

I'd be hoping we retain #28, too good a pick to throw away

certainly wouldn’t consider throwing it away but if it gets us another top 10 pick it would be great

[spirit of norm smith 15,538]

Agree super risky given the academy and father son picks.  The player trades should all happen first.   Likely we will wait to see how Freo negotiates other deals and what if any pick retains. Picks can be traded on an ongoing basis right through to live on draft night 

[The Jackson FIX 2,875]

Reverse death ride!

Our tussles with Fremantle are more interesting off the field.

Lamby knows what the people want.

[JJJ 1,142]

We’ve done this before and managed to get back into the first round 12 months later. It’s safe to say, the club thinks this is a good draft to sink their teeth into.

[ChaserJ 4,825]

The way I read it, Fremantle happy to consider trade of whichever of 10 or 11 remains after Bolton trade. Or we jump in first, add a sweetener that helps get Bolton over the line.

[bing181 9,133]

1 hour ago, demoncat said:

And I don’t think trading a future first for pick 18 (early 20s after bids) is good business at all unless a player we really rate slips to that pick on the night 

If we finish up near the pointy end of the ladder and win a final or two and then you throw in Academy and F/S picks, trade compensation picks etc., that F1 could easily end up not far off pick 18.

[Jaded No More 68,690]

14 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

The way I read it, Fremantle happy to consider trade of whichever of 10 or 11 remains after Bolton trade. Or we jump in first, add a sweetener that helps get Bolton over the line.

F1 and pick 28 for Pick 10? 

Giving us pick 5 + pick 10, plus the second rounder that we got from the Swans for Grundy. 
 

[djr 1,377]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

They have Picks 10, 11 & 18

 

I wonder if we might be interested in trading our P5 for P10 & P11. Freo offers their F1 and P18 for Bolton.

[ChaserJ 4,825]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

F1 and pick 28 for Pick 10? 

Giving us pick 5 + pick 10, plus the second rounder that we got from the Swans for Grundy. 
 

Tiges would find it hard to knock back 11, 18 & 28, so could work. We’d hopefully start with an offer of f1 + the Grundy pick, but I’d fall back to 28 to get that deal done.

[ChaserJ 4,825]

From the Age's trade article today:

"In other trade news, Melbourne are interested in securing one of Fremantle’s first-round picks to have an even stronger presence in this year’s draft, repeating a formula that worked well for them in their rebuild by securing two top-10 picks.

The Demons, who already hold pick five, could get their hands on the Dockers’ No.10 or 11, in exchange for a future first-round selection and other assets to give them two high picks in a deep draft.

The Dockers are open to the prospect, having put two of their three first-rounders on the table for contracted Richmond forward Shai Bolton. They are happy to trade picks 11 and 18 for Bolton, but refuse to hand over both 10 and 11."

From: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/giants-weigh-up-a-play-for-jake-stringer-as-the-bombers-hold-firm-20241007-p5kgh6.html

[dazzledavey36 53,343]

With the potential bid of Kako inside top 10 there is a fair chance we could go after Essendons pick 9.

[old55 23,051]

15 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

The way I read it, Fremantle happy to consider trade of whichever of 10 or 11 remains after Bolton trade. Or we jump in first, add a sweetener that helps get Bolton over the line.

With clubs scrambling for 1st rounders I think it's unlikely that Freo will trade all 3 of theirs away. I think we might get access to 10 or 11 at Freo if the Bolton trade fails or get access to it at Richmond if it succeeds.

[SFebes 4,868]

Based on what I've seen, surely Bolton isn't worth a 10 or 11 plus 18? He's flaky asf.