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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Whilst I did say earlier that I somewhat understand Cornes' position on this issue (i.e. not going too hard for a single doctor who will have done a lot right by players over the years, even if this is an egregious mistake), this issue does display his awfully blatant Port Adelaide bias.

When Oliver was ruled out for longer than first expected he called it the "Demon Debacle" and said he couldn't think of another injury that was managed as poorly. No "good clubs stick by good people" for us, was there.

Exactly.  The "...medico's a good bloke..." defence.  Howwould Cornes have any objective knowledge was what makes a good doctor -except the above statement. A good fireman possibly.

The hypocrisy is huge when compared to the outrage on Oliver and medical management.

But then this IS AFL.

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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Whilst I did say earlier that I somewhat understand Cornes' position on this issue (i.e. not going too hard for a single doctor who will have done a lot right by players over the years, even if this is an egregious mistake), this issue does display his awfully blatant Port Adelaide bias.

When Oliver was ruled out for longer than first expected he called it the "Demon Debacle" and said he couldn't think of another injury that was managed as poorly. No "good clubs stick by good people" for us, was there.

Well said Titan.

Hypocrisy, bare and blatant.

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1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

This is behind a paywall - what sort of "massive fine" are they referring to?  Full fine or part suspended (which in itself is a farce)?   Is the fine part of their salary cap?  If not "massive fines" mean very different things to different clubs eg MFC 2012 vs WCE or Carlton.   

This is far more a case of "bringing the game into disrepute" than alleged tanking without tanking.  Far worse, especially given the current (entirely correct) emphasis on concussion.

Sounds a bit like the usual AFL, outrage without major consequences.

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11 hours ago, Willmoy1947 said:

Could there be a connection between  inadequate concussion protocols in the AFL and domestic violence from activity post contact sport?

Yes. Damage to the frontal lobe causes impulsivity and poor decision making. Look at the instances of boxers, MMA fighters and spousal abuse. These people have suffered multiple concussions and direct damage to their pre frontal cortexes, which is the thinking centre of the brain and helps us to self regulate, problem solve and provides us with a capacity for reflective thinking, thinking before acting etc.

There's also a great doc on Netflix about NFL player Aaron Hernandez called 'Killer Inside'. He had repeated concussions that led to brain injury, that then led to dark outcomes. You get the picture, but it goes into all this stuff.

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6 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

The football media it seems are pushing the narrative that it was an honest mistake and not a deliberate cynical action to flout the rules as it appeared to anyone with average vision. Shifting the goal posts to turn the discussion into something else. How can a club doctor not see what everyone else saw? The vision of the collision and aftermath was damning.

Which presumably means that's the line the AFL want to take. The AFL press are a mouthpiece for the AFL.

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2 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Money to come out of Management , but not Player Funding, and to go into Player support, post career.

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AFL Players Association to be sacked at the end of Season and replaced with body of Ex player stalwarts.

Perhaps even with "a Voice" to the Board. Now that would be a first....

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David King on Sen just hauled Cornes over the coals for his comments around this incident. Said if it was any other club Cornes would have come down on them like a tonne of bricks (100% true imo). Went hard at him. Well played Kingy.

Turns out the club doctor is a close friend of Cornes. All he had to do was state this upfront and decline to comment on the matter. Nothing wrong with standing by a mate. Nobody expects an objective comment if talking about personal friends so best not to comment at all. 

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So Port handed a $100,000 fine, but read this nonsense:

"$50,000 of the fine will be included in Port Adelaide's football department soft cap, with the remainder to sit outside the cap unless the club commits a similar breach of concussion protocols before the end of the AFL and AFLW seasons in 2024."

So they're allowed to [censored] up again, it'll just be a $50k hit to the soft cap. Are you [censored] kidding me?

The AFL are an utter joke.

Power cops huge fine over concussion protocols error - https://www.afl.com.au/news/993091

 

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Furthermore, that $50k hit is probably most of the doctor's wage. So he moves on and they're back to square one.

I was thinking of working with the AFL on one of my next films, but they're a completely corrupt corporate believe in nothing organisation.

Their legal advice must be, don't give the current complainants any ammunition by coming down too swiftly. 

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4 minutes ago, A F said:

So Port handed a $100,000 fine, but read this nonsense:

"$50,000 of the fine will be included in Port Adelaide's football department soft cap, with the remainder to sit outside the cap unless the club commits a similar breach of concussion protocols before the end of the AFL and AFLW seasons in 2024."

So they're allowed to [censored] up again, it'll just be a $50k hit to the soft cap. Are you [censored] kidding me?

The AFL are an utter joke.

Power cops huge fine over concussion protocols error - https://www.afl.com.au/news/993091

 

I don't think that's necessarily correct. If they do it again before the end of the 2024 season, I believe they would be penalised for that breach specifically AND fined the suspended $50,000.

In my view, they are very lucky this time not to have also been penalised 4 or 8 Premiership points, although also fully suspended until the end of 2024 or 2025.

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2 minutes ago, A F said:

Furthermore, that $50k hit is probably most of the doctor's wage. So he moves on and they're back to square one.

I was thinking of working with the AFL on one of my next films, but they're a completely corrupt corporate believe in nothing organisation.

No mention of the Doctor so I'm guessing he is still there this week. The Lawyers will be taking note of this and it will be used as proof the AFL do not care about player welfare. 

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38 minutes ago, BDA said:

David King on Sen just hauled Cornes over the coals for his comments around this incident. Said if it was any other club Cornes would have come down on them like a tonne of bricks (100% true imo). Went hard at him. Well played Kingy.

Turns out the club doctor is a close friend of Cornes. All he had to do was state this upfront and decline to comment on the matter. Nothing wrong with standing by a mate. Nobody expects an objective comment if talking about personal friends so best not to comment at all. 

I know Kingy irritates a lot of people but he's not afraid to call BS when it's there. Those two have worked well together on radio and there is mutual respect but when things need to be called out King shows good character. 

And it absolutely is true, the volkano would have gone off. 

He should have stayed out of this one and if he was pressed on one of the TV shows then maybe a brief defence of Fisher's character in general and that's it. He's commented too much on the incident itself, talking about how hard it is in the moment for doctors and tending to a million things through the course of a game. 

And while we're on the topic of 'good clubs sticking by good people' Kane, why is your club so hesitant to give the coach a new deal? 

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7 minutes ago, YearOfTheDees said:

The league has fined Port Adelaide $100,000 for breaching AFL concussion protocols, with half included in the soft cap.

What a total joke. Port should have started next year on minus eight points as a minimum.

What a mockery.  Are the AFL serious or not?

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3 minutes ago, layzie said:

I know Kingy irritates a lot of people but he's not afraid to call BS when it's there. Those two have worked well together on radio and there is mutual respect but when things need to be called out King shows good character. 

And it absolutely is true, the volkano would have gone off. 

He should have stayed out of this one and if he was pressed on one of the TV shows then maybe a brief defence of Fisher's character in general and that's it. He's commented too much on the incident itself, talking about how hard it is in the moment for doctors and tending to a million things through the course of a game. 

And while we're on the topic of 'good clubs sticking by good people' Kane, why is your club so hesitant to give the coach a new deal? 

I wouldn't put it past SEN and the way all those guys work to have had a meeting on Sunday night or Monday morning and Kane's said, well, I have to back my contacts at Port and that's my position, and King's gone, great, you do your spiel on Monday or Tuesday and I'll go you Thursday. And they've probably gone, great, no worries. Kane gets to protect Port and King gets to bring balance to the debate.

It really is that cynical the way some of this stuff plays out and SEN are real bottom feeders...

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Just now, A F said:

I wouldn't put it past SEN and the way all those guys work to have had a meeting on Sunday night or Monday morning and Kane's said, well, I have to back my contacts at Port and that's my position, and King's gone, great, you do your spiel on Monday or Tuesday and I'll go you Thursday. And they've probably gone, great, no worries. Kane gets to protect Port and King gets to bring balance to the debate.

It really is that cynical the way some of this stuff plays out and SEN are real bottom feeders...

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me. I've never felt more of a 'scripted' feeling about the media more than this year. In wrestling terms this would be known as a 'work'. Guess it is sports entertainment after all!

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On 8/3/2023 at 9:43 AM, layzie said:

Last night on SEN Gerard Healy opened with a 2 or 3 minute monologue about AFL club doctors. He made some great points about this not being an ideal profession for these people because you get paid less and much more possible scrutiny like this, he also went on to list the amazing practitioners he's had at club level and still sees as his personal doctors now. Kane then came in and echo'd his statements and they both went on the defend people in these roles and how good they have been and that Fisher was a brilliant doctor who made a mistake and will serve the appropriate punishment.

Will choose my words carefully on this because this incident has really stirred things up. I appreciate Gerard's take on this, I really do. It's important we get opinions from people who have been around these people longer than any of us, and these opinions have their place. However with the highest respect to these people, at this point in time and on a very rare occasion, I do not want to hear from ex players on this issue. 

I want to hear from completely independent sources. Experts in the field, scholars, people who have studied these injuries and written theses on the subject. I want to hear about what needs to happen, what needs to be different about processes, protocols etc. I don't want to hear Kane Cornes saying how doctors have it so tough and have to tend to so many things in the moment and could easily make a mistake by missing a potential concussion and requirement for a SCAT5 test, because to me that just means there is scope for another mistake to be made in future. This is absolutely not a time for the old "You wouldn't know because you never played or worked in a footy club, you don't know how hard it is" routine. 

No excuses, we need solutions and we need the select few people who actually know the subject back to front to come up with these. Not people with a conflict of interest or sticking up for mates. 

 

Agree, but Kane was defending the character of the doctor as he has treated his family members in crisis situations. I do not think he was generalizing or making excuses for this person, just defending their character and integrity.  

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