On 11/05/2023 at 03:11, jnrmac said:

From Big Footy 

 

There’s not much to be happy about forward of centre.

17th for inside 50’s
14th marks inside 50
17th shots on goal
18th goal efficiency from inside 50’s
18th goal accuracy
17th for contested marks

Perfect scenario for a Hawks dud to pop up and kick 6.0 and to give up 20 marks inside 50.

  On 11/05/2023 at 08:32, H_T said:

Bruest returns for Hawks, he’s always good for a few goals against us. Hibberd hopefully fresh for the big task. 
Mitchell Lewis will be a handful for our defenders - in saying that May should be up for his 200th and maybe the whole defensive group will be up for him! Dees by 39pts. #godees #freeVanRooyen

Welcome back mate!

Melbourne Demons Average Per Game Hawthorn Hawks   215.2 Kicks 211.5 160.0 Handballs 158.0 375.2 Disposals 369.5 88.5 Marks 94.9 16.4 Goals 8.5 9.1 Behinds 10.4 25.5 Scoring Shots 18.9 59.0 Tackles 59.0 39.0 Hitouts 40.6 20.9 Frees For 16.2 18.8 Frees Against 19.4 11.0 Goal Assists 6.8 58.1 Inside 50s 46.9 139.1 Contested Possessions 130.6 231.8 Uncontested Possessions 234.0 281.9 Effective Disposals 268.0 75.1% Disposal Efficiency % 72.5% 57.4 Clangers 61.1 9.0 Contested Marks 8.4 13.1 Marks Inside 50 10.2 35.9 Clearances 36.1 13.8 Centre Clearances 12.4 22.1 Stoppage Clearances 23.8 39.2 Rebound 50s 40.6 43.8 One Percenters 39.2 2.9 Bounces 6.2 1.35 Kick to Handball Ratio 1.34 64.3% Conversion 45.0% 22.88 Disposals Per Goal 43.47 14.71 Disposals Per Scoring Shot 19.55 6316.4 Metres Gained 5586.8 71.9 Turnovers 69.0 75.8 Intercepts 63.9 13.0 Tackles Inside 50 11.5

I've highlighted anything that looks like a substantial difference in this comparison, but what I found most interesting is just how many areas are very similar. Looks like when it comes to the crunch, the entire difference between best and worst in the league right now is; Intercepts --> Metres Gained --> Inside 50s --> Goal assists --> Goal accuracy.

  On 11/05/2023 at 08:24, adonski said:

McDonald emergency over BBB 🤢

 

Edited May 11, 20232 yr by picket fence

🤮😱

  On 11/05/2023 at 08:28, Jaded No More said:

Jordan is gone 

Likely to be sub. Harmes is on the outer.

  On 11/05/2023 at 09:02, chook fowler said:

Likely to be sub. Harmes is on the outer.

Would be best 22 at a lot of clubs. If I was his manager I’d get him to another club. 

  On 11/05/2023 at 09:03, Jaded No More said:

Would be best 22 at a lot of clubs. If I was his manager I’d get him to another club. 

Would hate to lose him but probably will.

Bye bye Jordon.

  On 11/05/2023 at 08:24, adonski said:

McDonald emergency over BBB 🤢

Don’t worry, Frosticles will be our best forward 

I still like May forward if JVR is burnt.

 

He can take a mark and he can kick straight.

  On 11/05/2023 at 05:20, layzie said:

Reckon this is all just some mud thrown at the wall to see if it sticks?

Great analogy. Ok to try it but not if it lessens the defence quality 

With the Rooey verdict, I can see an AFL backlash against us and expect a horrid run from the umpires this week as reprisal. If it was anyone but Hawthorn (or WCE) this week, I would be backing against us. Also expect some piddling negative stories in the media coming up. 

Yes, I don't trust the AFL HQ.

"Viva la Roo!!"

Hopefully the Demon faithful will turn upon droves to celebrate the victory of David over Goliath.  
Rooooo !  10 goals please. 

  On 11/05/2023 at 05:23, Sydee said:

Not sure about that I think there is more to it 

Our lack of talls in the F50 that can physically compete and bring the ball to ground remains an issue. It probably explains in part why we are so keen to make sure a 6 gamer doesn't get suspended for something that wasn't reportable. Its not like he has been kicking huge bags of goals - its the work he's been doing to compete hard which has kept him in the team.

Consider this

Schache - not great at physically competing in air or ground IMO 

BBB - see above

TMac - seems to be laboring with some sort of injury or just terribly out of form

Joel Smith - injured and only just now coming back and according to @titan_uranus is not smart enough to be a forward (sorry mate couldn't resist)

Fritta - not really a contested beast

JVR - will he play? - does compete well but he is a 6 game player and will struggle if gets defender #1 each week

Matt Jefferson - a long way off being ready

Given the above we have done pretty well to date - having Petty in the F50 has helped IMO not sure how things would have panned out if he had stayed back

I agree with all of the above. I just fear we will fall back a few spots without a stellar defence which we dont quite now have and is the key to a flag this year.

I hope FD get the answer soon

  On 11/05/2023 at 09:02, chook fowler said:

Likely to be sub. Harmes is on the outer.

Harmes offered very little last week on fresh legs, when everyone else was tiring.

As for JJ, I like him as a player, but won't ever break B grade and we can afford to lose him.

Edited May 11, 20232 yr by A F

  On 11/05/2023 at 06:04, Sydee said:

short attention span 😃 ? or do you think one of them is strong in contested ball situations. 

btw not sure this contested ball stuff if legal anymore 

Short memory maybe. Ben Brown has his issues atm with his body but to label him with the same brush as Josh Schache (no offence to Josh) is just lazy and unfair. BB has shown himself to be a great player and I hope he can return to something near his best because, to be perfectly honest, he is our best hope come September 2023.

  On 11/05/2023 at 11:39, Demon17 said:

I agree with all of the above. I just fear we will fall back a few spots without a stellar defence which we dont quite now have and is the key to a flag this year.

I hope FD get the answer soon

You can only work with what you have 

Not many will agree with me but if Petty goes back into defence I really believe the best options to replace him are are fit TMac 🤞 or Joel Smith 

  On 11/05/2023 at 12:02, rpfc said:

Short memory maybe. Ben Brown has his issues atm with his body but to label him with the same brush as Josh Schache (no offence to Josh) is just lazy and unfair. BB has shown himself to be a great player and I hope he can return to something near his best because, to be perfectly honest, he is our best hope come September 2023.

My comment was heavily biased toward each players ability to contest in the air and on the ground. These qualities are clearly what the coaches value and reading between the lines it is the reason both are playing at Casey. You call it lazy and unfair I call it accurate.

I don’t like criticism of our own players and usually do my best to avoid that however I believe it’s fair to say BB’s best football is now behind him. Not saying he will not be selected again but he needs to demonstrate some improvement in the areas mentioned to warrant selection. 

 

  On 11/05/2023 at 12:34, Sydee said:

My comment was heavily biased toward each players ability to contest in the air and on the ground. These qualities are clearly what the coaches value and reading between the lines it is the reason both are playing at Casey. You call it lazy and unfair I call it accurate.

I don’t like criticism of our own players and usually do my best to avoid that however I believe it’s fair to say BB’s best football is now behind him. Not saying he will not be selected again but he needs to demonstrate some improvement in the areas mentioned to warrant selection. 

 

BBB might not crash packs but his palm off game is more effective than a blind contest. 

I'm quite certain he's our best FF option, but perhaps like 2021 he's being asked to work on things in the vfl. When he comes into the afl team he'll be fresh and ready imo. 

  On 08/05/2023 at 12:46, rpfc said:

We always do this - the established recruit is but a few weeks away from being another teams cast off. The former Demon the one that got away…

Some still long for Weideman, or baker, or Bedford, hell there is someone pining for Michael Newton! 

Juice kicked 12 for Wangaratta two weeks ago 

The Big one that got away

  On 11/05/2023 at 13:04, Old Bear said:

Juice kicked 12 for Wangaratta two weeks ago 

The Big one that got away

Might have got away but took far too long in doing so

  On 11/05/2023 at 09:06, dazzledavey36 said:

Bye bye Jordon.

Very annoying.

I would have him in ahead of Spargo. He is far more versatile.

But you are probably correct.

If we keep dropping him, he will leave and I believe we will regret it.

Edited May 11, 20232 yr by Redleg

Think Jordon is a touch unlucky. Been solid without starring. That said, his first game back was excellent. Since then, it just been OK. But it is hard to know exactly what role he's been asked to play.

Jordon for Spargo isn't a direct positional swap. What will mean for Kozzie, Sparrow, etc.?