14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes an ongoing problem with the MFC is that Players have always “switched on” or switched off” sporadically.

2021 is the only year since Norm Smith was in charge that we have been mentally tuned in for an entire season.

The Filth, Jeeelong and Hawthorn have a high standard that is adhered too year after year, yes they have dips in their performances, but those performances are outliers. Whereas with the MFC we for whatever reason cannot stay at a high level

Chris Scott or Craig McCrae would not put up with a disfunctional Forward Line for multiple seasons, so why should we accept it.

We went out of the ‘23 Final Series because of Bad Kicking…Since then the situation has only gotten worse

In what other Profession would Goodwin and his assistants survive with their current record since 2021…??

The Last 30 Games

10 Wins

20 Losses

Our list is better than that, the Standards set by the Club are either Not High Enough or they are not Enforced

Many if us have commented since early ‘22 that the Team was winning ugly, but the Forward Line was not in a good place.

and yet the Head Coach tells us every week that the system is being worked on.

Enough of this Charade…

Playing charades is fun, this Chsrade aint!

Edited June 16Jun 16 by picket fence

2 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

It's actually quite embarrassing considering our talent vs Their's. Apart from JHF, Rozee, Georgiades, Butters and Farrell, none of their other players would probably be in our best 22.

In the end it was their best players versus ours and they won convincingly.

Think about who was a standout yesterday and convincingly beat their direct opponent? Id say Bowey, Kozzy for a half and Gawn here and there with an asterisk.

Port were primed for the game and we were running with a bunch of kids and NQR's.

One thing again stood out was Bowey's ball use. He is very good with his run and carry. We can build on that for starters.

3 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

In the end it was their best players versus ours and they won convincingly.

Think about who was a standout yesterday and convincingly beat their direct opponent? Id say Bowey, Kozzy for a half and Gawn here and there with an asterisk.

Port were primed for the game and we were running with a bunch of kids and NQR's.

One thing again stood out was Bowey's ball use. He is very good with his run and carry. We can build on that for starters.

Except the one where he kicked straight to the port player who duly goaled, or was that Mc Vee?

21 hours ago, Superunknown said:

There is no way Goodwin is the coach for the duration of pickett’s contract

No way

Unless he flags this year and makes finals every second year hence

Not happening otherwise

Not the 9 years hell no. Just a duration of time that exceeds any sacking talk.

But honestly, as much as I'm not fully in the sack Goodwin camp. A bottom 4 finish will do him absolutely no favours.

11 hours ago, bing181 said:

You don't even need to doubt, changing coaches would achieve nothing. (Has been shown countless times.)

Real change can only come through list change.

There is definitely a middle ground, bing.

A different coach could change things, but Goody is also coaching to the list that won a flag and finished top 4 with the old game style.

IMV, our best approach is to be super aggressive with list management, make some tough decisions at the end of 2025 and let Goody coach for his Melbourne career in 2026.

4 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

There is definitely a middle ground, bing.

A different coach could change things, but Goody is also coaching to the list that won a flag and finished top 4 with the old game style.

IMV, our best approach is to be super aggressive with list management, make some tough decisions at the end of 2025 and let Goody coach for his Melbourne career in 2026.

This is certainly the most likely. Will we be aggressive at the trade table, that is the question.

Another gift from Roffey and Pert that keeps on giving.

Goodwin needs to go at years end, I fear what our membership will be next year if he’s still around. A whole coaching clean out is needed.

Ironic that Pert, Roffey and Goodwin kept saying we won’t become complacent, yet as it turns out, it is these 3 that have been shown to be the most of anyone at the club.

3 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

There is definitely a middle ground, bing.

A different coach could change things, but Goody is also coaching to the list that won a flag and finished top 4 with the old game style.

IMV, our best approach is to be super aggressive with list management, make some tough decisions at the end of 2025 and let Goody coach for his Melbourne career in 2026.

If Goody does stay then we a very good forward coach to come in. I wouldn’t mind even a specialist key forward coach to come in over the summer in addition to a new forward coach.

Agree about being aggressive with our list management this off season. Problem is it’s not the best year to do so given we don’t have a current first rounder and this draft is meant to be poor in terms of quality and depth.

It will make it more difficult to pick up a gem or two with later or rookie picks.

I think we need a min of 5/6 players that can have an impact next year. If we put out 2 future first on the table and don’t get it right then it will be a very long road back.

Even if we were to get Jackson for those two FF we still have a lot of holes to fill with not a lot of capital.

5 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

A different coach could change things

People keep repeating this ad nauseam, but in actual fact, there's little evidence for that, either in the AFL or the across other sports internationally.

Bringing in a new coach with a few new key players is a different story. Though equally, bringing in a few new key players in itself is a different story.

9 minutes ago, bing181 said:

People keep repeating this ad nauseam, but in actual fact, there's little evidence for that, either in the AFL or the across other sports internationally.

Bringing in a new coach with a few new key players is a different story. Though equally, bringing in a few new key players in itself is a different story.

That's not true.

A very good example in AFL that many point to is Collingwood. They finished 17th in 2021...

6 minutes ago, bing181 said:

People keep repeating this ad nauseam, but in actual fact, there's little evidence for that, either in the AFL or the across other sports internationally.

Bringing in a new coach with a few new key players is a different story. Though equally, bringing in a few new key players in itself is a different story.

Plenty of good examples.

Craig Macrae took Collingwood from second last to a prelim and a flag the following year.

Luke Beveridge took the Dogs from bottom 6 to finals in his first year and a flag the following year.

Ken Hinkley took Port from a bottom four side to finals in his first year and a Prelim the year after.

Adam Simpson took West Coast from 13th to 9th and then a Grand Final in the following year.

Coaches aren't everything but they're a pretty important piece of the puzzle.

19 minutes ago, Colm said:

If Goody does stay then we a very good forward coach to come in. I wouldn’t mind even a specialist key forward coach to come in over the summer in addition to a new forward coach.

Agree about being aggressive with our list management this off season. Problem is it’s not the best year to do so given we don’t have a current first rounder and this draft is meant to be poor in terms of quality and depth.

It will make it more difficult to pick up a gem or two with later or rookie picks.

I think we need a min of 5/6 players that can have an impact next year. If we put out 2 future first on the table and don’t get it right then it will be a very long road back.

Even if we were to get Jackson for those two FF we still have a lot of holes to fill with not a lot of capital.

Let's be serious. What difference does it make who coaches the forwards ..IF... if Goody's game pays scant respect to honour leads.

I see nothing in our footy that does.

We just lob on heads

Goodwin has always relied on weight of numbers to generate score. It's all about getting the ball as deep as possible creating a contest and defending the exits. Lock the ball inside the forward half and keep pumping it in. Eventually a shot at goal will materialise.

That is how he believes we should play and basically always has. He hates turnovers and intercept marks, so leading forwards aren't worth it. Crowd up the forwardline, make a contest and bring it to ground. A ball up or a throw in is a win for Goodwin.

Anyone who thinks we are actually trying to change the way we enter our forward 50 is kidding themselves. It's more of the same and we will continue to play this way until he's gone.

Just now, KozzyCan said:

Goodwin has always relied on weight of numbers to generate score. It's all about getting the ball as deep as possible creating a contest and defending the exits. Lock the ball inside the forward half and keep pumping it in. Eventually a shot at goal will materialise.

That is how he believes we should play and basically always has. He hates turnovers and intercept marks, so leading forwards aren't worth it. Crowd up the forwardline, make a contest and bring it to ground. A ball up or a throw in is a win for Goodwin.

Anyone who thinks we are actually trying to change the way we enter our forward 50 is kidding themselves. It's more of the same and we will continue to play this way until he's gone.

Nailed it.

British Bulldog 1,2,3

Footy's equivalent a force majeur.

It's really the dumbest game in town atm.

16 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Nailed it.

British Bulldog 1,2,3

Footy's equivalent a force majeur.

It's really the dumbest game in town atm.

The funny thing is if we kicked for goal to the AFL average we’d be 8-5 so we’re really not as far away as you think

2 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

The funny thing is if we kicked for goal to the AFL average we’d be 8-5 so we’re really not as far away as you think

I kind of agree... or want to, but there's a huge problem, it's not just a matter of doing something just a little bit different. For us it seems to be something very much materially different.

This week does brilliantly highlight the supposed 'small' disparity.. if only !!

3 hours ago, VNightCityLegend said:

Round 3, 2017 v Geelong:

"It was frustrating. Clearly you've got to kick goals to win games of footy and we didn't do that today,"

Round 5, 2018 v richmond

"We didn't connect well forward of centre. It's been a little bit of a tale of some of our games this year where we've struggled to connect and have efficiency inside forward 50.”

Round 21, 2018 v Sydney

"We didn't connect well forward of centre. It's been a little bit of a tale of some of our games this year where we've struggled to connect and have efficiency inside forward 50.”

Round 6, 2019 v Richmond

"We had our opportunities through the middle of the ground, but we couldn't connect with our handball and our kicking,"

Round 15 and 16, 2020 against lowly Sydney and Freo were the same. Inefficiency cost us finals.

Now 2022 onwards, the same old BS keep repeating! Even after a flag, this club finds new ways of disappointing fans.

Inefficiency, moving the ball inside 50 and goal kicking has been an issue ever since Goodwin took over. 2021 was better, but we were still 10th overall for inside 50 to goal conversion.

Simply unsustainable. So much energy finding the ball only to squander chance after chance, it is little wonder why we have experienced severe mental and physical burnout. Idiotic coaching and man management from the entire football department in general.

I envy the likes of Collingwood and Geelong, I really do.. they just find answers to problems and often than not solve them in quick time.

Bloody good summary Vnight.

We were expecting to make finals this season as per comments from the MFC at the start of the season and that doesn’t look anything like what we will be doing. Based on form we will be bottom 4.

Not good enough and Goodwin can’t fix it. Time to go.

6 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

The funny thing is if we kicked for goal to the AFL average we’d be 8-5 so we’re really not as far away as you think

Are you basing this on expected score? With the exception of the Giants game that argument only works if our opponents also don't kick above average in those games.

Too much being left too small margins either way.

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

People keep repeating this ad nauseam, but in actual fact, there's little evidence for that, either in the AFL or the across other sports internationally.

Neale Danniher 1998….??

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

People keep repeating this ad nauseam, but in actual fact, there's little evidence for that, either in the AFL or the across other sports internationally.

Bringing in a new coach with a few new key players is a different story. Though equally, bringing in a few new key players in itself is a different story.

You're of the opinion Collingwood made the wrong choice sacking Buckley?

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

Goodwin has always relied on weight of numbers to generate score. It's all about getting the ball as deep as possible creating a contest and defending the exits. Lock the ball inside the forward half and keep pumping it in. Eventually a shot at goal will materialise.

That is how he believes we should play and basically always has. He hates turnovers and intercept marks, so leading forwards aren't worth it. Crowd up the forwardline, make a contest and bring it to ground. A ball up or a throw in is a win for Goodwin.

Anyone who thinks we are actually trying to change the way we enter our forward 50 is kidding themselves. It's more of the same and we will continue to play this way until he's gone.

I Agree with all of the above, but what blows my mind is the lack of elite Goalkicking to finish the job

Our Forward entries (and there is always a lot of them) has always been Hack & Hope, this was mentioned on here in 2018, and the basic philosophy of it has always remained

In ‘21 we won the Flag because the Team was Super Fit and we were fortunate to get some good games out of Benny Brown running into September

Forward Craft has always been neglected under the Goodwin tenure

Not sure why the previous CEO & President extended his contract in 22 understandable but again in 23 i believe why? What concerns me is when I hear him say outcomes are the driver but rather the environment etc well I’m sorry Simon we are in a win loss industry

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

Plenty of good examples.

Craig Macrae took Collingwood from second last to a prelim and a flag the following year.

Luke Beveridge took the Dogs from bottom 6 to finals in his first year and a flag the following year.

Ken Hinkley took Port from a bottom four side to finals in his first year and a Prelim the year after.

Adam Simpson took West Coast from 13th to 9th and then a Grand Final in the following year.

Coaches aren't everything but they're a pretty important piece of the puzzle.

Spot on

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I Agree with all of the above, but what blows my mind is the lack of elite Goalkicking to finish the job

Our Forward entries (and there is always a lot of them) has always been Hack & Hope, this was mentioned on here in 2018, and the basic philosophy of it has always remained

In ‘21 we won the Flag because the Team was Super Fit and we were fortunate to get some good games out of Benny Brown running into September

Forward Craft has always been neglected under the Goodwin tenure

Doesn't even need to be elite kicking Sir Why. Converting at average AFL standard would paint a much different picture

16 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

You're of the opinion Collingwood made the wrong choice sacking Buckley?

It's a little Schroedinger and at same time not. Does that make it Schroedinger-Schroedinger ??

Changing coaches guarantees nothing other than different. Goody goes, Someone comes ... what changes ?? Well that's the $64 question though probability and logic suggests it won't be the same. Better ?? Who the ..... knows. Ideally you have ( that is club has ) chosen someone displaying a new direction.

Or... do nothing...get nowhere.

Nowhere ?? Well the same b.s. has been rolled out year after year. ( refer post above somwhere references Goodwin press conferences.. same,same , same ... and...................yep )

The Brickwall needs a rest !

21 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Not sure why the previous CEO & President extended his contract in 22 understandable but again in 23 i believe why? What concerns me is when I hear him say outcomes are the driver but rather the environment etc well I’m sorry Simon we are in a win loss industry

Spot on

Mind you in 2023 they extended him before finals. Should have let him earn the extension by delivering in September.