Hore not taken as a Rookie.

Not sure what our pick situation is with spots, but maybe we kept a Rookie spot for him later, or someone else in Supplemental Draft,

Hard to keep up with all these different drafts.

Edited November 22, 20231 yr by Redleg

As Hore was a previously listed AFL player, I think we can just recruit him without needing to use a rookie draft pick.

10 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Hore not taken as a Rookie.

Not sure what our pick situation is with spots, but maybe we kept a Rookie spot for him later, or someone else in Supplemental Draft,

Hard to keep up with all these different drafts.

He removed his name from the draft to sign with us as a supplemental selection once that period opens (next week I believe). 

11 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He removed his name from the draft to sign with us as a supplemental selection once that period opens (next week I believe). 

So is our list full now, or do we have another rookie spot?

17 minutes ago, Redleg said:

So is our list full now, or do we have another rookie spot?

I believe it will be full once Hore comes onto the Rookie list.

Having said that, I'm fairly certain we can move Melksham to the "inactive" list due to his ACL and can possibly sign another ssp player or someone at the mid-season draft.

Not sure what happens when Melksham returns, presumably Melksham is the active player and his "replacement", so to speak, becomes ineligible for AFL games.

1 hour ago, Nascent said:

I believe it will be full once Hore comes onto the Rookie list.

Having said that, I'm fairly certain we can move Melksham to the "inactive" list due to his ACL and can possibly sign another ssp player or someone at the mid-season draft.

Not sure what happens when Melksham returns, presumably Melksham is the active player and his "replacement", so to speak, becomes ineligible for AFL games.

Page 111 of the new CBA spells out details of the Inactive List and it only mentions players with season ending injuries becoming inactive and able to be replaced. No contingency for players to go on the Inactive List for a period of time before being reactivated.

15 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Page 111 of the new CBA spells out details of the Inactive List and it only mentions players with season ending injuries becoming inactive and able to be replaced. No contingency for players to go on the Inactive List for a period of time before being reactivated.

Also considering we technically drafted him injured, it would be a pretty good loophole!

Apparently will be put on the list on the 27th of November?

2 hours ago, Nascent said:

I believe it will be full once Hore comes onto the Rookie list.

Having said that, I'm fairly certain we can move Melksham to the "inactive" list due to his ACL and can possibly sign another ssp player or someone at the mid-season draft.

Not sure what happens when Melksham returns, presumably Melksham is the active player and his "replacement", so to speak, becomes ineligible for AFL games.

I'm certainly not up with all the rules.  But, I was kinda surprised Melksham wasn't just put straight on to the long-term injured list, rather than delisting him and then adding him to Rookie list.

On 17/11/2023 at 05:05, picket fence said:

Turner wont make, it Hore a smart pick up!

What’s stopping Disco is the lack of consistent games in a row. Goody gives him one game and drops him after he did everything right vs the Swans.

On 17/11/2023 at 05:05, picket fence said:

Turner wont make, it Hore a smart pick up!

 

On 18/11/2023 at 08:47, deanox said:

I agree it's not a good idea. But I believe our coaches have shown repeatedly they value dominant rucks and don't value fill in rucks.

We don't have a second ruck, the list management team didn't see it as a high priority (or at least not one they could fill). Schache, Fullarton, Verall are the only options as a ruck if Gawn goes down. I can't see them putting the trust in one of those as a permanent ruck, can you?

Fullarton definitely deserves an opportunity to display his craft on the ruck at Casey. 

15 hours ago, Vagg said:

I'm certainly not up with all the rules.  But, I was kinda surprised Melksham wasn't just put straight on to the long-term injured list, rather than delisting him and then adding him to Rookie list.

Because he is due to resume training in July

15 hours ago, 58er said:

 

Fullarton definitely deserves an opportunity to display his craft on the ruck at Casey. 

Fullarton USA ruckman who tests up forward and can play in a key position. To say he is not a ruckman is incorrect. He has been for Lions and is regarded with some ability. He would be our first choice if Max is injured with Schache or Verrall second and third. 

We are  not as lightning as you have stated so rest easy Deanox. 

On 23/11/2023 at 09:06, FritschyBusiness said:

Because he is due to resume training in July

FB, I'm not sure how your comment is an answer to my question.  If anything, doesn't it just reinforce my question?  (I know I must be missing something, just don't know what it is...)

On 22/11/2023 at 18:30, Vagg said:

I'm certainly not up with all the rules.  But, I was kinda surprised Melksham wasn't just put straight on to the long-term injured list, rather than delisting him and then adding him to Rookie list.

Because once Melksham recovers then he'll come off the LTI list and goes back on to the senior list. Drafting him as a rookie means that he will be on the rookie list once he recovers.

Another ruckman would make more sense IMO.

I am not sure Hore has the pace and agility required and he kicks the ball without sufficient penetration. That said, our recruiters must see something I don't and they are often correct.

47 minutes ago, Vagg said:

FB, I'm not sure how your comment is an answer to my question.  If anything, doesn't it just reinforce my question?  (I know I must be missing something, just don't know what it is...)

There’s either no such thing as the Long Term Injury list these days or if there is there’s no provision for it to impact list management by adding other players.

The only provision for adding extra rookies is the Inactive List, which requires players to either retire or be ruled out for the season.

In a cut throat world under these conditions we’d be better off not even having Melk on the list at all. Potentially drafting a different rookie, then redrafting Melk in the mid season draft if we get a vacancy to fill.

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

There’s either no such thing as the Long Term Injury list these days or if there is there’s no provision for it to impact list management by adding other players.

The only provision for adding extra rookies is the Inactive List, which requires players to either retire or be ruled out for the season.

In a cut throat world under these conditions we’d be better off not even having Melk on the list at all. Potentially drafting a different rookie, then redrafting Melk in the mid season draft if we get a vacancy to fill.

I wonder if he will be assisting with the coaching in some way and this likely last year is the transition to that.

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

I wonder if he will be assisting with the coaching in some way and this likely last year is the transition to that.

I think he will. And I’m not disappointed in him being on the list.

Just a vagary of the system that you get to replace guys who are out for the year but you don’t get to cover guys who miss the first half or even more.

I see Collingwood have invited 204cm ex Port Adelaide ruckman Brynn Teakle down for a chance to trial with them over the summer for a spot on their rookie list.

You would think this would have made far more sense from a list perspective. 

Of course out of all teams it had to be Collingwood with the smart list decision here.....

I have very little knowledge of Martin Hore, so have absolutely nothing against him, but can some in the know please enlighten me as to just what he offers, what gap he fills, on our current list?  Thanks. 

Reminds me of Hibbo in some ways, fearless!

21 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Reminds me of Hibbo in some ways, fearless!

But taller and slower.

I can't get my head around this selection. It seems the FD must have no confidence in replacements for May or Lever from within the current list.

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

I have very little knowledge of Martin Hore, so have absolutely nothing against him, but can some in the know please enlighten me as to just what he offers, what gap he fills, on our current list?  Thanks. 

A very poor man’s Hibbo IMO.

The thought of Marty being an AA like Hibbo is a fantasy.

I reckon he is not good enough or strong enough for a key position and not quick ( pacy ) enough or clever enough to mind small and clever half forwards. 

His best attribute is his marking and is an interceptor but not a replacement for Lever either.

Has won 2 Cwood VFL B and F and I think finished 2nd in ours at Casey one year.

Is 28 and we really should be looking at a younger player for halfback as we already have Bowser Rivers Salem McVee Joel Smith Disco Turner and even Woey who can play there at a higher level Ibelieve. 

Lookslike Marty will train with us and try to join on the PSSP list before the season starts. 

Played about 20 games over 3/4 seasons from 2019 to  2021 and mostly in2019 he played 14 I think when we had all the players carrying pre season and injuries from 2018. 

Did get one injury which prevented him from having a good go at it but didn’t seriously challenge our best in 2021. 

Could really be called a List clogger at this stage of his career no matter how he plays in my opinion he should not be able to replace the players above unless they are all injured. 

 

Can't believe the negative nonsense written about Marty Hore by posters. 

He is a very handy signing. He has good skills & can fill in wing, or in defence & only injury prevented him becoming a permanent player last time round.

He'll also be an ideal player at Casey.