Does the club need a full and external review?

[He de mon 942]

21 minutes ago, BDA said:

Yes as long as the review has been conducted independently

So it should be someone who has or had no affiliation with the club?

[waynewussell 6,886]

I was against having an external review (I was never against an internal review). I'm a 'close ranks when under fire' sort of person and when we were being bombarded from all quarters, I preferred to trust those we have in official elected/appointed positions. However, I acknowledge the strong feelings of many MFC supporters and ex-players and ex-officials, who think that an external review is required. I haven't seen a transcript of what Nathan Jones has said, but he is the tipping point for me... bring it on!

[layzie 34,326]

Geoff Walsh has good experience in this area. 

 

[Moonshadow 17,678]

4 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Of course if you don't have the ability to debate, it is easier to fall back on personal insults.

Don't need an apology. I am used to having a battle of wits with unarmed posters on here.

 

The Donald Trump of Demonland

🙄

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

The Donald Trump of Demonland

🙄

Damn and I thought the irony would slip through, it was a good try though 🤪

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

1 hour ago, waynewussell said:

I was against having an external review (I was never against an internal review). I'm a 'close ranks when under fire' sort of person and when we were being bombarded from all quarters, I preferred to trust those we have in official elected/appointed positions. However, I acknowledge the strong feelings of many MFC supporters and ex-players and ex-officials, who think that an external review is required. I haven't seen a transcript of what Nathan Jones has said, but he is the tipping point for me... bring it on!

Did he say it, or just reported as saying it

Interviewer "Jonesy, do you think a review would be helpful in the present situation?"

Jonesy "probably"

 

 

[Ferghus31 97]

The Coach and Fitness areas are in need of a shake up just look at our AFLW Coach his assistants and Fitness staff they provide a great Enviorment for the Players and have respect I cannot say the same For Goodwin 

[Dr Don Duffy 105]

On 02/09/2024 at 00:34, Satyriconhome said:

 

 

You pride yourself on talking to players/FD staff/officials. 

In a number of posts your tone about Peter Lawrence has been quite, well nasty really.

I assume you haven’t taken the time to talk to or contact Peter Lawrence? I have found him to be an affable person and happy to engage with fellow Demon tragics. It’s not hard to make contact with him, and you might learn something. 

 

Edited September 3, 2024 by Dr Don Duffy

[DeeZone 10,396]

Have we acquiesced to the press and the kindly Mr Lawrence, None of whom have been elected to the Board of the MFC, if a Complete Review of our recently successful club is undertaken by an External organisation it could turn into a complete mess, witch hunt even. The club could really become destabilised and set back years. Be careful of what you clamour for.

[Sir Why You Little 37,302]

5 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Have we acquiesced to the press and the kindly Mr Lawrence, None of whom have been elected to the Board of the MFC, if a Complete Review of our recently successful club is undertaken by an External organisation it could turn into a complete mess, witch hunt even. The club could really become destabilised and set back years. Be careful of what you clamour for.

There is a certain Court Case that could do exactly the same thing, so it may well be worth doing the external review, before that happens…

[waynewussell 6,886]

 

[Earl Hood 6,141]

4 hours ago, sue said:

How about an external review of the AFL?

Now your talking and especially the MRO and Jeff Gleeson! 

[Monbon 1,840]

On 02/09/2024 at 13:17, Dante said:

If you're referring to me as the newly arrived, do-gooder football supporter then you've gone off the rails. I've been a supporter all my life and attended the 1960 and 1964 Grand Final wins. Yourself? 

Also, who said the football club had the best culture for 40 years? Pert? He would say that, wouldn't he.

Sacre Blue: you get around, Il Signor Dante. And you had time to write The Divine Comedy AND The Inferno!!!

[Lucifers Hero 40,509]

2 hours ago, waynewussell said:

 

That brings back memories.  In the 90's I would see his and other muso's concerts ( Vikka and Linda Bull, Vince Jones (until he lost the plot) , Archie Roach etc) at The Continental (The Conti) in Prahran.  A little gem of a place; small room with cabaret style layout: tables near the low stage and a few stools at the bar to the rear.

I chuckle that today, Paul Kelly is famous among the young brigade!  Not sure if they have musical heroes of their own generation...🤷‍♀️

 

Edited September 3, 2024 by Lucifers Hero

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,935]

1. I believe we need a review
2. I have reviewed the Club over the last three weeks
3. I recommend a review.

[daisycutter 29,892]

I'm not against an external review

but don't kid yourselves the external "independent" reviews are the be all and end.

the terms of reference (which you will probably never know) are absolutely key here

most organisations who open themselves up to a review like to carefully curate the process, set the limits and importantly pay the reviewer who operates under conditions of privacy including the findings.

we've all seen plenty of political reviews/inquiries/whatever where the end result was predetermined or at least managed.

so, have a review but don't get your expectations unrealistically high

 

[Deeoldfart 8,104]

22 hours ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

See below.

Edited September 3, 2024 by Deeoldfart

[Superunknown 4,240]

8 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I don't agree with you, your definition of not listening?

Unfortunately I think there will be an external review driven by the media noise to shut it up

And what do you expect it to find?

Hypothetical, should the following have external reviews:

Collingwood premiership to not qualifying.

Essendon, another false dawn.

Fremantle, Jackson is the missing link.

Gold Coast and North, let us hire the messiah coach and with the lists we have.

St Kilda, only started to play when pressure was off.

West Coast, did Simpson stay too long and why are coaches saying they are not interested.

 

Those comparisons are inapt.

[Superunknown 4,240]

1 minute ago, Deeoldfart said:

21 hours ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

Easily done.  The club knows how many times the card/phone was scanned for each membership.  Just refuse to renew their membership if too low.  They may well have other interests or family duties preventing attendance but are renewing out of loyalty.  So win-win if MFC knock them back.

Expand  

Right so punishing the most loyal - super business, that.

[Lucifers Hero 40,509]

25 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

most organisations who open themselves up to a review like to carefully curate the process, set the limits and importantly pay the reviewer who operates under conditions of privacy including the findings.

we've all seen plenty of political reviews/inquiries/whatever where the end result was predetermined or at least managed.

Agree 100%, dc

At one stage, I worked for a large Management Consulting company and what you describe was the client's MO every single time, - regardless of the industry or size.

imv, an organisation wide review should be commissioned by the Board.  If the scope is narrower then Pert but hopefully it is organisation wide.

 

Edited September 3, 2024 by Lucifers Hero

[Sir Why You Little 37,302]

40 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

That brings back memories.  In the 90's I would see his and other muso's concerts ( Vikka and Linda Bull, Vince Jones (until he lost the plot) , Archie Roach etc) at The Continental (The Conti) in Prahran.  A little gem of a place; small room with cabaret style layout: tables near the low stage and a few stools at the bar to the rear.

I chuckle that today, Paul Kelly is famous among the young brigade!  Not sure if they have musical heroes of their own generation...🤷‍♀️

 

We probably went to many of the same gigs Luci

I spent a lot of time at the Conti back then

[Lucifers Hero 40,509]

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We probably went to many of the same gigs Luci

I spent a lot of time at the Conti back then

Small world, eh!

Very sad day when The Conti closed down.

[Biffen 12,949]

7 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

If you answered the questions instead of obfuscating then we might get somewhere, I will close off now, would not like to cause you irreparable damage not only to your psyche but also your reputation on here.

I'm prepared to risk it all!!!

[daisycutter 29,892]

8 minutes ago, Biffen said:

I'm prepared to risk it all!!!

that's the spirit, biffo.  take one for the team, i say

[Biffen 12,949]

7 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

that's the spirit, biffo.  take one for the team, i say

When it comes to self- sacrifice I'm much like the bugler at the start of Peter Sellers "The Party".