2 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

I may be in the minority but I'd take Waterman in a heartbeat if we could get him.

Anyone know how effective he is when the ball is continuously kicked over his head when he's on the lead or otherwise  indiscriminately bombed into the forward line. If he's good at that then pay whatever it takes. Otherwise. Nah. 

Waterman and Houston would be huge acquisitions IMO. The right ones too. Doesn’t completely solve the midfield issue or address the Ruck dilemma, however it will allow Petty to swing back as TMac likely to retire and put Rivers permanently into the midfield. 

 

 

3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

Waterman’s manager is doing the right thing. He’s put out the bait. Dees have probably bitten. Waterman is looking to cash in now on his good form.  It’s up to the Eagles to stump up the cash to keep him. Presumably he’ll stay but it’s all like poker with some bluff and counter bluff moves.  

The real move for the eagles is to keep him for another year and sell him off as a free agent for another top 5 pick.

But with his injury issues he’s probably not going to happy sitting back and playing out the year for 400k

3 hours ago, Roost it far said:

For the money and length of contract it would take I’d prefer we chased others. You’re right though, someone’s paying overs for him

I don’t think that money and contract is getting near anyone better, in fact it’s probably unlikely to get anyone at all because key forwards any better than C graders so rarely become available. 

We’ve been looking for most of the last 5 years and we landed broken down Ben Brown and nothing else.

I don’t think we can hold out for better, we can only evaluate if the trade and contract are worth it and if he plays to this years level he will be.

Houston a decoy for Bergman. He is the one we are after 

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

I don’t think that money and contract is getting near anyone better, in fact it’s probably unlikely to get anyone at all because key forwards any better than C graders so rarely become available. 

We’ve been looking for most of the last 5 years and we landed broken down Ben Brown and nothing else.

I don’t think we can hold out for better, we can only evaluate if the trade and contract are worth it and if he plays to this years level he will be.

Sure but……there’s several buts that make this a risky deal. I’d be chasing high draft picks before putting big deals in front of NQR’s but that’s me.

Miles Bergman interested in a move to Victoria according to the midweek tackle, it’s a no brainer to chase him instead of Houston, six years younger and wouldn’t cost two first round picks 

This is not a sexy option, but hear me out… would we be interested in Jed Bews from the Cats purely as a lock down small defender? Would then allow us to use Bowey and McVee in more attacking roles. Unrestricted free agent I believe.

3 hours ago, Jeremy said:

Miles Bergman interested in a move to Victoria according to the midweek tackle, it’s a no brainer to chase him instead of Houston, six years younger and wouldn’t cost two first round picks 

Miles Bergman is a star. Was really disappointed we couldn’t get him in his draft year.  Would definitely get a 5-6 year contract offer ready.  

13 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Miles Bergman is a star. Was really disappointed we couldn’t get him in his draft year.  Would definitely get a 5-6 year contract offer ready.  

Jesus the term "star" gets banded fairly loosely around here.. 

A good up and coming young player but a star? Nah.. Kozzie Pickett, Christian Petracca and Clayton Oliver are stars.

This is his current stats playing as a half back/wingman.

3 hours ago, Jeremy said:

Miles Bergman interested in a move to Victoria according to the midweek tackle, it’s a no brainer to chase him instead of Houston, six years younger and wouldn’t cost two first round picks 

Bergman has elite disposal efficiency.  Elite marks.  Elite distance covered.  Elite interceptions. Elite rebounder.  Other stats aren’t indicative of a tall midsized defender.  

45 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Miles Bergman is a star. Was really disappointed we couldn’t get him in his draft year.  Would definitely get a 5-6 year contract offer ready.  

So you were disappointed we picked Kozzie over Bergman..? 

Wow, that's surely one of the best ever draft boards. Stars everywhere.

16 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So you were disappointed we picked Kozzie over Bergman..? 

Disappointed he was not available at later pick.  He went earlier than most had expected but Bergman improved during the draft year to end up in 1st round.  Happy with Jackson and Kozzzy of course as well as Riv. Disappointing we didn’t get Anderson.  Disappointed we didn’t get Serong. You cannot have all the cars in the showroom. It was a strong year which has been shown out.  

going to throw a left field idea here....

all the talk is Waterman as a big body KFP.  If we look at it, we would seek such a move for a big fwd target for a few more years as JVR, Jeffo etc further develop.

as an alternative, and not dissimilar (but probably more reliable), what about Sam Day from GC who is off contract and we offer him 3 years.  we will probably only get 2 out of him but big body, can mark, can kick and not getting run on GC over King, and youth.

maximise our window

Edited August 1, 20241 yr by BScotti

8 minutes ago, BScotti said:

going to throw a left field idea here....

all the talk is Waterman as a big body KFP.  If we look at it, we would seek such a move for a big fwd target for a few more years as JVR, Jeffo etc further develop.

as an alternative, and not dissimilar (but probably more reliable), what about Sam Day from GC who is off contract and we offer him 3 years.  we will probably only get 2 out of him but big body, can mark, can kick and not getting run on GC over King, and youth.

Probably more reliable.

He's 32 next month and IIRC injury prone.

I hear a lot coming out of the club usually and the one thing I haven't is the name Jake Waterman.

The one name we should be throwing everything we can at.

 

Tells me 1 out of 2 things:
Either another off season of disappointing recruitment where we don't identify how badly we need a key forward
Or 
We really want to keep this one close to our chest.

 

If this guy was Victorian he'd be the hottest talked about player. We should we throwing everything we have at him if we were serious. I can't believe we're not and I can't believe we'd identify any other position of need other than key forward

5 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

 

If this guy was Victorian he'd be the hottest talked about player. We should we throwing everything we have at him if we were serious. I can't believe we're not and I can't believe we'd identify any other position of need other than key forward

Back up Ruck perhaps? Can’t go into another season with all our hopes relying on a 33 year old Max staying fit and healthy. 
 

25 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

I hear a lot coming out of the club usually and the one thing I haven't is the name Jake Waterman.

The one name we should be throwing everything we can at.

 

Tells me 1 out of 2 things:
Either another off season of disappointing recruitment where we don't identify how badly we need a key forward
Or 
We really want to keep this one close to our chest.

 

If this guy was Victorian he'd be the hottest talked about player. We should we throwing everything we have at him if we were serious. I can't believe we're not and I can't believe we'd identify any other position of need other than key forward

Which names HAVE you heard then? 👀

I've always liked the saying "it's the midfield, stupid".

Whilst a hardened KPF would be great, I've come to the view that we need to add more elite talent to the midfield and even behind the ball.

We have a number of needs. Midfield, half backs, a KPF and a genuine back up or transition plan for Max.

I'd argue that the lowest of these priorities is a KPF. Would be nice, but we only have so much TPP and trade capital. 

Bolton and Graham are going West

Yze will have a wooden spoon and his best player gone in his first season

No way any coach could survive this situation

16 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Bolton and Graham are going West

Yze will have a wooden spoon and his best player gone in his first season

No way any coach could survive this situation

Baker and Rioli may follow too

They could be one of the worst sides ever if everyone rumoured to leave does

1 minute ago, adonski said:

Baker and Rioli may follow too

They could be one of the worst sides ever if everyone rumoured to leave does

Can we lure Yze back home to the Dees? Would be a dream scenario to have him as Goodwin's successor.

Yze has been sold an absolute lemon

 

13 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So you were disappointed we picked Kozzie over Bergman..? 

Sydney and Adel really picked the eyes out of that top 10