I like Saturday arvo footy.

And that’s why I don’t really care if we don’t “stand up for max” you end up giving free and a shot at goal like Sicily for just standing your ground 

2 meter Peter has been a great pick up for the Bombers. I thought he was a dud but he's turned into an excellent KPF. Another beautiful set shot to open his account for this season. 

  On 16/03/2024 at 02:31, Dee Zephyr said:

I like Saturday arvo footy.

Is that a new concept?

  On 16/03/2024 at 02:27, binman said:

Fair enough EO.

You're right, the way the swans (and dees and tigers) are playing is clearly a strategic and planned method - and as you suggest a fundamental element of her method is taking territory at all cost, though more by hand than foot. 

An you're also right, it is really a twist on  the approach tigers perfected in their flag years. 

Its worth noting though that Goody was experimenting in the 2023 preseason and first few games with really long handballs forward.

A better way of describing is perhaps that it looks somewhat chaotic. 

It's an interesting model becuase it is impossible to implement without hundreds hours of all team practice over the preseason, drilling it in, honing the handball skills (for example the increasingly used over the head and bounce handballs) and practicing positioning and structures.

On the latter point, how often did the Swans handball blind but still find teammate? That sort of synergy can't be magicked up, so if clubs didn't put in the time in the preseason its going to be all but impossible to implment in season.

From all the training reports, my observation at the two training sessions i've been too, and our three games it looks like we have done the work.

The other interesitng thing is it is a model that might be exposed come finals becuase each handball creates a trurnover opposrtubity.

But as i've noted i think there are now two seasons and two methods - home and and away and finals. 

Come finals the game devolves into the sort of brutal rugby scrap we saw last year (whilst still retaining elements of the home and away season method)

Really appreciate your observations @binman

The Swan's handball chains and fast movement have been great. You could see how it led to a much more open forward line for them last night.

I thought the pressure the Swan's brought sucked us in to too many short 1 metre handballs last week too. Didn't help on a small field perhaps.

More and more it becomes a hard fast running game. Our squad in general has had a few niggles. Hope our general fitness comes up to speed. You wonder how BB and Tmac will go with this game style at the moment. We'll see.

Looking forward to seeing us in more open space this weekend.

Stringer running like donald duck

think he may have missed a few preseason sessions

  On 16/03/2024 at 03:03, DubDee said:

Stringer running like donald duck

think he may have missed a few preseason sessions

I think he may have had extra sessions.

Stringer vs the Hawks

  On 15/03/2024 at 21:43, Ollie fan said:

Surely the Sydney win over Collingwood should ( but  it  won't) shut some of the doomsayers up - those who said, Melbourne is gone, we should be more like Collingwood etc etc.. They beat us by 22 pts on their home ground, with conditions they are used to which suited them. Collingwood lost by 33 pts on their home ground (yuk!) in conditions that suited Collingwood perfectly. 
 

Sydney is a very good team; they always are; losing to them is not the end of our season!

Ollie  - the doomsayers would say both Melbourne and Colonwood are doomed. 🙄

  On 15/03/2024 at 23:05, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Can Sydney’s style of footy under Longmire stack up on Grand Final day?

History suggests no.

I think they’ll have an outstanding home and away season but I’d be looking at others to win it all.

SYD handles the G layout outstandingly last night.  

  On 16/03/2024 at 02:59, Winners at last said:

Is that a new concept?

The AFL could have an all Saturday arvo round - the retro round. 

No Day is a big blow to the Hawk's spreading ability

  On 16/03/2024 at 03:01, Brownie said:

I thought the pressure the Swan's brought sucked us in to too many short 1 metre handballs last week too. Didn't help on a small field perhaps.

@Brownie

That's the thing, i don't think they sucked us into those handballs, i think those handballs were evidence of the tweak to our method, a method that now looks a lot like that of the Swans and tigers. 

You are right, fast movement is the key. And as Engorged Onion notes, so is getting territory at all costs. 

The pies used that philosophy to overcome the all team defence and zones we perfected and other teams have implemented. The only way to create space in your forward line is to go fast, so it is a method that makes sense (and why, as a generalization switching often doesn't). 

I reckon in part this handball based method is a reaction to the Pies method, which relies on there not being too much pressure on the kicker the ball is ultimately fed out too (usually Crisp, Pendlebury, SB or one of the daicos brothers).

What what was fascinating about the Swans Pies game, in addition to to the handballs, the Pies sweated on that out side player and gave them no peace.

But the Swans also often allowed the ball to be fed backwards, so daicos got ,many of his possessions in defensive, non threatening positions. Which is why despite getting so many possessions he was pretty ineffectual i thought. 

Edited March 16, 20241 yr by binman

Hopefully our goal kicking coach has moved over to the Mayflowers. 

Re Sam W... not selected or injured?

  On 16/03/2024 at 03:27, Diamond_Jim said:

Re Sam W... not selected or injured?

Working on some things.....

very average game this. 

Bombers ain’t doing anything with this list. Look forward to another decade of no bombers in finals. They’ll be scraping the barrel in 3-4 years time. Question who would you chase from this list?

  On 16/03/2024 at 03:16, monoccular said:

Hopefully our goal kicking coach has moved over to the Mayflowers. 

I think you mean the Mayblooms. 

Sydney looked pretty reasonable last night. A lot like they did against us. Although I really think that we would’ve had the points on a dry day. We were 1st to the ball, most of the first half.
Collingwood looked pretty poor under that kind of pressure. Looks like at least two clubs have pulled apart their weaknesses.  Still no one has cleaned up Maynard. Hopefully won’t be long.

Ess and Haw have both improved and will trouble a lot of teams this year. Don’t actually mind Ginnivan today. Normally can’t stand him. Odd. 
Can’t tell if my 4K TV is producing 4K with Kayo. It should be, but do I trust that Kayo has not just changed the label in the top right corner? It looks clear, but so does HD. Waiting for it to buffer for 5 minutes.

What’s with Watson been called the Wizard? playing his first game. has kicked two points from 3 touches. how about we wait till he earns a nickname?

picking a 170cm small fwd at pick 5 is umm brave

Can't wait for the Wise Men of The Press - the usual suspects, Corneyman, Llordi Lloydie, We wuz Robbo'ed, Nothing could be finer than Carolina Wilson, the spectacled, newly bearded Oracular Man, and such get their mits on the E Coli Wobbler post Premiership Blues syndrome, something NOBODY DARED TO MENTION ABOUT GEELONG because, after all, they could all focus on their favourite Betty Noirs namely the 2021 Premiers, something none of them have ever forgiven Melbourne for.

Imagine you had to do a shot every time Dal Santo said, “hamstring awareness”.. you’d be wasted. 

What is it anyway? “Unfortunately, we had to sub him off, he became aware he had hamstrings”

Edited March 16, 20241 yr by Ethan Tremblay

  On 16/03/2024 at 04:43, Monbon said:

Can't wait for the Wise Men of The Press - the usual suspects, Corneyman, Llordi Lloydie, We wuz Robbo'ed, Nothing could be finer than Carolina Wilson, the spectacled, newly bearded Oracular Man, and such get their mits on the E Coli Wobbler post Premiership Blues syndrome, something NOBODY DARED TO MENTION ABOUT GEELONG because, after all, they could all focus on their favourite Betty Noirs namely the 2021 Premiers, something none of them have ever forgiven Melbourne for.

And Jake Niall of the age hinted pre 22 season there was complacency at the club. 

Then we win 10 straight with sublime football.

Not monitoring the media this year was a brilliant move by me.

No kayo

 Haven't seen a front bar episode nor footy classified.

Sen is not on my listening list now.

Haven't watched any non Dee's games.

I highly recommend it.

Demonland fills my need for informed and uninformed commentary. Keep up the good work on my behalf everyone.

  On 16/03/2024 at 04:52, Demon17 said:

And Jake Niall of the age hinted pre 22 season there was complacency at the club. 

Then we win 10 straight with sublime football.

Not monitoring the media this year was a brilliant move by me.

No kayo

 Haven't seen a front bar episode nor footy classified.

Sen is not on my listening list now.

Haven't watched any non Dee's games.

I highly recommend it.

Demonland fills my need for informed and uninformed commentary. Keep up the good work on my behalf everyone.

And I don't read the papers.

Just Joeboys superb thread and subsequent feedback he receives

Any chance the Hawks will be this inaccurate next week?

Gee if only hawthorn kicked straight