The 2023 Draft and Trade Targets Thread

[dazzledavey36 55,105]

1 minute ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

He is ranked second of all rucks over the second half of the year. How much would he cost in trade now. Gawn was a no name ruck until he wasn’t. They just take time but they are hard to pick. This year there are available emerging but unproven rucks in Flynn, Hayes and Teakle. I am sure one of them can both do the job and maybe under Max could become the next Briggs. 

I like Hayes, just worry about his tank which is poor.

[MadAsHell 4,213]

Best case scenario to get Harley Reid.

Assuming North Melbourne get Pick 3 compensation for McKay.

Melbourne trade Grundy to Sydney 

Sydney trade Pick 31 to Adelaide & Pick 42 to Melbourne 

Adelaide trade McAdam to Melbourne.

Melbourne trade Picks 14, 25, 33 & 42 to Gold Coast

Gold Coast trade Pick 5 & Chol to Melbourne.

Melbourne trade Pick 5 (from Gold Coast), future 1st Round Pick, Harmes & Tomlinson to North Melbourne 

North Melbourne trade Pick 2 & 60 (points for potential Brown F/S bid) to Melbourne

Melbourne trade Pick 2 (from North) & Pick 6 to West Coast 

West Coast trade Pick 1 & future 2nd or 3rd Round Pick.

We'll also be a chance for band 5 compensation for Jordon leaving as a Free Agent I reckon being approx Pick 53.

[adonski 12,276]

Bugger Reid, we need to acquire as many first round picks as possible 

[dazzledavey36 55,105]

At the start I was all in for Reid.

I've now changed my tune and think if we are able to accumulate some first round picks we then hit the draft and top up with fresh talent. Our list profile is now starting to get on and we've gotta be willing to not only up with talent but also remain in contention

Let's be honest, we're not a getting a established key forward in the trade period so might as well just focus on get some elite young talent through while we can.

[Jaded No More 68,969]

23 hours ago, 2021 said:

Is it realistic that we get 11 from Sydney?

Perhaps if the rumours about their interest in Harmes are true, we could bundle Grundy and Harmes for 11

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

12 hours ago, Nascent said:

Our first four picks are locked in prior to the trade/fa period and any potential North compensation.

We have: 5, 13, 24 and 32

Given many have said the draft drops off after about 30, that's a solid hand. Plus whatever we get for Grundy. And we ha e a very late pick should it be needed for Brown.

I wonder what we will give up for McAdam? Part of the Grundy trade? A future pick?

Edited September 17, 2023 by Stiff Arm

[manny100 1,579]

Add pick 29 from Sydney for Grundy although we may do a deal for their pick 11 and we pass on a later pick.

[Colm 2,167]

Only way I can see is getting pick 11 as part of the Grundy deal is if it’s a swap with pick 13.  Pick 30 & 11 for Grundy and 13. 
Would be about right too. But pick 22 is a fair trade as well. 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,223]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

Perhaps if the rumours about their interest in Harmes are true, we could bundle Grundy and Harmes for 11

I cant see us straight up getting 11 for Grundy and Harmes as steak knives doesn't help. I could see them swapping their first pick for our pick (moving up 2 spots) as well as obtaining their pick 22.  

[Dannyz 2,774]

Denver Grainger Barras is available if we wanted some KPD cover in the event that Tommo leaves.

[Redleg 41,016]

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Perhaps if the rumours about their interest in Harmes are true, we could bundle Grundy and Harmes for 11

And save at least $1.2M if not more next year and Grundy's $650k going forward.

Then with 5, 11 and with 13 and later picks to trade with, we could get 3 picks inside top 11 and really add some talent.

This is a real once in a blue moon chance, to get multiple high end players.

[Redleg 41,016]

44 minutes ago, Dannyz said:

Denver Grainger Barras is available if we wanted some KPD cover in the event that Tommo leaves.

Just saw his stats are below average everywhere, except goal kicking accuracy. That must be why he is available.

Still he is light and with more muscle that could all change.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Redleg

[Supreme_Demon 3,887]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

At the start I was all in for Reid.

I've now changed my tune and think if we are able to accumulate some first round picks we then hit the draft and top up with fresh talent. Our list profile is now starting to get on and we've gotta be willing to not only up with talent but also remain in contention

Let's be honest, we're not a getting a established key forward in the trade period so might as well just focus on get some elite young talent through while we can.

Agree with this! 😎👍

Lots of young potential talent we can draft and nurture for the near future.

Having as many draft picks in the top 20 is ideal. Especially, if Angus Brayshaw is forced to retire due to his concussion injuries.

We also need to take into account what will happen to Brodie Grundy as well as the futures of Tom McDonald and Ben Brown. We also need to find a replacement for Michael Hibberd who has announced his retirement.

Anyway, I have listed them previously, but there's a lot of young talent out there that I am sure Jason Taylor and the MFC recruiting team are looking at.

This includes the following:

● Colby McKercher (midfielder)

● Zane Duursma (midfielder/forward)

● Nate Caddy (forward who could also play midfield)

● Ryley Sanders (midfielder)

● Nick Watson (forward/midfielder)

● Connor O'Sullivan (key defender)

● Ollie Murphy (key defender)

● Darcy Wilson (midfielder)

● George Stevens (midfielder)

● Riley Hardeman (running defender)

● Archie Roberts (running defender)

● Koltyn Tholstrup (forward/midfielder)

● Archer Reid (key forward)

● Will Green (ruckman)

 

It all just depends upon wants and needs.

 

So there's plenty to choose from.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

1 hour ago, Dannyz said:

Denver Grainger Barras is available if we wanted some KPD cover in the event that Tommo leaves.

Even Hawks fans are trying to offload the kid.

I can't see anyone trading for him, maybe if he gets delisted he might get another opportunity.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

At the start I was all in for Reid.

I've now changed my tune and think if we are able to accumulate some first round picks we then hit the draft and top up with fresh talent. Our list profile is now starting to get on and we've gotta be willing to not only up with talent but also remain in contention

Let's be honest, we're not a getting a established key forward in the trade period so might as well just focus on get some elite young talent through while we can.

Yeh i agree with this as well, I don't think our forward half issues will be fixed in one offseason, if we manget to get some good picks this year i would be loading up with as much talent as possible.

Kids like Rivers, Bowey, McVee, Sparrow have lifted our game but it would be good some more top end talent to really keep pushing and target some FAs over the next few years to fill the holes

[Roost it far 8,324]

5 hours ago, MadAsHell said:

No is the short answer.

Out of interest what's the long answer?

[Roost it far 8,324]

Key needs

May replacement, this is an absolute key. I'm worried about losing Tomlinson.

Brayshaw replacement if it's a second rounder.

Outside/Inside class in the vein of Horne-Francis x 2.

New winger/s (maybe Howes and/or Woewodin)

I'd be transitioning our game away from relying on a dominant ruckman. We just need a beast who competes and can take the odd mark.

Funnily enough I think a forward half of Petty, JVR, Fritsch, McAdam, Pickett and Petracca is fantastic. I really hope we're training this all preseason.

 

[adonski 12,276]

7 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Key needs

May replacement, this is an absolute key. I'm worried about losing Tomlinson.

Brayshaw replacement if it's a second rounder.

Outside/Inside class in the vein of Horne-Francis x 2.

New winger/s (maybe Howes and/or Woewodin)

I'd be transitioning our game away from relying on a dominant ruckman. We just need a beast who competes and can take the odd mark.

Funnily enough I think a forward half of Petty, JVR, Fritsch, McAdam, Pickett and Petracca is fantastic. I really hope we're training this all preseason.

 

It's funny isn't it, so much attention comes onto our forward line, but if they can actually get on the park it should be solid at worst, and very good at best.

It's the midfield depth / class & the question mark over who is actually going to be the third pillar next to May & Lever next year, which are bigger issues.

I'd actually be keeping Tomlinson and telling him it's his spot to lose unless a Turner or an Adams comes out and has the pre-season of a lifetime, but I don't think Goody rates Tommo. 

Edited September 17, 2023 by adonski

[Roost it far 8,324]

3 minutes ago, adonski said:

It's funny isn't it, so much attention comes onto our forward line, but if they can actually get on the park it should be solid at worst, and very good at best.

It's the midfield depth / class & the question mark over who is actually going to be the third pillar next to May & Lever next year, which are bigger issues.

I'd actually be keeping Tomlinson and telling him it's his spot to lose unless a Turner or an Adams comes out and has the pre-season of a lifetime, but I don't think Goody rates Tommo. 

Neither Turner or Adams are big enough to cover May, Tomlinson is.

[ElDiablo14 5,000]

17 minutes ago, adonski said:

It's funny isn't it, so much attention comes onto our forward line, but if they can actually get on the park it should be solid at worst, and very good at best.

It's the midfield depth / class & the question mark over who is actually going to be the third pillar next to May & Lever next year, which are bigger issues.

I'd actually be keeping Tomlinson and telling him it's his spot to lose unless a Turner or an Adams comes out and has the pre-season of a lifetime, but I don't think Goody rates Tommo. 

Goodwin will have no choice, if Petty becomes our permanent FF.

Definitely need pace and elite kicks in the midfield/flank.

[Diamond_Jim 12,600]

Petty going forward exposes us to a big risk down back with Steven May. Add in Tomlinson leaving and the risk approaches critical.

Tough one

[Roost it far 8,324]

4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Petty going forward exposes us to a big risk down back with Steven May. Add in Tomlinson leaving and the risk approaches critical.

Tough one

Must recruit a key defender 

[Diamond_Jim 12,600]

26 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Must recruit a key defender 

Trouble is they will languish in the VFL until needed. Bulldogs have an immediate need so an almost there key defender would go to a club like that.

A draftee is probably two years minimum from being ready

Not  sure how you solve it

[Kent 2,912]

Sullivan is ready to go it appears

[Diamond_Jim 12,600]

14 minutes ago, Kent said:

Sullivan is ready to go it appears

Thanks... He looks like going mid to late first round. Are we prepared to spend that much I wonder