Garry Lyon analysis

[Demonsone 2,044]

Spot & laughable with forwards not leading to ball carrier plus players torching free teammates is this selfish or just dumb plays 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/melbourne-demons/afl-news-2023-melbourne-demons-stats-garry-lyon-exposes-issues-on-fox-footy-on-the-couch/news-story/b0f7da9aafb06a6db683ace5230b5905?fbclid=IwAR2KN7LUYw58doNBygAj7b4qCXiQVVunCHbQsf3LbGvlApitZw43TvHBM8w_aem_AXVyVBMKuYAGiqbtbiyhSYZsTJY722i-LmyojPk5uIINDQ3LmVMG0lB5u6hZpDfAAPw&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

Edited July 4, 2023 by Grapeviney
It's Garry with a double 'r' !!

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,246]

Damning vision... 

[Megatron 886]

Some of that is pretty basic forward craft. They seem to make the basic stuff easily to fix almost impossible.

Edited July 4, 2023 by Megatron

[Dee Viney Intervention 1,963]

Cannot disagree with anything that was said in that article 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,708]

We have players openly available outside of 50 waiting to be hit up but we just blaze away.

Its such a simple fix for the brain trust chocco, Ooze, Staf, Chap surely would have pointed this out and highlight these issues during video edits.

SURELY???

 

[BW511 2,688]

Either our players have the lowest collective football IQ in the game or they are being instructed to play this way.

I firmly believe it’s the latter.

We don’t have many good kicks in the side and the game plan is tailored to suit that but someone training every single day of the week should be able to hit a lead from 25-30 metres in their sleep

[samcantstandya 1,058]

13 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

We have players openly available outside of 50 waiting to be hit up but we just blaze away.

Its such a simple fix for the brain trust chocco, Ooze, Staf, Chap surely would have pointed this out and highlight these issues during video edits.

SURELY???

 

Depends on how stubborn they are.... My daughter's team does, but they play as a team

[SFebes 4,884]

19 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

We have players openly available outside of 50 waiting to be hit up but we just blaze away.

Its such a simple fix for the brain trust chocco, Ooze, Staf, Chap surely would have pointed this out and highlight these issues during video edits.

SURELY???

 

The sad part about this is its nothing new, its been going on for years. It's a sad state of affairs and is so messy, it just looks like the plan is to get it in and create chaos. Dumb footy, you see more leads in bush footy.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

41 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Spot & laughable with forwards not leading to ball carrier plus players torching free teammates is this selfish or just dumb plays 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/melbourne-demons/afl-news-2023-melbourne-demons-stats-garry-lyon-exposes-issues-on-fox-footy-on-the-couch/news-story/b0f7da9aafb06a6db683ace5230b5905?fbclid=IwAR2KN7LUYw58doNBygAj7b4qCXiQVVunCHbQsf3LbGvlApitZw43TvHBM8w_aem_AXVyVBMKuYAGiqbtbiyhSYZsTJY722i-LmyojPk5uIINDQ3LmVMG0lB5u6hZpDfAAPw&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

Been happening for a long time. Even in 2021 it was an issue throughout the season. It just clicked when it mattered.

The burning of the free players to bomb it in really ticks me off.

 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,708]

13 minutes ago, BW511 said:

Either our players have the lowest collective football IQ in the game or they are being instructed to play this way.

I firmly believe it’s the latter.

We don’t have many good kicks in the side and the game plan is tailored to suit that but someone training every single day of the week should be able to hit a lead from 25-30 metres in their sleep

It's 💯 percent instructed, if nothing has changed in regards to our entries this week or next week we are doomed.

Our game is in such good shape but our entries are undoing all of our great work around the ground.

I don't understand how as a forward group you wouldn't recognise this bring it up in meetings discussing how we can better reward for our forwards with cleaner entries.

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

And player drop off as well.

Bbb nowhere near it.

Tmac could impact and kick straight, now nowhere to be seen.

Fritsch selfish and can't finish 

Koz is koz at least he can hit a target and make things happen.

Tracc can't finish

Our half forward are too defensive but that's a game style thing.

Grundy is ineffective I'd rather play schache

Gawn down on form.

Do we have anyone else? Just a complete [censored] show down there which is complicated by ineffective midfield ball use.

Viney is tough as nails but rarely hits anything. Although in fairness to him he's been better this year and has plenty of company.

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by Cheap Seats

[BW511 2,688]

4 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

It's 💯 percent instructed, if nothing has changed in regards to our entries this week or next week we are doomed.

Our game is in such good shape but our entries are undoing all of our great work around the ground.

I don't understand how as a forward group you wouldn't recognise this bring it up in meetings discussing how we can better reward for our forwards with cleaner entries.

 

It feels like the questions should be put to Simon Goodwin, rather than going after the players (ANB’s howler aside)

If it’s being instructed, take the heat off the players and own up to it, it’s certainly no big secret to anyone what we do

Edited July 4, 2023 by BW511

[samcantstandya 1,058]

17 minutes ago, samcantstandya said:

Depends on how stubborn they are.... My daughter's team does, but they play as a team

I don't understand and I never will why we don't play the % and go for the certain possession as against ignoring it and going to 50-50 or a 3 on 1.

[DubDee 26,124]

Does anyone seriously think the coaches are instructing the players entering the 50 to kick as high and long as possible, preferably to Stewart/Haynes etc?

if its true they should all be sacked. 

but Its extremely unlikely to be true

[BW511 2,688]

Just now, DubDee said:

Does anyone seriously think the coaches are instructing the players entering the 50 to kick as high and long as possible, preferably to Stewart/Haynes etc?

if its true they should all be sacked. 

but Its extremely unlikely to be true

So you think every single player in the side is ignoring the coach and blazing away?

That’s harder to imagine 

[Roost it far 8,630]

One thing to remain positive about is it clearly shows we have forward half options. 

[beelzebub 23,383]

1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

Spot & laughable with forwards not leading to ball carrier plus players torching free teammates is this selfish or just dumb plays 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/melbourne-demons/afl-news-2023-melbourne-demons-stats-garry-lyon-exposes-issues-on-fox-footy-on-the-couch/news-story/b0f7da9aafb06a6db683ace5230b5905?fbclid=IwAR2KN7LUYw58doNBygAj7b4qCXiQVVunCHbQsf3LbGvlApitZw43TvHBM8w_aem_AXVyVBMKuYAGiqbtbiyhSYZsTJY722i-LmyojPk5uIINDQ3LmVMG0lB5u6hZpDfAAPw&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

Nails it.... many of us suggesting as much.

To be honest anyone watching us play would be puzzled.    How can a team play so well down back...and be utterly clueless up front.

And yet here we are....

Is there the will to fix is the big question.

Why are so many glaring errors committed? 

True to our Hades heritage....we just burn people.

[DubDee 26,124]

11 minutes ago, BW511 said:

So you think every single player in the side is ignoring the coach and blazing away?

That’s harder to imagine 

clearly not.

tired players, pressure high, wet ball. much easier to slam it on the boot.

Bowey McVee and Sales are the only ones with any composure, although it can be easier down back with less 360 degree pressure

[Dee Boys 698]

13 minutes ago, BW511 said:

So you think every single player in the side is ignoring the coach and blazing away?

That’s harder to imagine 

No it shows that they’re dumb footballers whose skills aren’t good enough. ANB, who despite being a trier and a great clubman, sums that up.

[Brownie 5,988]

33 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

It's 💯 percent instructed, if nothing has changed in regards to our entries this week or next week we are doomed.

Our game is in such good shape but our entries are undoing all of our great work around the ground.

I don't understand how as a forward group you wouldn't recognise this bring it up in meetings discussing how we can better reward for our forwards with cleaner entries.

 

I look at how bloody hard Jack Viney has been playing this season. Must be incredibly frustrating watching it go in and then get run back past you 15 seconds later.

[beelzebub 23,383]

25 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Does anyone seriously think the coaches are instructing the players entering the 50 to kick as high and long as possible, preferably to Stewart/Haynes etc?

if its true they should all be sacked. 

but Its extremely unlikely to be true

Question...

If its not ordained/condoned... why does it persist?? 

If it's against the "plan" it would be quickly reigned in.  But it's not. It persists week in week out.

So why is that ?? 

[rjay 25,093]

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Edited July 4, 2023 by rjay

[Lucifers Hero 40,364]

This has to be the most damning stat of all:

"According to Champion Data, Melbourne is overall the best contested possession team in the competition. Specifically, Simon Goodwin’s side is ranked first in the league for contested possessions won in both the defensive 50 and midfield.

But alarmingly, the Dees are ranked 16th for contested ball in their forward 50"

Even if the talls bring it to ground our ground level players can't win it.  So we are losing in the air and on the ground.

So much for having so many defensive forwards!!  

[rjay 25,093]

2 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

This has to be the most damning stat of all:

"According to Champion Data, Melbourne is overall the best contested possession team in the competition. Specifically, Simon Goodwin’s side is ranked first in the league for contested possessions won in both the defensive 50 and midfield.

But alarmingly, the Dees are ranked 16th for contested ball in their forward 50"

Even if the talls bring it to ground our ground level players can't win it.  So we are losing in the air and on the ground.

So much for having so many defensive forwards!!  

I suspect a couple of things here.

It would be interesting to see how many of our inside 50's are from us winning the ball back and pushing it back inside.

If this number is as I suspect then the forwards are playing a defensive role in assisting turnovers.

...but I think we would all be happier with less inside 50's with greater scoring efficiency.

I just don't know that we have the players to do it.

[rpfc 28,779]

34 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

One thing to remain positive about is it clearly shows we have forward half options. 

Maybe, but options who get burned tend to be shy the next time. Trust and commitment is hard won, easily forgotten, and not linear in its return.