Christian Petracca

[In Harmes Way 7,730]

15 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Well if wants to go to Sydney I reckon they have plenty of players we would be keen on. Unfortunately they won’t have the draft capital, so I still can’t see a deal being done. But will happily take Gulden off their hands 😂

Trac to Sydney for Grundy, Jordon and a future 2nd round pick?

Edited September 14 by In Harmes Way

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Nice in theory but that's not how it works. If he wants out and nominates his preferred destination he will get there and we will just suck it up. His manager will help facilitate the trade by making sure the club he nominates has the capital to send us, which is why it's been put on ice for 12 months ,- Collingwood/Carlton don't have the capital now but they may in 12 months.

That’s why the next 12 months for this football club are vital. Petracca will always put success and finals over crowd sizes. If we can play finals next year and win one or two at the MCG then I highly doubt Trac will seek a trade. FWIW I don’t expect Collingwood to be playing finals next year while I think Carlton has been found out and may again struggle to challenge. 

[leave it to deever 17,506]

There has been a great deal of noise...stories... rumor and the like around this talented player.

Could someone please to the best of their ability give a summary of the whole saga.

When it started....

What were the original issues.

Who is at fault ( if any)

What has transpired and when

What has gone on since

What Tracca has actually said

What he says at present 

How it will probably end.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who hasn't kept up with it all or discerned from fake or real news.

Much appreciated.

[Skuit 10,027]

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Could someone please to the best of their ability give a summary of the whole saga.

When it started....

What Tracca has actually said

What he says at present

Basically, the only thing Trac has actually said throughout the whole affair is that pre-made packet spinach & ricotta ravioli from his good friends at Casa Della Pasta makes for a great post-workout meal, especially for elite athletes such as himself under pressure to perform while the light is still good. 

Is was then reported that his nonna thinks the MFC is obviously a very bad influence on her cherished angel and clearly hasn't done enough to protect his mental health. She's certain no one at Carlton would have let the situation get so out hand that Christian is now eating pasta barely fit for a dog. 

[leave it to deever 17,506]

16 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Basically, the only thing Trac has actually said throughout the whole affair is that pre-made packet spinach & ricotta ravioli from his good friends at Casa Della Pasta makes for a great post-workout meal, especially for elite athletes such as himself under pressure to perform while the light is still good. 

Is was then reported that his nonna thinks the MFC is obviously a very bad influence on her cherished angel and clearly hasn't done enough to protect his mental health. She's certain no one at Carlton would have let the situation get so out hand that Christian is now eating pasta barely fit for a dog. 

Thanks for the giggle but I did want some real clarity.

But hey it's DL. My bad.

[titan_uranus 24,963]

7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Nice in theory but that's not how it works. If he wants out and nominates his preferred destination he will get there and we will just suck it up. His manager will help facilitate the trade by making sure the club he nominates has the capital to send us, which is why it's been put on ice for 12 months ,- Collingwood/Carlton don't have the capital now but they may in 12 months.

This is usually how it works for out of contract players. The club runs the risk that if it doesn’t accede to the player’s request, the player will put a price on their head when nominating for the draft to ensure they get to their preferred destination, and so the club does a deal to avoid getting nothing at all.

For a contracted player, run the counter factual and assume we say no. What does the player do? Sit out the year in protest? How does that help their cause? 

[Skuit 10,027]

9 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Thanks for the giggle but I did want some real clarity.

But hey it's DL. My bad.

In terms of clarity as to what happens next, it's probably a bit early yet to know. Nonna suggested Christian swap places with that Scottish fellow from Carlton as a better fit all round, but apparently that young Harry boy has been 'typically stubborn' and wants to stay put. 

[Demonsone 2,029]

21 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Did you listen to the Paul Marsh interview on SEN? It’s just a review of the AFL process with a focus on improvements going forward. It’s not an investigation. Petracca ain’t going anywhere for now…

Spot on though the medical fraternity have ticked off inc the afl … though I can see that any suspect chest /rib injury will be straight off  and scan .. some as concussion protocol 

[Demonsone 2,029]

6 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

That’s why the next 12 months for this football club are vital. Petracca will always put success and finals over crowd sizes. If we can play finals next year and win one or two at the MCG then I highly doubt Trac will seek a trade. FWIW I don’t expect Collingwood to be playing finals next year while I think Carlton has been found out and may again struggle to challenge. 

Will be interesting what the external review reveals re culture .. & can see heads rolling & confirm what Trac is not happy about 

[Vineytime 842]

A conversation I had this week with a current connection of MFC. 

started with I can say anything sorry, elaborated to: 

- Trac wants two of Roffey, Pert, Richardson gone. 
- Senior players disappointed with how Trac let it play out, his parents heavily involved. 
- We are chasing one of WCE forwards pretty hard (didn’t say which one)

Nothing to ground breaking really…

[Nascent 9,054]

3 minutes ago, Vineytime said:

A conversation I had this week with a current connection of MFC. 

started with I can say anything sorry, elaborated to: 

- Trac wants two of Roffey, Pert, Richardson gone. 
- Senior players disappointed with how Trac let it play out, his parents heavily involved. 
- We are chasing one of WCE forwards pretty hard (didn’t say which one)

Nothing to ground breaking really…

Waterman most likely.

[whatwhat say what 22,552]

7 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Waterman most likely.

i'd almost prefer liam ryan

speedy forwards who put it on the scoreboard and pressure defensively are the key part of modern footy it would seem

[binman 42,468]

23 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Well if wants to go to Sydney I reckon they have plenty of players we would be keen on. Unfortunately they won’t have the draft capital, so I still can’t see a deal being done. But will happily take Gulden off their hands 😂

Straight swap.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,121]

4 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

This is usually how it works for out of contract players. The club runs the risk that if it doesn’t accede to the player’s request, the player will put a price on their head when nominating for the draft to ensure they get to their preferred destination, and so the club does a deal to avoid getting nothing at all.

For a contracted player, run the counter factual and assume we say no. What does the player do? Sit out the year in protest? How does that help their cause? 

It wouldn't, if a player wants out they make sure their manager can tee up a trade with another club and then go to their current club and for ally request the trade, nominating their preferred club. Clubs have sometimes held players to their contract (Papley, Gibbs, Kelly) but more often than not the player gets their way (Gibbs and Kelly did eventually anyway).

[Dr. Gonzo 24,121]

1 hour ago, Vineytime said:

- Trac wants two of Roffey, Pert, Richardson gone. 

All 3 preferably

[Roost it far 8,104]

1 hour ago, Vineytime said:

A conversation I had this week with a current connection of MFC. 

started with I can say anything sorry, elaborated to: 

- Trac wants two of Roffey, Pert, Richardson gone. 
- Senior players disappointed with how Trac let it play out, his parents heavily involved. 
- We are chasing one of WCE forwards pretty hard (didn’t say which one)

Nothing to ground breaking really…

Richardson can’t survive and can’t see Pert lasting more than another year. Get Smith at the end of next season and roll from there

Edited September 14 by Roost it far

[whatwhat say what 22,552]

19 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Richardson can’t survive and can’t see Pert lasting more than another year. Get Smith at the end of next season and roll from there

this seems to be the vibe

richo will go soon, and pert will go before the bye next season

would be crazy if one player can have such a profound effect on three key off-field roles - president, ceo, and head of football

[ElDiablo14 4,990]

2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

i'd almost prefer liam ryan

speedy forwards who put it on the scoreboard and pressure defensively are the key part of modern footy it would seem

Waterman will be fine if he's got the same mongrel/agro as JVR.

[titan_uranus 24,963]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It wouldn't, if a player wants out they make sure their manager can tee up a trade with another club and then go to their current club and for ally request the trade, nominating their preferred club. Clubs have sometimes held players to their contract (Papley, Gibbs, Kelly) but more often than not the player gets their way (Gibbs and Kelly did eventually anyway).

This sort of makes my argument. 

Gibbs had 1 year left on his contract. He would have been traded the year he requested but the deal fell through at the last minute. 

Papley had 4 years left on his contract, so Sydney held him to it. 

Trac is more like Papley than Gibbs. Having 1 year left presents the club with the risk you leave the following year for less/nothing. Very different to a player with multiple years left. 

[Undeeterred 3,113]

6 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Thanks for the giggle but I did want some real clarity.

But hey it's DL. My bad.

You’re asking someone to bother summarising 282 pages of thread because you haven’t kept up. It’s kind of a lot to unpack mate 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,121]

30 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

This sort of makes my argument. 

Gibbs had 1 year left on his contract. He would have been traded the year he requested but the deal fell through at the last minute. 

Papley had 4 years left on his contract, so Sydney held him to it. 

Trac is more like Papley than Gibbs. Having 1 year left presents the club with the risk you leave the following year for less/nothing. Very different to a player with multiple years left. 

Yes but Papley didn't seek a trade again 12 months later. My feeling is Petracca is likely to at this stage but a lot can change in 12 months. If he does I don't think we'll hold him to his contract.

[whatwhat say what 22,552]

20 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

You’re asking someone to bother summarising 282 pages of thread because you haven’t kept up. It’s kind of a lot to unpack mate 

install co-pilot, get it to do the job for you

[bing181 9,191]

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

but more often than not the player gets their way (Gibbs and Kelly did eventually anyway).

Both of those were interstate "go home" deals. As most (almost all?) of the broken-contract deals are.

[bing181 9,191]

Don't see how a Petracca deal is more likely next year unless he really agrees to go to whoever can put together a decent offer - including WCE, Richmond etc.

He'll be 30 in 2026, but with 4 years left on a massive contract. Not exactly enticing. As I posted earlier in this thread, you look at previous huge trades for the likes of Dangerfield, Franklin, Judd - they were a lot younger than Trac when the trades went through and still with a lot of high-level footy left in them and worth selling the farm for.

[The Jackson FIX 3,025]

5 hours ago, bing181 said:

Don't see how a Petracca deal is more likely next year unless he really agrees to go to whoever can put together a decent offer - including WCE, Richmond etc.

Extending the trading of future draft picks to 2 yrs is the possible/likely catalyst.
 

Haven’t don’t the maths but how the introduction of Tassie impacts future draft pick order would be interesting…