14 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I bet you he hasn't had 2 shocking years in a row

2 shocking years? Last year we were in the 8 up until the last half-dozen games, when the cumulative effect of losing our 2 best players became too much. This year we've played 3 matches, one of which we lost by a kick, even though we were playing kids and first-gamers (due to injuries to first-choice players). Since then we've had 2 bad games, and that's enough to have people like you throwing your toys out of the cot.

It's not the players who need to toughen up.

1 minute ago, bing181 said:

2 shocking years? Last year we were in the 8 up until the last half-dozen games, when the cumulative effect of losing our 2 best players became too much. This year we've played 3 matches, one of which we lost by a kick, even though we were playing kids and first-gamers (due to injuries to first-choice players). Since then we've had 2 bad games, and that's enough to have people like you throwing your toys out of the cot.

It's not the players who need to toughen up.

The last half of the year was shocking the first half of the year means nothing considering how badly we fell away. 2 shocking defeats against 2 teams that have barely won a game until this year. It's got alarm bells ringing. The club or any club won't stand for continual beltings. Goodwin and theclub have to be competitive soon or he won't have a job as simple as that.

Our players are good at winning the ball and thumping it forward but we are now asking them to play an offense which involves fast running, gut running, intricate passing by hand and by foot along with teamwork and playing as a team

A same game plan that requires exquisite foot skills, no fumbling and creating space and seperation

Right now, it's a bridge too far but by seasons end we'll know which players can adapt and those that can't adapt

I cannot see us going back to the old ways of thumping it forward

So just imagine if you were overseeing all this as the coach? No self-doubts, just keep reinforcing the message, over and over again and hoping like hell that it will work

So, we need to cut Goodwin some slack

He could have stuck to the old ways and maybe eked out 10 or 11 wins but instead of that, he's stuck his neck out and taken a risk

We had high hopes but in my view, the next flag will need a new group of players, combined with a number of experienced players to complement that new group

Edited March 31Mar 31 by Macca

3 minutes ago, Macca said:

Our players are good at winning the ball and thumping it forward but we are now asking them to play an offense which involves fast running, gut running, intricate passing by hand and by foot along with teamwork and playing as a team

A same game plan that requires exquisite foot skills, no fumbling and creating space and seperation

Right now, it's a bridge too far but by seasons end we'll know which players can adapt and those that can't adapt

I cannot see us going back to the old ways of thumping it forward

So just imagine if you were overseeing all this as the coach? No self-doubts, just keep reinforcing the message, over and over again and hoping like hell that it will work

So, we need to cut Goodwin some slack

He could have stuck to the old ways and maybe eked out 10 or 11 wins but instead of that, he's stuck his neck out and taken a risk

We had high hopes but in my view, the next flag will need a new group of players, combined with a number of experienced players to complement that new group

Who are the 3 players you would try to bring in? Any that are feasible.

Oscar Allen I think is not a necessity at the moment. We can't even deliver properly in our FWD 50.

On 30/03/2025 at 08:41, Demonsone said:

Goodwin has no other game plan than contest & defence, the new one failed last season & switched back mid season & this year it’s failing miserably…

Sorry D'one... what game plan are you referring to?

12 minutes ago, Macca said:

Our players are good at winning the ball and thumping it forward but we are now asking them to play an offense which involves fast running, gut running, intricate passing by hand and by foot along with teamwork and playing as a team

A same game plan that requires exquisite foot skills, no fumbling and creating space and seperation

Right now, it's a bridge too far but by seasons end we'll know which players can adapt and those that can't adapt

I cannot see us going back to the old ways of thumping it forward

So just imagine if you were overseeing all this as the coach? No self-doubts, just keep reinforcing the message, over and over again and hoping like hell that it will work

So, we need to cut Goodwin some slack

He could have stuck to the old ways and maybe eked out 10 or 11 wins but instead of that, he's stuck his neck out and taken a risk

We had high hopes but in my view, the next flag will need a new group of players, combined with a number of experienced players to complement that new group

Sorry if this is picky Macca but if you're referring to this season so far, early days i realise, but we are presently ranked as the worst clearances team in the AFL.

So i'm not sure that we are even 'good' at that aspect you mentioned there.

Breaking it down we are ranked 14th for centre clearances and stone motherless last for stoppage clearances.

Just now, ElDiablo14 said:

Who are the 3 players you would try to bring in? Any that are feasible.

Oscar Allen I think is not a necessity at the moment. We can't even deliver properly in our FWD 50.

I'd just load up through the draft if it came to it. By seasons end, we'll know a lot more about which players are committed and those that may not be committed

And those with trade value that we might be better off trading. Right now, it's more of a guessing game

I'd definitely keep Kozzie but I'm not sure on 5 or 6 others (not 6 in all but 3 or 4 out of 5 or 6) Working both ways, those who might request a trade and those who we might help facilitate a trade

As an example ... say we had a forward who might think he has a better chance at excelling at another club

Or a mid who is being squeezed out of midfield minutes and is surplus to needs

It's not hard to figure out who I might be talking about, in both instances

Sounds dramatic but in order to get what you need, you have to give up a fair bit

Our trump card is Jason Taylor so we need to give him something to work with. Right now, we don't have a first round pick but that can change

It's just a wild guess but I reckon we'll end up with at least 2 first round picks and 3 or 4 x 2nd round picks

Why? Because we need to keep rebuilding the list with players who have great foot skills along with players who have excellent leg speed

We need to plan for the next flag assault

We've started doing so with McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Lindsay & Langford but it doesn't stop there

Edited March 31Mar 31 by Macca

Just now, Demon Dynasty said:

Sorry if this is picky Macca but if you're referring to this season so far, early days i realise, but we are presently ranked as the worst clearances team in the AFL.

So i'm not sure that we are even 'good' at that aspect you mentioned there.

Breaking it down we are ranked 14th for centre clearances and stone motherless last for stoppage clearances.

You are right, I should have said 'have' been (winning the ball and thumping it forward)

Bring in Hinkley as an assistant next year. He’ll be sacked by the bye round.

Hell then get Butters over the line with whatever we can muster with the change we get from Oliver or Trac or both.

Keep Kozzy at all costs.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

https://x.com/FootyonNine/status/1906660716611781002

Refused to Run and Refused to Chase

Thanks Guys….

So glad i sent $900 to the Club last August….

Too much Love, not enough hard work

9 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

At what point do we say that experiment has failed?

As of NOW, REEKS of woke!

8 hours ago, bing181 said:

That would be Brad Green.

There's more than a little validity to such a notion.

Is he just trying to steer a ship through an ice field or does he actually have a course in mind ?

Strikes me we are impotent as a club.

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

Goodwin's not going anywhere, the Board won't sack him because of a few disgruntled fans. Even a lot of disgruntled fans. Port fans have been calling for Hinkley's head for almost as long as he's been there, yet he's still into his 13th year.

Within the club everyone would understand what's going on.

I doubt very much he will be sacked before seasons end. The club don’t need the drama. It won’t surprise if he decides he’s had enough at years end although we may get our best 23 on the park in a month and storm home.

They should be sounding out a new coach ready to step in.

He hasn’t evolved & alarm bells by his own admission who flipped back to the old game plan in 2024, they failed to trade in any decent power fwd to take a contest mark from the tonne of fwd50 entries! They need to be bold and trade Oliver & target fwds

36 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

They should be sounding out a new coach ready to step in.

You can't really fully commit to that until you sack the current coach.

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

2 shocking years? Last year we were in the 8 up until the last half-dozen games, when the cumulative effect of losing our 2 best players became too much. This year we've played 3 matches, one of which we lost by a kick, even though we were playing kids and first-gamers (due to injuries to first-choice players). Since then we've had 2 bad games, and that's enough to have people like you throwing your toys out of the cot.

It's not the players who need to toughen up.

I agree a lot of people are overreacting but last year from the Dockers game onwards was poor. Remember we also put in a no show on Queen's Birthday, lost to the Eagles, gave up a 50 point lead vs North, and had multiple 8+ goal losses. There were some good wins in there too but broadly in was a poor end to the year. Shocking is an overstatement though.

9 hours ago, Macca said:

Our players are good at winning the ball and thumping it forward but we are now asking them to play an offense which involves fast running, gut running, intricate passing by hand and by foot along with teamwork and playing as a team

A same game plan that requires exquisite foot skills, no fumbling and creating space and seperation

Right now, it's a bridge too far but by seasons end we'll know which players can adapt and those that can't adapt

I cannot see us going back to the old ways of thumping it forward

So just imagine if you were overseeing all this as the coach? No self-doubts, just keep reinforcing the message, over and over again and hoping like hell that it will work

So, we need to cut Goodwin some slack

He could have stuck to the old ways and maybe eked out 10 or 11 wins but instead of that, he's stuck his neck out and taken a risk

We had high hopes but in my view, the next flag will need a new group of players, combined with a number of experienced players to complement that new group

Goody did also say in an interview that it will take time, especially early season. So he was definitely upfront and honest with that assessment.

Whether he is the right person to take us forward I’m not sure, but at least the club is working on changing the list so we can compete again. Look at the players we brought in who have actually been in our top handful players so far, Lindsay and Langford. Both are elite runners and kicks, which we lacked up until the last few years.

It’s blindingly obvious our main issues atm are a lack of personnel to execute the gameplan but also I think because it isn’t ingrained, players are second guessing themselves a lot which leads to skill errors. We need to move forward with the times though so no going back now, full steam ahead with the modern gameplan and seeya to players who get left behind.

Anyone care to take a stab at what this "New" game plan looks like,coz all I've seen is more cataclysmic continuation of last years 'bomb' into the forward line fiasco. What makes it worse is our previously contested ball strength is now gone. Players look shellshocked and coach appears clueless!

3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Anyone care to take a stab at what this "New" game plan looks like,coz all I've seen is more cataclysmic continuation of last years 'bomb' into the forward line fiasco. What makes it worse is our previously contested ball strength is now gone. Players look shellshocked and coach appears clueless!

Too hard to tell without the required players on the park to execute the necessary skills. The last two games are basically null and void as our skills have been so shocking.

Waiting to see what Mcvee, Kozzie, Windsor, Langford, Lindsay in the same team looks like before I can even judge what the plan is personally.

12 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Anyone care to take a stab at what this "New" game plan looks like,coz all I've seen is more cataclysmic continuation of last years 'bomb' into the forward line fiasco. What makes it worse is our previously contested ball strength is now gone. Players look shellshocked and coach appears clueless!

I'd say it would be similar to sides like Hawthorn and Giants.

Looking to score more points from the defensive half, which is what the best sides are doing and why us and Carlton are both struggling.

10 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Who are the 3 players you would try to bring in? Any that are feasible.

Oscar Allen I think is not a necessity at the moment. We can't even deliver properly in our FWD 50.

I would hope that we are into Butters and Gruzewski

1 hour ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Goody did also say in an interview that it will take time, especially early season. So he was definitely upfront and honest with that assessment.

Whether he is the right person to take us forward I’m not sure, but at least the club is working on changing the list so we can compete again. Look at the players we brought in who have actually been in our top handful players so far, Lindsay and Langford. Both are elite runners and kicks, which we lacked up until the last few years.

It’s blindingly obvious our main issues atm are a lack of personnel to execute the gameplan but also I think because it isn’t ingrained, players are second guessing themselves a lot which leads to skill errors. We need to move forward with the times though so no going back now, full steam ahead with the modern gameplan and seeya to players who get left behind.

So in the meantime, we should all be blaming the players who are making the fundamental errors, not the coaching

For instance, if Billings chokes in front of goal, how can that be the fault of Goodwin? Or if Rivers fumbles or Viney misses another target? ⁷

And yes, we are trying to change and Goodwin has said there will be teething issues. And he is right, it's not a magic wand situation

We have to give the new game plan a chance to take hold but there's a chance that the players (as a group) may not be able to change

And if that happens, it won't be just the coach copping it in the neck. We'll need a host of new players

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

So in the meantime, we should all be blaming the players who are making the fundamental errors, not the coaching

For instance, if Billings chokes in front of goal, how can that be the fault of Goodwin? Or if Rivers fumbles or Viney misses another target? ⁷

And yes, we are trying to change and Goodwin has said there will be teething issues. And he is right, it's not a magic wand situation

We have to give the new game plan a chance to take hold but there's a chance that the players (as a group) may not be able to change

And if that happens, it won't be just the coach copping it in the neck. We'll need a host of new players

100% agree. Could say the same thing about the 2023 finals series, kick 9.17 against the Blues you can't really blame Goodwin for that when you generate that many shots.

I guess the one blame is the gameplan wasn't conducive to generating high quality shots, but still should've won by 3-4 goals.

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

So in the meantime, we should all be blaming the players who are making the fundamental errors, not the coaching

For instance, if Billings chokes in front of goal, how can that be the fault of Goodwin? Or if Rivers fumbles or Viney misses another target? ⁷

And yes, we are trying to change and Goodwin has said there will be teething issues. And he is right, it's not a magic wand situation

We have to give the new game plan a chance to take hold but there's a chance that the players (as a group) may not be able to change

And if that happens, it won't be just the coach copping it in the neck. We'll need a host of new players

Langford, Lindsay, Windsor, McVee, Rivers, Pickett, JVR, Turner, Tholstrup and Petty is a very strong basis from which to grow a team. It’s really up to Petracca and Oliver whether they want to hang around and help out or chase glory elsewhere. If this year doesn’t improve, which I think it will, I’d take the picks and move them on.