Oliver Trade Rumours

[Jaded No More 68,600]

1 minute ago, Adam The God said:

That was Cameron Schwab's MO was it not? And we know how that ended.

It's also what ultimately got Pert sacked at the Pies.

History repeating, with a president at the helm that allowed Gutnick to pull the wool over his eyes.

Lord help us.

[Ted Lasso 18,905]

Just now, daisycutter said:

time for another famous  pert public statement and letter to members

i bet i could almost guess it word for word

"After i have reviewed my own performance and swept all failings under the rug, i have concluded we have the greatest culture in AFL history and i've signed an extension for 20 more years"

 

[The Jackson FIX 2,828]

25 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Maybe let's start by keeping the CEO out of list management decisions? 

What if the current ‘investigation’ being run at the club (which is due to end soon I think?) has already arrived at a recommendation that the best thing for the club was for a certain player not to be there anymore? That might explain why the CEO is involved. 

[dazzledavey36 53,226]

7 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

It's hard to remember a time in recent years where I've been angrier with this football club.

I back and support this club always, but letting Pert throw Clarry under the bus, when he's worked his behind off and is well loved by his teammates, is just utterly putrid. 

Where the [censored] is our list manager, coach and football manager? Because I don't remember the last time a CEO has made list management decisions.

 

I agree it's an absolute disgrace.

Pert needs to go, this is Cam Schwab levels all over again.

[Sir Why You Little 36,735]

There is another side to this, maybe just maybe, Oliver hasn’t held up his end of a  bargain. 
We don’t know enough of the internal day to day situation. 
But if Pert is having discussions, then it’s difficult to believe Clarry has been squeaky clean 

[Adam The God 29,635]

2 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

What if the current ‘investigation’ being run at the club (which is due to end soon I think?) has already arrived at a recommendation that the best thing for the club was for a certain player not to be there anymore? That might explain why the CEO is involved. 

Again, it's not up to Pert to be calling other footy departments and floating players.

[KozzyCan 546]

9 minutes ago, sue said:

I don't think it foilows that Pert is " making list management decisions ".   If this is true (and it's always a big IF), he could be doing it as requested by the people who do the list management.  He have had no involvement with the decision, just is the messenger boy,

This doesn't explain why the club is saying we're not trading him and didn't know Oliver was meeting with other clubs. Two completely different stories indicates some of the decision makers have been blindsided by this.

[Jaded No More 68,600]

1 minute ago, The Jackson FIX said:

What if the current ‘investigation’ being run at the club (which is due to end soon I think?) has already arrived at a recommendation that the best thing for the club was for a certain player not to be there anymore? That might explain why the CEO is involved. 

No it wouldn't.

The CEO should not be calling clubs trying to trade a player. 

On what goddamn planet is that an appropriate use of his time or his skills? 

Clarry has the support of (almost all) his teammates and Goody. To be used as a pawn in Pert's optics to make us look like we have a great culture, is a disgrace.
No wonder players are not picking up the phone to Tim Lamb... maybe they should ring Perty instead. 

Just have a long hard think how this mskes our club look when the CEO is going above the list manager, football manager and coach's heads to try and offload a player for optics.

 

[DeesignerAU 349]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

There is another side to this, maybe just maybe, Oliver hasn’t held up his end of a  bargain. 
We don’t know enough of the internal day to day situation. 
But if Pert is having discussions, then it’s difficult to believe Clarry has been squeaky clean 

Where there's smoke....

[brendan 3,433]

@goodwindees any inside word on this debacle 

[BillyBeane 253]

4 hours ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

I still don't think the Cats have anything to give us, aside from TWO established players (and that requires said players to actually want to leave - because let's face it, the Cats are playing, at worst, a prelim next year), so I am not sure how this gets done, even if Clarry wants it to get done. For whatever reason. 

However, I will say this - IF this gets done - which could only be for a packet of chips - I think I might be done with footy for a while. The last couple of years have been exhausting. We went from being on the cusp of a dynasty to rabble in just 3 short years. Partly a media beat-up, sure, but also partly our own doing. The constant culture scrutiny, Goody beat-ups, our poor comms, the Petracca drama (which has not truly gone away) has me tired. I want to love following my club, but this shizen has me sighing every time I open my browser. You'd have to argue there is even greater impetus for a review, and I would expect to see more of an outcome. Who exactly is going to play for us next year? No Clarry, and ??? with Petracca (in general, but also what kind of player he'll actually be with his injuries) does not bode well for us. That's a bottom 4 finish, easy. (Very small) window closed. Max, May and Jack play out contracts for a rebuild. We were not far off a bottom 4 finish this year, and we had Petracca for half a year! And admittedly an underdone (but still good/v good at times Clarry). What a debacle.

Why can't we just be a stable team? Why don't the cats deal with this stuff? 

Anyway, it's all a big IF for now, but as a 20+ year member I am not happy.

Melbourne Supporters deserve better than what has been dished up since about Round 11 2022.

[demoniac 1,316]

17 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Best non playing acquisition in the modern day history of the MFC.

 

Jim Cardwell says hello!

[The Jackson FIX 2,828]

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

No it wouldn't.

The CEO should not be calling clubs trying to trade a player. 

On what goddamn planet is that an appropriate use of his time or his skills? 

Clarry has the support of (almost all) his teammates and Goody. To be used as a pawn in Pert's optics to make us look like we have a great culture, is a disgrace.
No wonder players are not picking up the phone to Tim Lamb... maybe they should ring Perty instead. 

Just have a long hard think how this mskes our club look when the CEO is going above the list manager, football manager and coach's heads to try and offload a player for optics.

 

I’m not saying it is right but it might explain it. 

[58er 6,079]

6 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

This is to blatant to ignore. Complete overreach of his position appears to have blindsided others at the club.

You are obviously not going to give Perty any leeway. For about 3/4?years we have pretty met our Plan.  Ie TICK 

except for the base and that is totally understandable IMO.

And now after a bad year you are on his case and are gung ho that he is a failure. Even though the base has been updated. 

What do you want him to fall on his sword and resign and admit total failure even though the other parts/ personnel/ sections of the Club have failed and not him personally. 

At this stage we don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water until the reviews have been completed. Surely you can see there is nothing to be gained yet as a knee jerk reaction. Cool the jets and let’s get the reviews completed during October as advised. 

[Ollie fan 3,157]

7 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

What if the current ‘investigation’ being run at the club (which is due to end soon I think?) has already arrived at a recommendation that the best thing for the club was for a certain player not to be there anymore? That might explain why the CEO is involved. 

That is a fair point.

 

 Another possibility is that now that the season is over, Trade Radio has nothing to talk about except the vaguest of rumours which it elevates into "sources say".

[praha 11,217]

18 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

If it’s true that Pert shopped him around, then it’s deplorable that the club says that Oliver’s interview was news to them and they’re looking forward to him being in the red and blue for 2025. Serious gaslighting of Oliver and supporters.

I wouldn't be surprised. The football department would have signed off on the statement. The CEO has no place shopping players around. And the statement wouldn't have come across his desk.

That would be a sackable offense in a large corporate if the CEO was actively and privately going against the company's approved and confirmed messaging.

The board should act immediately if it's true.

[Viscount Cardwell 168]

2 minutes ago, demoniac said:

Jim Cardwell says hello!

Grandad says Hi back

[DeesignerAU 349]

Just now, 58er said:

You are obviously not going to give Perty any leeway. For about 3/4?years we have pretty met our Plan.  Ie TICK 

except for the base and that is totally understandable IMO.

And now after a bad year you are on his case and are gung ho that he is a failure. Even though the base has been updated. 

What do you want him to fall on his sword and resign and admit total failure even though the other parts/ personnel/ sections of the Club have failed and not him personally. 

At this stage we don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water until the reviews have been completed. Surely you can see there is nothing to be gained yet as a knee jerk reaction. Cool the jets and let’s get the reviews completed during October as advised. 

I just want a CEO who lives in the same state as the team we follow, bonus if he/she lives in Melbourne and I want someone who is willing to do the job not take shortcuts.

PS - Membership was always going to increase as a result of the premiership so that's not a tick for him.

[KozzyCan 546]

Just now, 58er said:

You are obviously not going to give Perty any leeway. For about 3/4?years we have pretty met our Plan.  Ie TICK 

except for the base and that is totally understandable IMO.

And now after a bad year you are on his case and are gung ho that he is a failure. Even though the base has been updated. 

What do you want him to fall on his sword and resign and admit total failure even though the other parts/ personnel/ sections of the Club have failed and not him personally. 

At this stage we don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water until the reviews have been completed. Surely you can see there is nothing to be gained yet as a knee jerk reaction. Cool the jets and let’s get the reviews completed during October as advised. 

What possible  reason could there be for Pert to be floating players on the trade table behind the clubs back? When has another CEO behaved in such a way?

[Adam The God 29,635]

1 minute ago, 58er said:

You are obviously not going to give Perty any leeway. For about 3/4?years we have pretty met our Plan.  Ie TICK 

except for the base and that is totally understandable IMO.

What are you talking about?

Cultural issues over the last 12+ months, struggling to land a shorts sponsor, horrendous club comms.

It's time for Pert to go.

[FreedFromDesire 710]

2 minutes ago, DeesignerAU said:

I just want a CEO who lives in the same state as the team we follow, bonus if he/she lives in Melbourne and I want someone who is willing to do the job not take shortcuts.

PS - Membership was always going to increase as a result of the premiership so that's not a tick for him.

I've seen you, and perhaps others, mention this a few times. My apologies if you have done so before, but can you please elaborate on this talk of Gary Pert living on the Gold Coast? Where did you hear that? Are you saying he does his job remotely as it stands? Thanks very much.

[Diamond_Jim 12,390]

Ironic

Trac takes out Roffey and now Oliver takes out Pert (metaphorically speaking)

Who is next you wonder

[sue 9,057]

20 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

In what world does the CEO become a list management messenger boy?

In a world where the actual list management people don't want to get too involved themselves so they get the CEO to vaguely raise the possibility.  If he gets some bites, then the list management people get involved.

Look I have no axe to grind on behalf of Pert.   But it seems to me that there is such hatred/frustration amongst some on here, that they always assume the worst about anything Pert does. (And no, just saying 'but things are bad and it's his fault' will not change my opinion that some here are just super-negative.)

Pert may be a disaster, but assuming he is involving himself in list management decisions without input from the list managers is just that - an assumption.  

[The heart beats true 17,904]

I’m confused. Where has it been stated that Pert lives in Noosa? Is that true?

[demoniac 1,316]

8 minutes ago, praha said:

I wouldn't be surprised. The football department would have signed off on the statement. The CEO has no place shopping players around. And the statement wouldn't have come across his desk.

That would be a sackable offense in a large corporate if the CEO was actively and privately going against the company's approved and confirmed messaging.

The board should act immediately if it's true.

What if its not ie Pert was executing an agreed plan signed off  by football department?

The idea that you could float a player for trade and think it would not leak is still naive.