9 minutes ago, layzie said:

There's only so many times you can dismiss a journo for being a d*******

2 things can be true at the same time. Morris is a DH but also telling the truth in this instance.

Honest question: If he did in fact request a trade, with the season over would the club have announced this straight away to get ahead of the media noise? Looking at the Jackson saga from memory this was done publicly a few days after the straight sets exit. 

Something really stinks. 

 

I never doubted Morris.  He was never going to say it if he had not heard it.  

It's all very simple.  Trac wants out.  Where is the confusion?  He's not playing some game whereby he is trying to force change....Jesus.  He is, if he hasn't already, asking to be traded.  

I'm fuming.  I sat there during that first quarter the other night and thought 'what must he be thinking?'  That effort in that first quarter just unforgiveable really.  Embarrassing.  Soft.  Weak.

I'm tired of all the BS surrounding culture, and good relationships, and do the right thing by Nibbler, giving Christian the time and space he needs... blah blah blah... all of it... a load of garbage.  

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, SthSea22 said:

Is McKay enough in return?

He or his manager has already shut down any interest in being traded so it doesn’t matter. 

1 minute ago, BDA said:

2 things can be true at the same time. Morris is a DH but also telling the truth in this instance.

You're one of the few who can see straight on this BDA.

A week ago his story carried little weight on here. 

 

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

 

If he goes there will be trouble, if he stays there will be double..

22 minutes ago, roy11 said:

some of the hypothetical trades I've seen floated on X are sensational though.

Think one had North's 2nd and future 2nd getting it done based off his age and injury.

Another proposed trade

- Petracca to Pies
- Pies Future 2nd and Reef McInnes to Dees.
 

CP is a seriously injured 29 y.o. with $6,000,000 left on his current deal. A huge risk.

24 minutes ago, greenwaves said:

When Tom Morris reported that Petracca wanted out, a lot of people attacked him.  It appears Morris was right.  I guess those people will come on and apologise.  Nah, they'll just go quiet.

He might have been right but he's still a C U Next Tuesday type operator.

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36 minutes ago, BDA said:

The club do not want to trade. It makes no sense for them to leak what’s been leaked. The problems with the top office, the way the Clarry situation was handled. It all reflects badly on the club. It only makes sense if it’s coming from Trac’s side.

What else could the club have done with Oliver?  He goes off the rails with whatever issues he had so that's on Clarrie

As for Petracca, I'm in two minds.  One part of me just wants to just get rid of the bloke but why give him what he wants? 

Or possibly burn the $1Million per season and make him see out his contract.  Playing at Casey wouldn't do much for Brand Petracca so he'd soon come to the party

But do we want the day to day circus to continue?  This is why the player nearly always has the upper hand (if they want out)

The other glaring issue is Petracca's current fitness and if that lowers his market value.  If so, it can't be a high-end sale, more like a fire sale

And I'm wondering why more people aren't talking (here) about his ability (or inability) to ever get back to his best.  It's a very real issue with regards to getting the proper trade value for Petracca

Just now, roy11 said:

Another proposed trade

- Petracca to Pies
- Pies Future 2nd and Reef McInnes to Dees.
 

CP is a seriously injured 29 y.o. with $6,000,000 left on his current deal. A huge risk.

Is that you Craig? Get off a Demons forum.

7 minutes ago, SthSea22 said:

Is McKay enough in return?

Absolutely not, we don't need him dammit, maybe TDK would be a better starting point.

59 minutes ago, Colm said:

I actually think the club is playing this well. Saying there’s no chance he will be traded.  I’m wondering if Trac is backing himself into a corner and may have to go to the highest bidder just to get out as he’s burnt his bridges. 

 

I actually thought this as well.  Just sit quietly and let him back himself into a corner where he must be traded and we then have the power in sending him to whoever presents the best deal.

I was in the 100% keep until 24 hours ago and now happy to let him go.  The off-season could still work out ok if we manage something like:

- Trac out for McKay + Carlton future first round
- ANB out for Adelaide's second rounder
- Our future first out for Gold Coast pick 6
- Carlton future first and our current second round out for Dan Houston

So losing Trac, ANB and a future first and bringing in McKay, Houston, P5 and P6 (two gun midfielders) would be a farily amazing result.

Doubt McKay and Houston would want to come however and I'd rather players over picks anyway.

1 minute ago, roy11 said:

Another proposed trade

- Petracca to Pies
- Pies Future 2nd and Reef McInnes to Dees.
 

CP is a seriously injured 29 y.o. with $6,000,000 left on his current deal. A huge risk.

Any trade with the Pies obviously has to involve Beau McCreery 

Maybe I've missed something . Is it possible to have someone please post clear and factual evidence that Trac wants out? As far as I can tell it's pretty much all the diatribe from the reprobates McClure and Morris. Also, most of those articles come with the rider something along the lines of "Christian may stay at the Demons". Because so called 'jungle drums are beating' doesn't mean it's reality. A short time Viney was gone and for what seemed like ages so was Clarry. Both totally inaccurate.  I'll believe it when I see it.

Love Gary, put him in charge of this mess seriously, others all out Gary in to rebuild club from top down!

1 minute ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Completely agree it's messy. However I think Melbourne haven't done anything 'wrong' as such, but it would be interesting to know if they've gone too hard in the messaging publicly with the 'you're contracted, you're staying' narrative. It would definitely be complicated, and there's no doubt Christian would have some very valid issues with the club, so I'm with you on not totally trusting the club to be able to sort it out themselves.

I guess we will never know where all the leaks are coming from.

The club has acknowledged there are issues among which are player complaints.  What I think the club is responsible for is allowing things to get to the point where the club is divided.

I don't know who is advising the club on its comms but as you say it is very messy and imv sometimes inconsistent.  I didn't like the hard line on 'contracted'. 

imv the club just has to get this to a negotiating table and get it out of the media as best as one can.

 

The next step now is for Petracca's camp (and potentially Collingwood or Carlton) to start over-cooking his injuries to bring his trade value down. Continue making his place at the club untenable, force a trade, and get it at value.

Bookmark it. I reckon within 7 days we'll see a report about how he'll never be the same player again yada yada yada.

5 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I guess we will never know where all the leaks are coming from.

The club has acknowledged there are issues among which are player complaints.  What I think the club is responsible for is allowing things to get to the point where the club is divided.

I don't know who is advising the club on its comms but as you say it is very messy and imv sometimes inconsistent.  I didn't like the hard line on 'contracted'. 

imv the club just has to get this to a negotiating table and get it out of the media as best as one can.

 

I think the club has held their tongue as long as they could, but now it’s time for the club to make it clear to Trac that this behavior is not going to cause us to bend over backwards. 
Maybe the club thinks that if the relationship sours on our end, and Trac knows he won’t be welcomed back, that HE would have to compromise on the club he goes to.
And that club will be the one that offers us the best deal, NOT the club that makes Trac the most amount of money on social media. 
 

Trac can’t have it all his way. He chose to leak the stuff to the media. Does he expect us to sit there and be used as his personal punching bag to achieve his own agenda? 
 

10 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Regardless of whether Trac has legitimate complaints about the club, and I am sure he does by the way, are you really ok for him to trash the club publicly? Because his teammates sure aren’t. 

This goes against everything a good leader would do. You don’t turn your entire team against you in some deluded effort to force change. Because now the only change that’s being forced here is getting rid of Trac. 

10 minutes ago, Young Angus said:

Love Gary, put him in charge of this mess seriously, others all out Gary in to rebuild club from top down!

Like he did when he chose Bailey as coach and then recommended Neeld? No thanks

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1 minute ago, praha said:

The next step now is for Petracca's camp (and potentially Collingwood or Carlton) to start over-cooking his injuries to bring his trade value down. Continue making his place at the club untenable, force a trade, and get it at value.

Bookmark it. I reckon within 7 days we'll see a report about how he'll never be the same player again yada yada yada.

Doubt think Petracca would let anyone over-cook, as he's worried the correlation will impact his cooking brand/insta

12 minutes ago, roy11 said:

Another proposed trade

- Petracca to Pies
- Pies Future 2nd and Reef McInnes to Dees.
 

CP is a seriously injured 29 y.o. with $6,000,000 left on his current deal. A huge risk.

Who proposed that? Do we want to make it public knowledge we think he may be a banged up 29yo?

Well this escalated pretty quickly.....

He said, but he said, no he said.....  well I heard he said he said he hadn't said.....

Mad Monday descended into FU all Tuesday at a great rate of knots !!

This is gunna end in tears..... lots of little Dees too young to understand why CP5 doesn't love us any more...  All those little jumpers with No. 5  

Will no one think of the children...

1) Very surprised if Trac is at the Dees much longer

2) Who has the currency ?? 

3) don't discount the Filth

4) We won't get true value.....we never do.

5) the sun will set and rise again tomorrow 

6) a lot more water to go under the bridge yet ;)