POSTGAME: Rd 24 vs Collingwood

[Jaded No More 68,867]

Just now, Demon Dynasty said:

He pulled out of the 7 interview.  Could've put the naysayers, media nuffies and speculation to bed in 2 minutes and chose not to.  You have to wonder why that doesn't happen.

He's a grown maturing man and leafer of the team who is now back at the club and should be capable of speaking for a few minutes by now surely.

Have you ever had to deal with anxiety or depression? If yes, you know that it can come and go when you least expect it. 
If not, I suggest not passing judgement. 

[titan_uranus 24,974]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Delusional take. We played them on Kings Birthday with a third if their team out and they still killed us. It's about mindset, they have the right attitude we fall to water when it counts. Yeah we can beat up on a soulless Suns team but can we apply the same pressure/aggression against a Pies team with their rabid supporters screaming from the stands?

Some of the efforts to ight were deplorable, many of them when the game was still alive early. They were not the only culprits but Bowey and Fritsch were two notable ones who just [censored] themselves at the thought of contact.

It's actually embarassing the way we continue to have our pants pulled down by this mob. We've beaten them twice since 2017 and one of those games was at the Gabba. What does it take for us to say "no more" we will not let this mob roll over us anymore!?

It has nothing to do with gameplan, footskills, turnovers etc and has everything to do with mindset and aggression at the opposition and the contest.

A lot of clubs have bogey sides.

Right now Collingwood and Fremantle are that for us.

It'll be partly in our heads, I'm sure. It's also talent. Collingwood are smarter and faster than us, whilst Fremantle match us at contest and are too strong defensively for us to score against.

There was a thread going around the other week asking when we know our season was shot. For mine, it was King's Birthday. Losing to a half-strength Collingwood by 6 goals told me we were no good.  

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

27 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Surely no one turns the ball over as much as we do.

Need some serious focus on skill execution over the summer. 

We won 2021 off scores from stoppages, however scores from turnover is the new norm.

We’ll never become a good scores from turnover side unless we seriously improve our skill execution. 

Well fun fact. Most teams do. However where we suck and have sucked for a long long time is punishing from turnover. We just can’t do it. Half backers? Ball movement? Fitness? Spread? No idea.

[Antioch 232]

I’m 65 years old and so sick of Melbourne losing to these Collingwood scum with their smug faces. Please couldn’t we get a decent training ground and some top line players who don’t desert us (Jesse Hogan, Brodie Grundy and Luke Jackson say hello) and actually become a force to be reckoned with again? 

Edited August 23 by Antioch

[Fork 'em 6,983]

We are forken horrible.
Sheethouse skills and sheethouse decision making.
And Goodwin won't fix it over the summer.
We might get a few guns back and get a few wins but we'll still be sheethouse to watch.
Cause that's playin' "The Melbourne way."




 

Edited August 23 by Fork 'em

[titan_uranus 24,974]

I found our losses interesting this year.

They were either close games, which we largely botched, or they were large scale losses.

From 6-2 onwards, when we went 5-10, our losses were by 1, 2, 5 and 5, and then by 35, 38, 56, 50, 51 and 92.

Six times we couldn't keep the margin below 6 goals. The other four were botched close games. Nothing in between after Round 5.

Edit: so were our wins, too. After Round 5, our wins were by 3 and 8, then 17 to Essendon (but that was 40+ with 10 minutes to go), and otherwise were 38, 43, 54 and 54.

One game after Round 5 that wasn't decided by a single digit or by 6+ goals.

Edited August 23 by titan_uranus

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

10 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

You said it. Thankyou. 

The happy clappers can get [censored]. We are consistently bullied by this club and show nothing. 

The happy clappers can get what sorry?

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

7 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Agree except for change to systems. What system? Watching Collingwood tonight, they were operating like a well oiled machine, rapid and constant ball movement, they instinctively know where to run, where to put the ball to their team’s advantage. Anyone know what we are trying to do? If you do know, please tell the players. 

Yes that's a good point Earl.  Saying we should try and change / improve our system is probably a lazy statement that infers we know what we're trying to do.

I still recall the comversation i had with Sparrow earlier in the year after he returned to the mid field role after a few horror games in a row.

When i asked him what role / position he was supposed to be playing in those earlier poor games he said "no idea really".

Edited August 23 by Demon Dynasty

[Sir Why You Little 36,972]

I just hope the right decisions are made. We need new Coaches with strong ideas, we need to replace a high number of players, who then need to be a lot fitter in both mind and body than they were in 2024.
Our running and spread over a ground is what is killing us, opposition players are unguarded all over the ground, far too often this year.
Goodwin has to take some blame for the drop off, and needs to adapt more to yearly trends in the game. 
 

A Huge offseason awaits the MFC, they better plan it well and get it right or we will be in serious trouble 

 

[dazzledavey36 54,279]

7 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

He pulled out of the 7 interview.  Could've put the naysayers, media nuffies and speculation to bed in 2 minutes and chose not to.  You have to wonder why that doesn't happen.

He's a grown maturing man and a leader of the team who is now back at the club and should be capable of speaking for a few minutes by now surely.

It's all about him really.

Jon Ralph was right on first crack tonight. When we're attempting to recruit players to the club they're legitimately turning away due to the Trac issue and obviously his silence. 

It's no wonder some of the players wouldn't have issue if he did in fact leave because they know its always been about him and his brand.

The Melbourne Football Club isn't high on Petracca priority list.

[Deelectable 1,043]

26 minutes ago, binman said:

Go Saints.

Go Suns.

[censored] off 2024.

I called for that 3 weeks ago.

[BoBo 2,941]

8 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

He pulled out of the 7 interview.  Could've put the naysayers, media nuffies and speculation to bed in 2 minutes and chose not to.  You have to wonder why that doesn't happen.

He's a grown maturing man and a leader of the team who is now back at the club and should be capable of speaking for a few minutes by now surely.

He may not be psychologically ready/able/willing enough to do a live interview?

He went through a life threatening situation about 3 months ago. That can really affect a person. It has nothing to do with being a maturing man or a leader. Mental health issues can be crippling and can happen to anyone. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is immune from mental health issues.

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

26 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Wouldn't be surprised if Tracc may be gawnsky with a no show on 7 tonight and sitting way at the back with hoody on when BBB was being cheered off.

Almost hiding.

Not looking good.

Well if he does he’ll be getting much more publicity than that and will eventually need to front up. 
 

But It’s not looking good. If he stays or goes I think Trac is gonna have the same type of year as Oliver has this year. I just hope if he stays we learnt something from Oliver and hold Trac back until he hits all the right markers.

[The heart beats true 18,110]

Shout out to the MCG staff for making no effort to protect the value of our memberships, by letting anyone sit anywhere they wanted.

[Dingo 1,056]

51 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Thank goodness this seasons done. 

It was horrendous from pre season to now. 

Come back fitter & better please 

Who has to come back fitter - besides Clarrie and the injured players?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,176]

8 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

A lot of clubs have bogey sides.

Right now Collingwood and Fremantle are that for us.

It'll be partly in our heads, I'm sure. It's also talent. Collingwood are smarter and faster than us, whilst Fremantle match us at contest and are too strong defensively for us to score against.

There was a thread going around the other week asking when we know our season was shot. For mine, it was King's Birthday. Losing to a half-strength Collingwood by 6 goals told me we were no good.  

I don't buy it. It's not about gameplan or execution, our players actually play timid against the filth. There is no intent behind their movement, they should be tackling to hurt the opposition, swarming them etc

The club must put their footy down and say, regardless of what happens moving forward we will not lose to Collingwood again. Play with some ferociousness and they don't like it, they only like it when they can bully other sides. Turn the tables and they go to water.

[daisycutter 29,604]

collingwood players must have stunk really bad ... no one would get closer than 20 metres to them

and that's the kindest thing i can say

[layzie 33,752]

If he's not able to front the media why not some kind of statement?

I understand he is going through a lot right now but something probably needs to be said for the sake of his brand and ours.

[Adam The God 30,126]

Gee, it was a bloody ordinary performance.

I know there was some experimentation, but I thought it in the Port game and I thought it all night, not sure Judd is a mid. Maybe he needs more exposure in there, so he doesn't rush his disposals, because I reckon 3 or 4 of his kicks resulted in turnover goals against. Some players (like Salem) are just better when the play is in front of them.

Maybe it's more about releasing McVee to play that Rivers 2023 role of pinging off half back and allowing AMW to play the deep 1v1 on the dangerous small?

Thought Kozzy was superb early, but as soon as he sort of got Moore, it was like it played on his mind, and he was never as electric as he was in the first half.

I hope Viney had a huge tag, because he was nowhere. 

Aside from that KB game last year where we had their measure, we've become their bunnies. And they are scum. Need to turn the tables on them next year.

Collingwood play with the arrogance that McRae has as a coach. Almost as if he has instructed them to toy with us. And we let them tonight. 

That forward half needs more x factor and I'm afraid to say it, but the Petty forward experiment, I think, should be put in the bin.

[Deelectable 1,043]

28 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

And if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle, does not excuse skill, football awareness an ability to man up stick tackles make all the excuses you want because if we continue down the same path kiss next year away and we will be doing a North and Hawks path quicker than you think, and if one really thinks about it giving Viney and Gawn extensions when there was no need to was just a solidarity feel about it.

It excuses all of the above. Panic merchant. Same rhetoric after we narrowly missed the finals in 2020. We were favourites to win the next 5 wooden spoons according to many on here after the disastrous 2019 season. Laughable. 

[Antioch 232]

17 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I found our losses interesting this year.

They were either close games, which we largely botched, or they were large scale losses.

From 6-2 onwards, when we went 5-10, our losses were by 1, 2, 5 and 5, and then by 35, 38, 56, 50, 51 and 92.

Six times we couldn't keep the margin below 6 goals. The other four were botched close games. Nothing in between after Round 5.

Edit: so were our wins, too. After Round 5, our wins were by 3 and 8, then 17 to Essendon (but that was 40+ with 10 minutes to go), and otherwise were 38, 43, 54 and 54.

One game after Round 5 that wasn't decided by a single digit or by 6+ goals.

And we lost to West Coast comprehensively! WTF???

[demon3165 2,711]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't buy it. It's not about gameplan or execution, our players actually play timid against the filth. There is no intent behind their movement, they should be tackling to hurt the opposition, swarming them etc

The club must put their footy down and say, regardless of what happens moving forward we will not lose to Collingwood again. Play with some ferociousness and they don't like it, they only like it when they can bully other sides. Turn the tables and they go to water.

lmfao, ok believe that it's ok....

[Hopeful Demon 1,517]

12 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't buy it. It's not about gameplan or execution, our players actually play timid against the filth. There is no intent behind their movement, they should be tackling to hurt the opposition, swarming them etc

The club must put their footy down and say, regardless of what happens moving forward we will not lose to Collingwood again. Play with some ferociousness and they don't like it, they only like it when they can bully other sides. Turn the tables and they go to water.

I'm being selective but I can remember in the 2018 EF against Geelong (a side that had bullied us for years) we were absolutely ruthless and it was obvious from the opening bounce that they were the ones who were spooked. 

It would be great if we could bring that sort of mongrel next time we play Collingwood.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

23 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Have you ever had to deal with anxiety or depression? If yes, you know that it can come and go when you least expect it. 
If not, I suggest not passing judgement. 

Many times Jaded.  The black dog's paid me many a visit over the years and suffering one of the worst episodes of late.

I'm well versed unfortunately.

In today's world though you just have to soldier on one day at a time and try to dig your way out.

You have no choice, especially when you know your kids / family's welfare depends on you getting up each day, facing the music and bringing in the $$ to feed, keep roof over head etc.

At least from a $$ perspective, most footballers don't have that awful worry hanging over them.  They at least have that to be thankful for in that most will be set for life if they last about 8 to 10 years in the circus and use their coin wisely.

Tracc's appearance was built up all day.  It was even on 7 news pre-match, it was one of the upcoming highlights.  "We'll be speaking with Petracca pre-match blah blah blah".

So he must have agreed to do so i assume yes?

If you're that far out of it, surely better not to commit at all?  Pulling out just means even more speculation and more pressure on himself surely?

I'm not questioning that he hasn't experienced massive physical or mental trauma and a huge cathartic type experience.  I get where he's coming from.

I'm just saying, from where i sat, the body language and no show on 7 might not auger well in terms of where his future lies as a footballer be it with us or wherever.  Time will tell of course and hope i'm wrong.

[demon3165 2,711]

14 minutes ago, layzie said:

If he's not able to front the media why not some kind of statement?

I understand he is going through a lot right now but something probably needs to be said for the sake of his brand and ours.

No need to run to the media's drum when he's ready he will talk.