17 minutes ago, Macca said:

$1.7Million to tag? That's a $500k a year gig (for a good one)

No thanks

We should be getting Oliver as a premier midfielder tearing the opposition apart for the sort of coin he's on

Same deal for Petracca & Viney

But we're quite possibly stuck with them as I can't see any other club willing to take up their salaries or giving us anything back in return

Fingers crossed all 3 somehow find their best form again

I'm a practical kinda bloke.

Sometimes nice ideas don't work out and if you're already paying I just go for best outcomes... not best what-ifs.

9 hours ago, Jjrogan said:

This is an easy one.

For those played 9 games. JV is the competitions worst midfielder for disposals per turnover (3.8), and 2nd worst for disposals per clanger (behind the Chosen One). He's been top 20 for this category for 3 years.

Head scratcher when he comes back into the side and he starts in the centre square.

Fwiw the best in this category are Pendles, Steele, Atkins.

2 things from this post

1 He has always been a blast away at anything player

2 WHY the FUUURG , DID WE SIGN a very average skilled player for SO LONG??😵‍💫🤯🤮

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I'm a practical kinda bloke.

Sometimes nice ideas don't work out and if you're already paying I just go for best outcomes... not best what-ifs.

Fair enough but we know he's capable of so much more

For instance, Oliver & Petracca both rushing their kicks is problematical as well. The best players take the contact and still execute with accuracy

And the pace of the game seems too much for Viney right now ... but as a defensive forward, he might provide some value as he's not a bad kick for goal and is still a bulldog

Edited June 18Jun 18 by Macca

The players should be embarrassed that their skill level is so pathetically low.

Professional footballers myarz

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

They're playing footy not solving the unified field theory.

From a couple of premiership coaches (but heh, what would they know ...):

"Evolving a game plan can be extremely difficult. It takes time, because players often need to be recalibrated to play a certain way."

Fox Sports

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6 hours ago, Roost it far said:

The main offenders are Petracca, Oliver and Viney, let’s finish the season with only one of them in the middle at a time.

I’m hundred percent with this. Goody has the rest of the season to work out what he is to do with those 3 including picking who stays and who is out on the trading block.

2 hours ago, Macca said:

$1.7Million to tag? That's a $500k a year gig (for a good one)

No thanks

We should be getting Oliver as a premier midfielder tearing the opposition apart for the sort of coin he's on

Same deal for Petracca & Viney

But we're quite possibly stuck with them as I can't see any other club willing to take up their salaries or agiving us anything back in return

Fingers crossed all 3 somehow find their best form again

I highly doubt he is on that much coin. It maybe up to 1.7M with certain match day triggers and accolades but he is likely at the baseline of his contract , which I’d guess is still very significant 1.3-1.4M territory.

I’ll posit this about Oliver form. It’s his confidence that has taken an absolute bartering. Why is this the case though. It still fascinates me. What has happened with him that has caused his footy to drop away so significantly. There is a typical form slump, daylight then there’s Oliver current form and it’s been like this for nearly 3 seasons. I know what is documented publically and I can absolutely relate to MH struggles. Is it that simple though? Can we put his form down to MH?

9 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Pressure was off in that game. We couldn’t make the finals

There’s part of the problem

So we should win by 9 goals on Saturday week? Or are we still "math-poss" to play finals?

3 minutes ago, Harvey Wallbanger said:

So we should win by 9 goals on Saturday week? Or are we still "math-poss" to play finals?

No doubt we will put in a big performance before the end of the Season, when it won’t matter.

Odds on…

7 hours ago, bing181 said:

From a couple of premiership coaches (but heh, what would they know ...):

"Evolving a game plan can be extremely difficult. It takes time, because players often need to be recalibrated to play a certain way."

Fox Sports

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How much time? Had at least two preseasons now. I'm not buying it, these guys are making excuses for themselves and each other. If it takes so long to change a gameplan explain Collingwood's form from 2021 to 2022. It's garbage, telling players to run and carry instead of bombing long, position yourselves differently in the forward line, kick to the fat side etc etc

It's not rocket science it just takes good coaching (ie clear communication and expectations).

6 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

I’m hundred percent with this. Goody has the rest of the season to work out what he is to do with those 3 including picking who stays and who is out on the trading block.

Viney half forward pinch hitting in the middle, Petracca mid with stints up forward, Oliver trading block.

Edited June 18Jun 18 by Dr. Gonzo

6 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

I highly doubt he is on that much coin. It maybe up to 1.7M with certain match day triggers and accolades but he is likely at the baseline of his contract , which I’d guess is still very significant 1.3-1.4M territory.

I’ll posit this about Oliver form. It’s his confidence that has taken an absolute bartering. Why is this the case though. It still fascinates me. What has happened with him that has caused his footy to drop away so significantly. There is a typical form slump, daylight then there’s Oliver current form and it’s been like this for nearly 3 seasons. I know what is documented publically and I can absolutely relate to MH struggles. Is it that simple though? Can we put his form down to MH?

C'mon, his off field stuff is not just "mental health".

58 minutes ago, bing181 said:

From a couple of premiership coaches (but heh, what would they know ...):

"Evolving a game plan can be extremely difficult. It takes time, because players often need to be recalibrated to play a certain way."

Fox Sports

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And yet Longmire said “We had a great uptick when we changed completely… one of the reasons why I went and got Don Pyke, I thought Don Pyke was one of the best attack coaches in the competition and I was very strong with my defensive philosophies, and I thought he was able to balance that out a fair bit.”

Sydney missed finals in 2019 and 2020 and were bottom 4 for scoring yet changed completely in the 21 preseason to become the second highest scoring team and only miss top 4 on percentage.

Clearly Longmire was being gentle on Adam Simpson who completely stuffed West Coast. Good coaches can get teams to change over a preseason even if it’s difficult. Longmire is a good coach. Macrae is a good coach. Plenty of other examples.

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

From a couple of premiership coaches (but heh, what would they know ...):

"Evolving a game plan can be extremely difficult. It takes time, because players often need to be recalibrated to play a certain way."

Fox Sports

‘We got it wrong’: AFL great’s warning to Dees on ‘priori...

‘We got it wrong’: AFL great’s warning to Dees on ‘priority they need to address’ now

That’s 8 weeks ago

Of everyone calling for Goodwin to go does anyone know who’s available to replace him? I can’t help but think we’re undermanned in the assistant coaching department. If we were serious our next coach would either already be at the club or earmarked to come for next year. Chaplin must be a possibility as he is highly regarded but there must be a host of others. I don’t want any of Longmire, Simpson or Buckley, as football managers, yes but not as coach. We need the next 8-10 year coach who can reshape the way we go about it. I wouldn’t let Petracca, Oliver and Viney play midfield minutes together. We’re not improving if we keep doing that. Our list isn’t miles off it but some big decisions are coming around the coaches.

10 hours ago, bing181 said:

From a couple of premiership coaches (but heh, what would they know ...):

"Evolving a game plan can be extremely difficult. It takes time, because players often need to be recalibrated to play a certain way."

Fox Sports

‘We got it wrong’: AFL great’s warning to Dees on ‘priori...

‘We got it wrong’: AFL great’s warning to Dees on ‘priority they need to address’ now

Swans looked completely reinvented in 2021. One of the first teams that realised the ball movement was about to become far easier. Geelong, Collingwood and Brisbane would all follow suit the next year.

Simpson has very similar philosophies to Goodwin as a coach it sounds like.

33 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Of everyone calling for Goodwin to go does anyone know who’s available to replace him? I can’t help but think we’re undermanned in the assistant coaching department. If we were serious our next coach would either already be at the club or earmarked to come for next year. Chaplin must be a possibility as he is highly regarded but there must be a host of others. I don’t want any of Longmire, Simpson or Buckley, as football managers, yes but not as coach. We need the next 8-10 year coach who can reshape the way we go about it. I wouldn’t let Petracca, Oliver and Viney play midfield minutes together. We’re not improving if we keep doing that. Our list isn’t miles off it but some big decisions are coming around the coaches.

Off the top of my head there's Cameron Bruce at Brisbane, Justin Leppitsch and Hayden Skipworth at Collingwood both highly rated, Steven King and Nigel Lappin at Geelong.

Craig Jennings at GWS would be an ironic replacement.

Plenty of talent out there tbh.

3 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Off the top of my head there's Cameron Bruce at Brisbane, Justin Leppitsch and Hayden Skipworth at Collingwood both highly rated, Steven King and Nigel Lappin at Geelong.

Craig Jennings at GWS would be an ironic replacement.

Plenty of talent out there tbh.

leppitsch is not a coach anymore, i don't think - now head of list management

8 hours ago, DemonOX said:

U do realise that JL won a premiership with the swans in 2012.

8 hours ago, DemonOX said:

U do realise that JL won a premiership with the swans in 2012.

Thank you for your reply. Yes and Simon Simon won in 2021. It is now 2025.

14 hours ago, DemonOX said:

U do realise that JL won a premiership with the swans in 2012.

FWIW. We are losing games this year even with more inside 50s and more scoring shots. We can argue till the cows come home about whether it is the backs, mids, forwards or on baller who are culpable, but the fact remains that this has been going on for years and years and we have a coach and coaching panel who cannot fix it.

Time for a change. Head coach, assistant coaches or boot studder. It does not matter - there must be serious change. If Goody can't show us he can fix it, then he might have to go.

Sad but true.

9 hours ago, Watson11 said:

Good coaches can get teams to change over a preseason even if it’s difficult.

Once again, cherry-picking. You're ignoring all the times when coaches couldn't implement change over a preseason. You need to consider ALL cases, not just the ones that suit your propos.

e.g. Clarkson is a good coach, how come we're yet to see real improvement at North over what now, 3 pre-seasons? And staying with Clarkson, how come he couldn't lift Hawthorn when they started to fall in 2019? He had 3 pre-seasons, yet they went backwards across 2019 - 2021, a trend that Mitchell then took another 3 pre-seasons to turn around. Through that Hawthorn had 5 or 6 pre-seasons yet stagnated in the lower reaches of the ladder the whole time.

And in regards to all this, you only have to look at the almost teams like Essendon or St Kilda with their revolving doors of coaches and endless, endless pre-seasons for no real substantive improvement or progress.

etc. etc.

2 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Once again, cherry-picking. You're ignoring all the times when coaches couldn't implement change over a preseason. You need to consider ALL cases, not just the ones that suit your propos.

e.g. Clarkson is a good coach, how come we're yet to see real improvement at North over what now, 3 pre-seasons? And staying with Clarkson, how come he couldn't lift Hawthorn when they started to fall in 2019? He had 3 pre-seasons, yet they went backwards across 2019 - 2021, a trend that Mitchell then took another 3 pre-seasons to turn around. Through that Hawthorn had 5 or 6 pre-seasons yet stagnated in the lower reaches of the ladder the whole time.

And in regards to all this, you only have to look at the almost teams like Essendon or St Kilda with their revolving doors of coaches and endless, endless pre-seasons for no real substantive improvement or progress.

etc. etc.

The reality is , all cherry picking on any side aside. Some do , some don't. Some will, some won't. Before this descends into a Racey song I can't see anyone providing guarantees any which way..

The only thing that seems stable ( of a fashion) and currently very predictable is we're trending down and we kick more points than goals more often than not.

The current regime seems unable to right that ship. Logic* suggests change.

*No cherry picking required 😉

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

The current regime seems unable to right that ship. Logic* suggests change.

No. "Logic" suggests that you have to look at ALL factors, not just "the current regime".

But heh, at the end of the day the human brain is lazy and would prefer easy answers (which is why fools like Trump get elected), and "the current regime" is as easy as it gets when it comes to scapegoating.

4 minutes ago, bing181 said:

No. "Logic" suggests that you have to look at ALL factors, not just "the current regime".

But heh, at the end of the day the human brain is lazy and would prefer easy answers (which is why fools like Trump get elected), and "the current regime" is as easy as it gets when it comes to scapegoating.

No good with logic I'd suggest Bing.

The current regime has created ALL the factors. He's been there over 9 years

The easy answer is to stuck your head in the sand and pretend it will just come good.

Goodwin isn't the scapegoat. He's not accidentally compromised by being in proximity. He IS the Coach. He's da man !! The man in charge of others who he's picked to shape and form us.

It's 2025 and we're [censored].

For all anyone know maybe Goody isn't even looking to coach us beyond his current deal. Doesn't his new wife and her kids live in Sydney? He could get an assistants gig up there and take over from Dean Cox if things go pear shaped at the swans.