Part time umpiring is a problem but I can understand why the umpiring community is unenthusiastic about going full time. How much are they going to get paid? Likely not as much as the lowest regular list players. That means - umpire full time for 5 to 15 years on even $150-200k/year, then what for the next 30 to 40 years? Non umpires will have established a career while they're umpiring and they also won't have the benefit of post-playing job opportunities that players have through club supporters.

1 hour ago, BDA said:

Anyone posting that Kossie mind might be elsewhere triggers @rpfc. 

I wouldn't take it to heart Kev. We all get on someone's nerves at some point.

That’s not what triggers me, it’s the judgement of character and loyalty that irks me but whatever - free speech and all…

…on this privately owned website, funded by private people, bought off privately owned SaaS or PaaS services, on privately owned servers all across the globe…

2 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

All of that is just conjecture. The fact is we turned a 25 point deficit into a 25 point lead. Hardly “luck”. The competition is very close. Gold Coast beat Geelong. Hawthorn should have beaten Adelaide, who are currently top 6. Richmond drew with Carlton (are they are a finals team, probably). And as the year goes on, similar results will happen. Any win is a good win. Especially in this competition. So see the positives, not the negatives. The negatives will be addressed come finals time. This Melbourne side is as good as any.

Feel like most people said the same thing last year and we went out in straight sets, the early season form tells me we don’t have what it takes vs the best and will just be making up the numbers come finals. This could be partly address if we didn’t muck round trying to play a fwd line primarily lead by a rookie, a backman and a ruck.

5 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

I noticed Simon Goodwin was on AFL 360 tonight, anyone catch it? He was in with Brad Scott. Would have been interesting.

It was ok, Goody was happy we won the way we did. Scott is just trying to implement a game style that’s competitive against the better teams. The thing of interest was that both coaches think a mid-season trade period is on the way. Inevitable they said.

6 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Buffy was a bad [censored]!

Quote @rpfc

"Keep your neuroses to yourself"

That means to my interpretation, don't post stuff that you don't agree with. That is not " broad based" general advice, that is direct. You are telling me not to post, what your believe to be "neurotic".

We had similar stuff when you told me to "sit down".

You use words but don't comprehend the consequences and meaning of them, fobbing them off as a small slight or even playful.

 

Edited April 25, 20231 yr by kev martin

2 minutes ago, old55 said:

Part time umpiring is a problem but I can understand why the umpiring community is unenthusiastic about going full time. How much are they going to get paid? Likely not as much as the lowest regular list players. That means - umpire full time for 5 to 15 years on even $150-200k/year, then what for the next 30 to 40 years? Non umpires will have established a career while they're umpiring and they also won't have the benefit of post-playing job opportunities that players have through club supporters.

Umpires working full time???

They're not elite athletes learning and training to execute the same skills by foot and hand as the players

How much prep do they need for the weekend's game/s?

Happy to pay them more, but not sure they are anywhere near the same level as the players in terms of importance

1 hour ago, kev martin said:

I don't want you jumping at me again.

What did I do to you?

In your own words from a while ago "sit down".

To those who thumbed you, do you like that kind of "trolling"? @drysdale demon, @Jaded No More, @Hopeful Demon, @Dr. Gonzo, @Rod Grinter Riot Squad.

I can understand protecting Kossie. I don't understand, the attempt to censor an opinion, and to use your bigotry about the mentally fragile, to denigrate me personally.

The longer the season goes without him signing, the more likely it is, that he is on the move.

He does selfish acts. 

Oops, I forgot you don't want me to comment. 

 

Pay him no mind, Kev. Unnecessarily aggressive response to your thoughts on Kozzy, especially on a site where we’re forever reminded by each other that everyone’s entitled to their own opinion.

Fwiw, I agree with you re Kozzie’s mind seemingly being elsewhere atm. But heaven help anyone who tells me they effing hate me stating as much, and that I should keep my neuroses to myself. Just saying. 

20 minutes ago, kev martin said:

The modern narrative is to honour the fallen and as you say, "propaganda spectacle/barely disguised recruitment drive".

I always felt the day was about the tragedy and horror of war, and that we should avoid them at all cost. Ask any returned soldier who engaged in active duty, very few would say "do it". Most say "what was it all about".

Doesn't that war in Afghanistan or Iraq show, no good comes of it, except for causing a failed state, allowing war lords into the vacuum and the associated sanctions harming the common person.

The reflection used to be about how war destroys communities and its citizens. The main deaths in war are those trapped in its environs. The armistice was a time we thanked the service people.

I am amazed that it has become all about honouring the military and barely a mention of the futility and suffering. 

It is also the impetus that caused us to mature (Australia and New Zealand). We decided not to allow foreign (British Empire) nations to decide our Troop deployments. The making of an independent Australia. That is why we used to offer ceremony to that defeat in Canakkale (Gallipoli). 

It is amazing how the narrative gets moved by those with vested interests. 

Come on @kev martin - seriously . . . how did you stumble upon that notion?

2 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Quote @rpfc

"Keep your neuroses to yourself"

That means to my interpretation, don't post stuff that you don't agree with. That is not " broad based" general advice, that is direct. You are telling me not to post, what your believe to be "neurotic".

 

I don’t know what to tell you, mate. Other than racist, sexist, etc language - I dont tell people what they can and can’t say. That’s for Andy to dictate.

Now as for my advice - does it matter? It was a colourful way for me to imply that the comment about a man’s loyalty and commitment says more about you than it does them.

I understand many are worried he will leave, I don’t much care for impugning the loyalty of players (which has famously backfired on me 15 years ago) and that has led to this [censored] for tat.

Now, we can leave it there if we want…

7 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Quote @rpfc

"Keep your neuroses to yourself"

That means to my interpretation, don't post stuff that you don't agree with. That is not " broad based" general advice, that is direct. You are telling me not to post, what your believe to be "neurotic".

We had similar stuff when you told me to "sit down".

You use words but don't comprehend the consequences and meaning of them.

Fobbing them off as a small slight or even playful.

 

All good, Kev. Like I suggested, pay him no mind. He’s not going to change his sometimes aggressive way of speaking to certain people. Don’t expend energy on a futile situation. 

8 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Come on @kev martin - seriously . . . how did you stumble upon that notion?

My upbringing, all parents and grandparents born in Australia. Before them, not much idea (LOL). No relative outside here and being older than 60, I remember how simple life was before the "spin".

Family dying in Basra Iraq, WW1

Family serving as Z force WW2

Anzac was nation building, and a deep reflection on the futility of war.

Edited April 25, 20231 yr by kev martin

6 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

All good, Kev. Like I suggested, pay him no mind. He’s not going to change his sometimes aggressive way of speaking to certain people. Don’t expend energy on a futile situation. 

Now that Kev and me are settled, LET ME GIVE YOU A PIECE OF MY MIND

AGGRESSIVE? I WILL SHOW YOU AGGRESSIVE!

 

Yes, it’s a puppet and written poorly and he has no agency is effectively a cat or a pet of some kind but…

HE IS SO CUTE!! Look at him using the force to do the thing with the chair

I think this thread has run its race. A great win but time to look forward to the kangas.

Can you believe it's Wednesday tomorrow already...

Edited April 25, 20231 yr by dazzledavey36

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I think this thread has run its race. A great win but time to look forward to the kangas.

Can you believe it's Wednesday tomorrow...

They are training tomorrow on Gosch's, a captain's run Friday, probably 9.30 am and  Saturday, after such a long wait for that last game, we are in it again.

My guess would be 11.30 am after the reviews.

Usually less than 1 hours kind of stretch, run and simple drills. 

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I think this thread has run its race. A great win but time to look forward to the kangas.

Can you believe it's Wednesday tomorrow already...

THE THREAD MUST CONTINUE 

Just now, kev martin said:

They are training tomorrow on Gosch's, a captain's run Friday, probably 9.30 am and  Saturday, after such a long wait for that last game, we are in it again.

My guess would be 11.30 am after the reviews.

Usually less than 1 hours kind of stretch, run and simple drills. 

You heading tomorrow mate?

Would love a report.

@WalkingCivilWar

I forgot to tell you, great work with the banner.

Absolutely beautiful shot on the broadcast when both teams ran through it.

Thank you

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You heading tomorrow mate?

Would love a report.

Yes, want to know how Oliver's shoulder pulled up.

Hopefully I get there at the right time.

Lately I've been doing my own exercises, sprints and stretching on the turf nearby, till they come out.

5 hours ago, DutchDemons said:

The ANZAC day stuff is so over the top. There is no such thing as ANZAC eve, it isn’t Christmas or New Year. It shouldn’t be a giant commercial exercise and although it’s good for the club’s bottom line I wish we didn’t play this match.

Don't think you'd be saying that if you were a veteran (assuming you are not). I know several veterans, some march, others prefer not to. None of them are a grinch about the day like you

2 hours ago, kev martin said:

I don't want you jumping at me again.

What did I do to you?

In your own words from a while ago "sit down".

To those who thumbed you, do you like that kind of "trolling"? @drysdale demon, @Jaded No More, @Hopeful Demon, @Dr. Gonzo, @Rod Grinter Riot Squad.

I can understand protecting Kossie. I don't understand, the attempt to censor an opinion, and to use your bigotry about the mentally fragile, to denigrate me personally.

The longer the season goes without him signing, the more likely it is, that he is on the move.

He does selfish acts. 

Oops, I forgot you don't want me to comment. 

 

Wasn't the surface of the MCG superb. At least a week off because of the gather round, and pristine.

I remember the 70's. Patchy, muddy and hard on that cricket pitch. Great work MCC. Also no green wooden benches, or that standing area under the Ponsford Stand, behind the goals.

Great memories with dad.

2 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

I like how the differing views about the Anzac / Anzac Eve games are given their space in this thread without being shouted down. 

Our night game against Richmond is a fantastic spectacle. More so than the afternoon game the following day. That said I've always felt that they are little more than well spun cash cows for the AFL (and maybe the RSL?) and not an appropriate way to reflect on what the day is about. The same goes for the week long ANZAC narrative on steroids throughout the football media landscape that competes to out gush each other. Sometimes less really is more. 

It's not just the AFL doing this though, ANZAC Day seems to have been co-opted sometime in the mid-90's to be more about a celebration of the military rather than solemn reflection of the horror and futility of war. If anything it should be seen as an advertisement for all the reasons not to join the military rather than the glorification it has sometimes become (eg at today's game I swear I saw fighter jets flying overhead).

49 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

Umpires working full time???

They're not elite athletes learning and training to execute the same skills by foot and hand as the players

How much prep do they need for the weekend's game/s?

Happy to pay them more, but not sure they are anywhere near the same level as the players in terms of importance

AFL is the only sport in the word that I can think of where officials require a skill and have to run so far.

They prep a lot 

 

Having said that I was shocked the AFL chose the worst possible umpires for a marquee game in prime time. Disgrace

14 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

Don't think you'd be saying that if you were a veteran (assuming you are not). I know several veterans, some march, others prefer not to. None of them are a grinch about the day like you

Got nothing against ANZAC day, just think the theatrics at this match the night before are the antithesis of what the day represents.

Edited April 25, 20231 yr by DutchDemons