On 13/09/2024 at 03:29, leucopogon said:

Used to love the Petracca Parmy...much too salty these days.

And too much Oliver oil.

Edited September 14, 2024Sep 14 by John Crow Batty

  On 13/09/2024 at 05:36, reynolds46 said:

More of a lingers linguine man myself 

tbh I prefer a frittata

  On 13/09/2024 at 11:00, At the break of Gawn said:

Did you listen to the Paul Marsh interview on SEN? It’s just a review of the AFL process with a focus on improvements going forward. It’s not an investigation. Petracca ain’t going anywhere for now…

Re: the review of the process I agree entirely. The specific incident has already been litigated. The AFL and the invloved medical participants wouldn't appreciate the AFLPA dredging up findings that point to negligence, it would get very messy. It would make a lot of sense though if the focus is to develop an improved process/policy. 

Tracc's was severe but there have been many other instances in the last few years alone of players being sent back onto the field with broken ribs that lead to unknown internal  injuries. Mason Cox only last year I think.

  On 13/09/2024 at 10:39, Jaded No More said:

Well if wants to go to Sydney I reckon they have plenty of players we would be keen on. Unfortunately they won’t have the draft capital, so I still can’t see a deal being done. But will happily take Gulden off their hands 😂

Trac to Sydney for Grundy, Jordon and a future 2nd round pick?

Edited September 14, 2024Sep 14 by In Harmes Way

  On 13/09/2024 at 22:52, Dr. Gonzo said:

Nice in theory but that's not how it works. If he wants out and nominates his preferred destination he will get there and we will just suck it up. His manager will help facilitate the trade by making sure the club he nominates has the capital to send us, which is why it's been put on ice for 12 months ,- Collingwood/Carlton don't have the capital now but they may in 12 months.

That’s why the next 12 months for this football club are vital. Petracca will always put success and finals over crowd sizes. If we can play finals next year and win one or two at the MCG then I highly doubt Trac will seek a trade. FWIW I don’t expect Collingwood to be playing finals next year while I think Carlton has been found out and may again struggle to challenge. 

There has been a great deal of noise...stories... rumor and the like around this talented player.

Could someone please to the best of their ability give a summary of the whole saga.

When it started....

What were the original issues.

Who is at fault ( if any)

What has transpired and when

What has gone on since

What Tracca has actually said

What he says at present 

How it will probably end.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who hasn't kept up with it all or discerned from fake or real news.

Much appreciated.

  On 14/09/2024 at 03:17, leave it to deever said:

Could someone please to the best of their ability give a summary of the whole saga.

When it started....

What Tracca has actually said

What he says at present

Basically, the only thing Trac has actually said throughout the whole affair is that pre-made packet spinach & ricotta ravioli from his good friends at Casa Della Pasta makes for a great post-workout meal, especially for elite athletes such as himself under pressure to perform while the light is still good. 

Is was then reported that his nonna thinks the MFC is obviously a very bad influence on her cherished angel and clearly hasn't done enough to protect his mental health. She's certain no one at Carlton would have let the situation get so out hand that Christian is now eating pasta barely fit for a dog. 

  On 14/09/2024 at 06:21, Skuit said:

Basically, the only thing Trac has actually said throughout the whole affair is that pre-made packet spinach & ricotta ravioli from his good friends at Casa Della Pasta makes for a great post-workout meal, especially for elite athletes such as himself under pressure to perform while the light is still good. 

Is was then reported that his nonna thinks the MFC is obviously a very bad influence on her cherished angel and clearly hasn't done enough to protect his mental health. She's certain no one at Carlton would have let the situation get so out hand that Christian is now eating pasta barely fit for a dog. 

Thanks for the giggle but I did want some real clarity.

But hey it's DL. My bad.

  On 13/09/2024 at 22:52, Dr. Gonzo said:

Nice in theory but that's not how it works. If he wants out and nominates his preferred destination he will get there and we will just suck it up. His manager will help facilitate the trade by making sure the club he nominates has the capital to send us, which is why it's been put on ice for 12 months ,- Collingwood/Carlton don't have the capital now but they may in 12 months.

This is usually how it works for out of contract players. The club runs the risk that if it doesn’t accede to the player’s request, the player will put a price on their head when nominating for the draft to ensure they get to their preferred destination, and so the club does a deal to avoid getting nothing at all.

For a contracted player, run the counter factual and assume we say no. What does the player do? Sit out the year in protest? How does that help their cause? 

  On 14/09/2024 at 06:38, leave it to deever said:

Thanks for the giggle but I did want some real clarity.

But hey it's DL. My bad.

In terms of clarity as to what happens next, it's probably a bit early yet to know. Nonna suggested Christian swap places with that Scottish fellow from Carlton as a better fit all round, but apparently that young Harry boy has been 'typically stubborn' and wants to stay put. 

  On 13/09/2024 at 11:00, At the break of Gawn said:

Did you listen to the Paul Marsh interview on SEN? It’s just a review of the AFL process with a focus on improvements going forward. It’s not an investigation. Petracca ain’t going anywhere for now…

Spot on though the medical fraternity have ticked off inc the afl … though I can see that any suspect chest /rib injury will be straight off  and scan .. some as concussion protocol 

  On 14/09/2024 at 02:15, At the break of Gawn said:

That’s why the next 12 months for this football club are vital. Petracca will always put success and finals over crowd sizes. If we can play finals next year and win one or two at the MCG then I highly doubt Trac will seek a trade. FWIW I don’t expect Collingwood to be playing finals next year while I think Carlton has been found out and may again struggle to challenge. 

Will be interesting what the external review reveals re culture .. & can see heads rolling & confirm what Trac is not happy about 

A conversation I had this week with a current connection of MFC. 

started with I can say anything sorry, elaborated to: 

- Trac wants two of Roffey, Pert, Richardson gone. 
- Senior players disappointed with how Trac let it play out, his parents heavily involved. 
- We are chasing one of WCE forwards pretty hard (didn’t say which one)

Nothing to ground breaking really…

  On 14/09/2024 at 09:45, Vineytime said:

A conversation I had this week with a current connection of MFC. 

started with I can say anything sorry, elaborated to: 

- Trac wants two of Roffey, Pert, Richardson gone. 
- Senior players disappointed with how Trac let it play out, his parents heavily involved. 
- We are chasing one of WCE forwards pretty hard (didn’t say which one)

Nothing to ground breaking really…

Waterman most likely.

  On 14/09/2024 at 09:49, Nascent said:

Waterman most likely.

i'd almost prefer liam ryan

speedy forwards who put it on the scoreboard and pressure defensively are the key part of modern footy it would seem

  On 13/09/2024 at 10:39, Jaded No More said:

Well if wants to go to Sydney I reckon they have plenty of players we would be keen on. Unfortunately they won’t have the draft capital, so I still can’t see a deal being done. But will happily take Gulden off their hands 😂

Straight swap.

  On 14/09/2024 at 06:39, titan_uranus said:

This is usually how it works for out of contract players. The club runs the risk that if it doesn’t accede to the player’s request, the player will put a price on their head when nominating for the draft to ensure they get to their preferred destination, and so the club does a deal to avoid getting nothing at all.

For a contracted player, run the counter factual and assume we say no. What does the player do? Sit out the year in protest? How does that help their cause? 

It wouldn't, if a player wants out they make sure their manager can tee up a trade with another club and then go to their current club and for ally request the trade, nominating their preferred club. Clubs have sometimes held players to their contract (Papley, Gibbs, Kelly) but more often than not the player gets their way (Gibbs and Kelly did eventually anyway).

  On 14/09/2024 at 09:45, Vineytime said:

- Trac wants two of Roffey, Pert, Richardson gone. 

All 3 preferably

  On 14/09/2024 at 09:45, Vineytime said:

A conversation I had this week with a current connection of MFC. 

started with I can say anything sorry, elaborated to: 

- Trac wants two of Roffey, Pert, Richardson gone. 
- Senior players disappointed with how Trac let it play out, his parents heavily involved. 
- We are chasing one of WCE forwards pretty hard (didn’t say which one)

Nothing to ground breaking really…

Richardson can’t survive and can’t see Pert lasting more than another year. Get Smith at the end of next season and roll from there

Edited September 14, 2024Sep 14 by Roost it far

  On 14/09/2024 at 11:15, Roost it far said:

Richardson can’t survive and can’t see Pert lasting more than another year. Get Smith at the end of next season and roll from there

this seems to be the vibe

richo will go soon, and pert will go before the bye next season

would be crazy if one player can have such a profound effect on three key off-field roles - president, ceo, and head of football

  On 14/09/2024 at 09:58, whatwhat say what said:

i'd almost prefer liam ryan

speedy forwards who put it on the scoreboard and pressure defensively are the key part of modern footy it would seem

Waterman will be fine if he's got the same mongrel/agro as JVR.

  On 14/09/2024 at 11:01, Dr. Gonzo said:

It wouldn't, if a player wants out they make sure their manager can tee up a trade with another club and then go to their current club and for ally request the trade, nominating their preferred club. Clubs have sometimes held players to their contract (Papley, Gibbs, Kelly) but more often than not the player gets their way (Gibbs and Kelly did eventually anyway).

This sort of makes my argument. 

Gibbs had 1 year left on his contract. He would have been traded the year he requested but the deal fell through at the last minute. 

Papley had 4 years left on his contract, so Sydney held him to it. 

Trac is more like Papley than Gibbs. Having 1 year left presents the club with the risk you leave the following year for less/nothing. Very different to a player with multiple years left. 

  On 14/09/2024 at 06:38, leave it to deever said:

Thanks for the giggle but I did want some real clarity.

But hey it's DL. My bad.

You’re asking someone to bother summarising 282 pages of thread because you haven’t kept up. It’s kind of a lot to unpack mate 

  On 14/09/2024 at 12:47, titan_uranus said:

This sort of makes my argument. 

Gibbs had 1 year left on his contract. He would have been traded the year he requested but the deal fell through at the last minute. 

Papley had 4 years left on his contract, so Sydney held him to it. 

Trac is more like Papley than Gibbs. Having 1 year left presents the club with the risk you leave the following year for less/nothing. Very different to a player with multiple years left. 

Yes but Papley didn't seek a trade again 12 months later. My feeling is Petracca is likely to at this stage but a lot can change in 12 months. If he does I don't think we'll hold him to his contract.

  On 14/09/2024 at 12:58, Undeeterred said:

You’re asking someone to bother summarising 282 pages of thread because you haven’t kept up. It’s kind of a lot to unpack mate 

install co-pilot, get it to do the job for you