Pert and Roffey - The Review Thread

[bing181 8,897]

1 hour ago, Storm Boy said:

I'm very happy that Brad Green has come in with a hands on approach with external review of the Football Department to happen immediately.

Giving him too much credit. Initiatives like this aren't put in place overnight.

[Sir Why You Little 36,585]

2 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Giving him too much credit. Initiatives like this aren't put in place overnight.

48 hours?

[Dr Don Duffy 76]

33 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

"Melbourne will complete an external review of the club in a stunning backflip on its approach to the on and off-field problems which have plagued the Demons.

The Herald Sun understands Melbourne is preparing to complete a full-scale independent review of the club’s performance in the football department and other senior positions after a turbulent year.

 

The Demons have repeatedly denied they needed an external review but have buckled to calls to open the club’s operations to outside sporting experts to review operations.

Melbourne great David Schwarz led the charge for a “top-to-bottom” review in the Herald Sun on August 14 in the wake of Christian Petracca’s bombshell decision to explore a trade.

 

The thorough audit will involve people with considerable experience in successful sporting organisations including former All Blacks manager and culture and leadership specialist Darren Shand.

 

At least one highly-respected AFL figure, such as administrator Geoff Walsh who reviewed Carlton and North Melbourne recently, is also tipped to be involved.

The club is in the process of approaching individuals with necessary skills to help identify and fix the problems which have hampered the club and led to the resignation of president Kate Roffey last week.

 

But Roffey may not be the only major departure as the review is expected to analyse the performance of all key roles in the football department.

Coach Simon Goodwin is contracted until the end of 2026. His right-hand man is football manager Alan Richardson. 

 

Club great Brad Green will step in to fill in for Roffey as president while the Demons attempt to convince 200-game former Demon and ex MCC president Steven Smith to accept a board position.

 

The external review will be welcomed by the club’s supporters who are eager for the club to address the cultural and on-field issues which have troubled the Demons since the 2021 premiership.

 

The club has not won a final since the flag and missed the finals in 2024. 

Chief executive Gary Pert said in a pre-season interview the club had the best culture he had seen in 40 years but there has been recent acknowledgment the club needed to face its issues.

 

The club hopes an external review can help mend the issues Petracca has spoken about explicitly in recent weeks to club leaders after considering a trade including the professionalism and standards of the player group.

 

The review will be aimed to draw a line on the issues and lead to a fresh start for the club next season with a list which remains one of the most talented in the league.

Melbourne list boss Tim Lamb is spearheading the club’s mission to attract new talent to the club, including another prime big man, amid the turbulence.

 

Port Adelaide playmaker Dan Houston initially wanted to land at the club but ruled out Melbourne after the Petracca revelations."

A later report from Jay Clark says that Pert is going to be overseeing the review, along with Shand and Green.

After Pert’s running commentary on things expect a “nothing to see here” report. Either that or the boot-studders and water-bottle carriers are going to be in big trouble to carry the can. 

Edited September 8 by Dr Don Duffy

[dazzledavey36 52,695]

9 minutes ago, Dr Don Duffy said:

A later report from Jay Clark says that Pert is going to be overseeing the review, along with Shand and Green.

After Pert’s running commentary on things expect a “nothing to see here” report. Either that or the boot-studders and water-bottle carriers are going to be in big trouble to carry the can. 

Gotta be a pisstake surely..

[Adam The God 29,294]

2 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

If there is a review it has to be "top to bottom" as Whateley suggested to Kate. Nothing official from the Club yet. If it's happening, kudos to Deemocracy I reckon.

Yep, we owe quite a bit to Deemocracy as of late.

[Demon Disciple 11,607]

23 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Gotta be a pisstake surely..

Pert should be as far away from this review as possible, as should any other MFC employee for that matter.

[layzie 32,733]

46 minutes ago, Dr Don Duffy said:

A later report from Jay Clark says that Pert is going to be overseeing the review, along with Shand and Green.

After Pert’s running commentary on things expect a “nothing to see here” report. Either that or the boot-studders and water-bottle carriers are going to be in big trouble to carry the can. 

[bing181 8,897]

1 hour ago, Dr Don Duffy said:

A later report from Jay Clark says that Pert is going to be overseeing the review, along with Shand and Green.

After Pert’s running commentary on things expect a “nothing to see here” report. Either that or the boot-studders and water-bottle carriers are going to be in big trouble to carry the can. 

From what I've read on him, Shand isn't going to be involved in something that's just window-dressing. But you only have to look at his background (sports/performance/rteam-building) to know where the focus will be.

You don't bring in someone like Shand to review the admin, it's not really his speciality and there are plenty of people on the Board who are capable of doing that. (Which is also why they're there.)

Edited September 8 by bing181

[Adam The God 29,294]

1 hour ago, Dr Don Duffy said:

A later report from Jay Clark says that Pert is going to be overseeing the review, along with Shand and Green.

After Pert’s running commentary on things expect a “nothing to see here” report. Either that or the boot-studders and water-bottle carriers are going to be in big trouble to carry the can. 

Surely not? If true, what a joke.

[Sir Windsor 144]

The Footy Dept is the #1 thing to get right and should take precedent. A whole of club review would be a mammoth change and is overkill. 

I suspect once Smith comes in and the other board vacancies are filled a Management review will be commissioned. 

A FD review will get to the heart of many issues and will pull back the veil of secrecy on many of our publicised issues: player behaviour, game plan, standards etc. There will be lots of change - much will take time and likely require new personnel. 
 

I can see Lamby leaving.

McQualter probably goes to Eagles

Richo ? Hard to say

Goody maybe out on notice. No more contract tensions until next year. 

 

[spirit of norm smith 15,063]

Pert overseeing his own performance.  
That’s part of the problem!! 

The external part gets a diluted in my view.   

[Kent 2,856]

14 hours ago, H_T said:

It needs to be an independent external review or serious issues swept under the rug will re-appear in 2025. Count on it.

Exactly who writes  the terms of reference?

 

[Kent 2,856]

10 hours ago, seventyfour said:

Unfortunately a review all but eliminates any shot at the flag next year imo.

We need it, for the future, but it'll be harmful for 2025.

we didnt have a shot in my view until this [censored] gets sorted out AGAIN!!!!

[Hawk the Demon 738]

10 hours ago, bing181 said:

From what I've read on him, Shand isn't going to be involved in something that's just window-dressing. But you only have to look at his background (sports/performance/rteam-building) to know where the focus will be.

You don't bring in someone like Shand to review the admin, it's not really his speciality and there are plenty of people on the Board who are capable of doing that. (Which is also why they're there.)

So nothing external when it comes to reviewing the Board or the admin?

[Mister Ed 305]

4 hours ago, Kent said:

Exactly who writes  the terms of reference?

 

Why not a panel consisting of Robbo, Purple, Tom Morris and Jay Clark. They know exactly what’s going on at the club.

[FreedFromDesire 589]

11 hours ago, bing181 said:

From what I've read on him, Shand isn't going to be involved in something that's just window-dressing. But you only have to look at his background (sports/performance/rteam-building) to know where the focus will be.

You don't bring in someone like Shand to review the admin, it's not really his speciality and there are plenty of people on the Board who are capable of doing that. (Which is also why they're there.)

I'm not 100% sure on that. He does seem to talk about culture and how it applies to high performance in a business perspective. I don't think it will be just football related.

The below is an interesting read:

“I sat on the executive of the organisation because a lot of decisions that were made commercially, financially, and legally, impacted the team and performance. So I needed to be part of that conversation and provide an All Blacks perspective to everything within New Zealand Rugby."

Darren Shand on what he learned from 20 years of managing the All Blacks – Money Talks

[dino rover 700]

On 03/09/2024 at 19:51, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Top post @dino rover. There is a significant body of research supporting the Dunning-Kruger effect, which describes how individuals with low ability in a particular domain often overestimate their competence. Recent studies delve deeper into this phenomenon, suggesting that the most dangerous person in any organisation may be the one who is both incompetent and unaware of their incompetence. This combination can lead to overconfidence, poor decision-making, and an inability to recognize or correct errors, potentially causing significant harm to the organisation and its stakeholders.

I found it interesting 

apparently Branson explains his success as not be being the smartest guy in the room but consulting and convening the smartest

i thought in the context of our President and her ability as a media performer it was relevant to consider her role and need to steer not row

also to reflect on some posts and posters

[Fritta and Turner 4,181]

4 minutes ago, dino rover said:

apparently Branson explains his success as not be being the smartest guy in the room but consulting and convening the smartest

yep if you havent got a specific skill get someone who has

[At the break of Gawn 4,402]

Can someone please explain to me the Garry Pert hate? Genuinely interested in the rationale.

Aren’t all our problems essentially with the footy department or is there something that I’m missing?

[buck_nekkid 5,818]

Will the results of the review be shared with members?

[Deemania since 56 6,549]

14 hours ago, Dr Don Duffy said:

A later report from Jay Clark says that Pert is going to be overseeing the review, along with Shand and Green.

After Pert’s running commentary on things expect a “nothing to see here” report. Either that or the boot-studders and water-bottle carriers are going to be in big trouble to carry the can. 

I suspect that both Roffey and Pert never wanted a full external review (and still would not assist its invocation) for perhaps, a variety of reasons - yet the fans speaking to fans seem to support such a move wholeheartedly. I would prefer such a review to take place under an external governance, not involving Pert in its agenda or governance/influence, so that it remains fully non-biased, or too close to incredibility or 'steered' when disappointments and unfavourable elements may arise. Bring it on, seek the truth, fly the flag, not the reputations. I have full support for the opinions and intents of Neita, Tracca and Green; independent reviews can thus cross into sacrosanct areas should there be a need; if not, let the truth and foci be explored. We want a healthy Club; not a Club of also-rans.

[FreedFromDesire 589]

14 hours ago, Dr Don Duffy said:

A later report from Jay Clark says that Pert is going to be overseeing the review, along with Shand and Green.

After Pert’s running commentary on things expect a “nothing to see here” report. Either that or the boot-studders and water-bottle carriers are going to be in big trouble to carry the can. 

Perhaps worth waiting to see what actually happens and what actions take place as an outcome of the review before leaping to criticisms based off one journalists report. The club has begun the process by bringing in someone who seems to have a good understanding of operating in this space so I think it's now worth us seeing how it progresses.

I understand that you have views of Pert shaped by the experiences you've conveyed on behalf or Peter Lawrence, and I'm not sure which side of the fence I'm on with Gary, but not long ago we didn't even think any kind of external review was going to be done, so at least there's some movement there that previously wasn't going to happen under Roffey.

For what it's worth, I've heard that Shand will very much be in charge of the review.

[Hawk the Demon 738]

26 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

I suspect that both Roffey and Pert never wanted a full external review (and still would not assist its invocation) for perhaps, a variety of reasons - yet the fans speaking to fans seem to support such a move wholeheartedly. I would prefer such a review to take place under an external governance, not involving Pert in its agenda or governance/influence, so that it remains fully non-biased, or too close to incredibility or 'steered' when disappointments and unfavourable elements may arise. Bring it on, seek the truth, fly the flag, not the reputations. I have full support for the opinions and intents of Neita, Tracca and Green; independent reviews can thus cross into sacrosanct areas should there be a need; if not, let the truth and foci be explored. We want a healthy Club; not a Club of also-rans.

Nice post. According to Jay Clark, Darren Shand already spent a week at the Club earlier in the season (Kate referred to this in the her fateful interview), so one could say he is "already on the payroll". His hasty inclusion in the process allows the Club to use the word "external" when it patently isn't. Reminds me of the Candidate Assessment process the Board used where candidates were interviewed by a majority of existing directors, with an executive recruitment specialist rubber-stamping the conclusions. That's played out well as Brad said, re the Board, will "be honest with each other about where we have succeeded and where we could have done better".

[FreedFromDesire 589]

46 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Nice post. According to Jay Clark, Darren Shand already spent a week at the Club earlier in the season (Kate referred to this in the her fateful interview), so one could say he is "already on the payroll". His hasty inclusion in the process allows the Club to use the word "external" when it patently isn't. Reminds me of the Candidate Assessment process the Board used where candidates were interviewed by a majority of existing directors, with an executive recruitment specialist rubber-stamping the conclusions. That's played out well as Brad said, re the Board, will "be honest with each other about where we have succeeded and where we could have done better".

I understand the contextual background to which you post and why you feel this way, but I think this is pretty insulting to Darren Shand who is by all reports a fantastic leader whose responsibility was wide-ranging with the All Blacks as he lead them through a hugely successful era.

To think someone with the background and respect he has in the sport and business communities is merely a 'rubber stamp' seems not based in truth but based in the narrative you wish to push - hence the reference to the board candidate process when it's not relevant whatsoever.

Having someone of Darren's caliber come in to lead a review is a fantastic outcome in my view, and so far it seems those complaining about it would have done so no matter what the club had chosen to do. It does no one any favours being so negative and agitated about this before there are outcomes, let alone before it's even begun.

Edited September 9 by FreedFromDesire

[He de mon 871]

43 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

His hasty inclusion in the process allows the Club to use the word "external" when it patently isn't. Reminds

Why? Because he spent a week at the club?