17 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Alot of drama is being made of late picks used on depth players, yes they have failed, but l am more focussed on getting and using our top picks such as windsor and kolt. houston is overpriced in my view also

They are not depth players if they can't play a role at AFL level, or aren't good enough to be selected. Meanwhile other clubs are picking up quality kids with equivalent picks, or recruiting players that fulfill a need.

When we played our best football, our Casey side was just as strong as our AFL one.

Tom Campbell shouldn’t make our AFL side better but having the best VFL ruck on our list certainly helps our Casey squad and fringe mids.

The strength of the entire squad is just as important as the AFL

1 hour ago, BAMF said:

Max Gawn was drafted in 2009. 

2010 = 0 games

2011 = 4 games

2012 = 0 games.

4 games in three years before he went on to develop into one of the best ruckman of all time.

Rucks take longer.

Plus most of those 3 years were spent trying to give up the darts

13 minutes ago, BW511 said:

When we played our best football, our Casey side was just as strong as our AFL one.

Tom Campbell shouldn’t make our AFL side better but having the best VFL ruck on our list certainly helps our Casey squad and fringe mids.

The strength of the entire squad is just as important as the AFL

We had a strong Casey side with experienced Casey affiliated players and developing young Melbourne players. Those Casey players are leaving the club, and we are left with rejects from other clubs who didn't see themselves as VFL players when we courted them.

I'm sure Tom Campbell will be good at Casey, but why not go for a mature aged state league ruckman with 5-7 years ahead of him, and a hunger to become an AFL player.

21 hours ago, SthSea22 said:

#24 Joel Jeffrey - Suns playing for Wanderers

#9 Wade Derksen - Nightcliff

#29 AMW - Nightcliff

 

For all those south of the Berrimah line. Nightcliff ‘Tigers’ in traditional yellow and black. Wanderers in the non-descript blue and yellow.

Edited October 7, 2024Oct 7 by Tarax Club

3 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Verrall has been on the list for two years, that would suggest we have failed in the necessary development phase. Casey is a bit of joke at the moment.

Second only to the galoots that run this basket case of a competition🤮

18 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Trade period runs for ten days.  Let's not lose our lunch on the morning of day one.

1 hour ago, mo64 said:

It's the same person/people who re-signed Schache for another year. However, according to many on here the decisions were justifiable because Fullarton and Schache were cheap depth, lol.

Hopefully the football department review weeds out the incompetent decision makers from the past 3 years.

i think there is a complete disconnect between list management team and coaching.  why bring someone to the club and never play them in the role in which they were brought in for....so many examples of this over last few years.

4 hours ago, picket fence said:

Can someone explain exactly WHY we ever got Fullarton??? Rucks at Casey, but not a forward! Whoever decided he was worth a list spot should be shown the door!

Fullerton is not a ruckman and never will be - he should be told that if he is to remain on the list he needs to focus on becoming a KPF or KPD

Its really that simple - his 2024 was ruined by injury and not being played in the positions he is most suited to 

I’m prepared to reserve judgement on Tom until the end of next season hopefully he gets a good run with injury and they abandon the ruck experiment now Campbell is on the list 

4 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Verrall has been on the list for two years, that would suggest we have failed in the necessary development phase. Casey is a bit of joke at the moment.

Most ruckmen are pretty useless until their body fills out. Gotta give them 4-5 years before they're really ready.

4 hours ago, BAMF said:

Max Gawn was drafted in 2009. 

2010 = 0 games

2011 = 4 games

2012 = 0 games.

4 games in three years before he went on to develop into one of the best ruckman of all time.

Rucks take longer.

I was more of the opinion that Verrall was sitting on the bench while Fullarton was getting more time in the ruck. Similar to Jefferson whose first year was basically playing second fiddle to Brown and Schace

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

Most ruckmen are pretty useless until their body fills out. Gotta give them 4-5 years before they're really ready.

Luke Jackson says hi 👋 

22 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Luke Jackson says hi 👋 

The key word being most.

4 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Rucks definitely do take longer, but for context here Gawn missed most of 2010 with an ACL injury, and missed the entire 2012 season with another ACL. In 2011 he was primarily tried as a forward behind 2010 All-Australian Mark Jamar.

They were also using Spencer ahead of him in the ruck at Casey...

 

2 hours ago, Sydee said:

Luke Jackson says hi 👋 

Jackson was an anomaly. How many other rucks over the past 10-20 years were virtually ready to go like he was? It's no secret the majority take much longer to develop.

21 hours ago, godees said:

Pretty pathetic by GWS not to consider a trade. They have heaps of depth in KP players, he has family reasons to want to be in Melbourne and they haven’t given him a game. Hardly a player to really put your foot down on. I hope he leaves next year for nothing.

We granted Neal-Bullen's request but GWS didn't. We are a compassionate club.

He's got buckley's chance of getting a game in 2025 for BWS with the key backs and forwards in their arsenal.

Holding him for depth, please!!!

Let the fella go play, how selfish do you want to be.

Hopefully if GWS manage to get Stringer to head up to them it will allow Derksen to move. Stringer would be yet another player ahead of Derksen in that GWS forward line

Bloke is 23yo and has 3 kids?!

Clearly Can hit a target and can kick a goal

22 hours ago, godees said:

Pretty pathetic by GWS not to consider a trade. They have heaps of depth in KP players, he has family reasons to want to be in Melbourne and they haven’t given him a game. Hardly a player to really put your foot down on. I hope he leaves next year for nothing.

Is there a position available for ground manager at Casey that pays well? Might at least allow him and the family to relocate. 

On 06/10/2024 at 18:01, DeeSpencer said:

But good list management means you all but disregard a players draft spot the moment the draft is finish. It’s largely irrelevant. Forget draft position, he’s a young tall who’s shown promise at both ends.

The better argument is Jeffo is 20 and Wade is 23. 

So not only has he had more time as a mature body ready to play games he’s also now at the stage where you’re almost harming his career if you don’t get games in to him.

That said, he was the one who chose financial security signing on for 2 years at the end of last year knowing he was down the pecking order. He could’ve done a 1 year deal and be guaranteed to be on the way out. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Quite a few try now DS. Look at the number of players wanting to move this year with 2 and 3 years left on contracts. It seems a contract is only a contract as long as the player wants. 

I think it will still get done

1 hour ago, DiscoStu17 said:

Is there a position available for ground manager at Casey that pays well? Might at least allow him and the family to relocate. 

We can get him to start work at the Caulfield redevelopment.

38 minutes ago, mo64 said:

We can get him to start work at the Caulfield redevelopment.

1 man would take at least 50+ years to get it done on his own. Even so by 2074 he’d probably finish it before we’ve even made an announcement of where we’d build, so better not risk it………….not the best time for the club to look foolish