PREGAME: Rd 24 vs Sydney

[dazzledavey36 55,890]

With Tmac, it's fair to say they want a senior body next JVR.

Can't be expecting a 20 old CHF to take the brunt of our forward line come September. 

If he's taking the best defender then it does release JVR to some degree.

[Diamond_Jim 12,688]

7 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Given the ins, I'd like Turner to get a go for Tomlinson, but I can't see a way that happens. So TMac in, Laurie to sub, if no TMac, then Turner to CHB and Fritta and Smith to rotate between Laurie's high half forward position and playing deeper. 

I think this is what I'll go with.

McVee May Bowey

Salem Smith Lever

Langdon Oliver Hunter

Petracca TMac Fritta

Kozzy JVR ANB

Gawn Viney Gus

Rivers Sparrow Chandler Melksham

Laurie

Tend to agree re Tomlinson simply because I don't see him playing against the Pies. If and when we play Brisbane... maybe

Interesting that you have slotted in Smith in place of Turner. You are probably right but they may want to try Turner out pre finals

Edited August 24, 2023 by Diamond_Jim

[drysdale demon 4,837]

35 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

I'd be surprised if he was but don't know why Turner was named.

In case of injury/ sickness to a defender.

[deelusions from afar 1,870]

I find the selections fascinating. So many questions:

• Can we play with JVR as the only true tall forward (with mediums of Fritsch, Smith and Melk)?
• What version of TMac do we have?  At his best he has been an incredible forward but if he doesn't have speed / agility then he could be a liability.
• Is Turner a possibility (I assume in lieu of Tommo)?  I like Tommo but do fear his speed / agility and whether he has the flexibility to cover different types of forwards.  But why now?

My hunch is they like to have Smith as a sub - he can impact at either end and gives us flexibility.

I think they also like having a few players that can go forward and back (maybe TMac will be in)

Laurie wasn't terrible last week but I don't think he has the confidence at the level (yet) to want him in the team that is likely to play finals.  Similar for Woey though he didn't do much wrong at senior level.

So I'm guessing:

Bench of: TMac, Fritsch, Sparrow and Turner

Sub: Fritsch

VFL: Tomlinson, Woey, Laurie

 

Main reason is they want to see if TMac and Turner can do it.  They could even sub Turner halfway, send Tmac back and bring Smith forward.  I think they are concerned about the mix if Tomlinson is in the team and doesn't have a suitable matchup.  Who is the third defender - is it Smith (May doesn't like him back there?), Is it Tmac (who's just come back from injury), or Turner (who's been consistent at VFL but not got many opportunities at senior level).

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

Fun times. 

[Adam The God 30,614]

15 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Tend to agree re Tomlinson simply because I don't see him playing against the Pies. If and when we play Brisbane... maybe

Interesting that you have slotted in Smith in place of Turner. You are probably right but they may want to try Turner out pre finals

They may well go with Turner at CHB and Smith to sub.

[CHF 2,817]

Very interesting selections in this team for Sydney.

The 22 are pretty much what is to be expected but the 8 man IC that needs to be trimmed to 4 and a sub provide a lot of options that we can only guess at. The same goes for Sydney. They will be looking at what is the possible biggest threat.

My IC would include Tomlinson as I think that the defence looks so much more settled and secure with either Tomlinson or Petty playing back there beside May and Lever. I would also have Fristch and TMac there as we need to see how they are with fitness. As long as they will qualify to play at Casey the following weekend if they need to run. 4th on the bench would be a choice between Sparrow, Woewodin and Laurie with Smith as sub. 

 

Yeah but..... wadda I know?

[leave it to deever 17,592]

49 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I don’t think you understood my point. 

I’m all for giving Tmac and Fritta a run this week. Even if underdone it helps with cohesion in a game we don’t need to win. 

My bad Jaded.

Do you think Tmac will get a run?

[dworship 3,343]

32 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

So I'm guessing:

Bench of: TMac, Fritsch, Sparrow and Turner

Sub: Fritsch

VFL: Tomlinson, Woey, Laurie

I know we've missed him and it's good to know the Club has been busy cloning him while in rehab.

Edited August 24, 2023 by dworship

[John Demonic 5,901]

George on the Outer absolutely spot on with his ins on the podcast (Catching up now) -  Although I don't think we'll "beat Sydney regardless" because they're on a pretty big winning streak and we would actually have play at our best to get over the line, AND it could be a bruising affair like last years QF. If 2nd is on the line then we'll go for it.

Edited August 24, 2023 by John Demonic

[John Demonic 5,901]

33 minutes ago, dworship said:

I know we've missed him and it's good to know the Club has been busy cloning him while in rehab.

His young brother Darcy kicked 20 at Coldstream didn't he? Could be a useful sub if TMAC has a quiet one 

Edited August 24, 2023 by John Demonic

[Jaded No More 68,975]

11 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

My bad Jaded.

Do you think Tmac will get a run?

I reckon he will. Goody sounded happy when he talked about him. To me it’s our best option given we’ve lost Petty. It allows us to play Tommo down back and make Smith the sub who can then cover forward or back. Also means Tmac can take the forward ruck contest which leaves JVR open deep. 

[The Jackson FIX 3,376]

Don’t mean to cause any unnecessary concern but Steven May just posted a photo on social of him currently dining at a steak restaurant with a teammate 😬

[Diamond_Jim 12,688]

With Buddy gone what is the Swans tall forward make up like?

Is there a role for Tomlinson?

[The Jackson FIX 3,376]

1 minute ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Don’t mean to cause any unnecessary concern but Steven May just posted a photo on social of him currently dining at a steak restaurant with a teammate 😬

Said teammate an excellent boxer also 

[adonski 12,917]

Hope they give Disco a crack. Don't like Smith in defence, only up forward.

[Jaded No More 68,975]

17 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Don’t mean to cause any unnecessary concern but Steven May just posted a photo on social of him currently dining at a steak restaurant with a teammate 😬

[monoccular 17,642]

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

why would Tomo be dropped?

defence is solid

Maybe, just maybe they want a look at Disco, who has I think only had 2 senior games, one concussed and one unbelievably mismatched.  Then injured.  

38 minutes ago, CHF said:

Very interesting selections in this team for Sydney.

The 22 are pretty much what is to be expected but the 8 man IC that needs to be trimmed to 4 and a sub provide a lot of options that we can only guess at. The same goes for Sydney. They will be looking at what is the possible biggest threat.

My IC would include Tomlinson as I think that the defence looks so much more settled and secure with either Tomlinson or Petty playing back there beside May and Lever. I would also have Fristch and TMac there as we need to see how they are with fitness. As long as they will qualify to play at Casey the following weekend if they need to run. 4th on the bench would be a choice between Sparrow, Woewodin and Laurie with Smith as sub. 

 

Yeah but..... wadda I know?

or Disco - see above

21 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I reckon he will. Goody sounded happy when he talked about him. To me it’s our best option given we’ve lost Petty. It allows us to play Tommo down back and make Smith the sub who can then cover forward or back. Also means Tmac can take the forward ruck contest which leaves JVR open deep. 

JVR has always been so much more of a threat when there is another genuine tall, to date usually Petty, with him.  Hopefully Mac can be this assistant.

[monoccular 17,642]

21 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Don’t mean to cause any unnecessary concern but Steven May just posted a photo on social of him currently dining at a steak restaurant with a teammate 😬

Steak frittes?   (and I don't mean #31). Maybe at a French restaurant in Prahran? 

[Jaded No More 68,975]

Hey @binman are Sydney favourites in this game because the punters think we are going to try and lose to stay in 4th?

[Stu 1,038]

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I'd be surprised if he was but don't know why Turner was named.

My inclination was if they decide they want to rest May, who looks like he’s carried lower back pain all season. Just a guess though. 

[monoccular 17,642]

1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

Given the ins, I'd like Turner to get a go for Tomlinson, but I can't see a way that happens. So TMac in, Laurie to sub, if no TMac, then Turner to CHB and Fritta and Smith to rotate between Laurie's high half forward position and playing deeper. 

I think this is what I'll go with.

McVee May Bowey

Salem Smith Lever

Langdon Oliver Hunter

Petracca TMac Fritta

Kozzy JVR ANB

Gawn Viney Gus

Rivers Sparrow Chandler Melksham

Laurie

I must say I see very little that Laurie (or Jordon or Spargo for that matter) offers as a sub.  Very one dimensional.  Can replace a small; that is all.

Smith IMO is the ideal sub.

[binman 44,533]

18 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Hey @binman are Sydney favourites in this game because the punters think we are going to try and lose to stay in 4th?

Not try to lose. 

Not maximize the chance of winning (eg having maxy on the bench for longer than we would normally).

And not having anything to play for (other than pride) might mean we are not as manic as we might otherwise be. 

That and the Swans have a very big incentive to win - a home final.

But i think a bit will depend on our final side ie which four from the extended bench come in (i wouldn't be discounting late outs either)

And if Port and Lions both win i think we will be equal favs or even outright as we stay 4th even if we win in that scenario.

Edited August 24, 2023 by binman

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,297]

9 minutes ago, binman said:

Not try to lose. 

Not maximize the chance of winning (eg having maxy on the bench for longer than we would normally).

And not having anything to play for (other than pride) might mean we are not as manic as we might otherwise be. 

That and the Swans have a very big incentive to win - a home final.

But i think a bit will depend on our final side ie which four from the extended bench come in (i wouldn't be discounting late outs either)

And if Port and Lions both win i think we will be equal favs or even outright as we stay 4th even if we win in that scenario.

Weather forecast may have a bit to do with it too.

I suspect if top 4 were riding on this game we'd be favourites though.

[Rob Mac...... 638]

I'll guess it will be Smith sub, Tommo defense, Fritta and TMac forward, Sparrow mid.