POSTGAME: Rd 04 vs West Coast

[dazzledavey36 48,734]

40 minutes ago, Macca said:

Drafting = Recruiting in terms of picking the right sort of player and then the biggie ... development

So it's all encompassing AF 

The big question is if we remain strong how do we get hold of elite young draftees? 

Remembering that we traded up to get Clarrie and LJ and even though we lost Luke, we quickly did some sharp recruiting to replace him (Grundy) ... and if Freo bottom out or have a lousy year we'll get a pick in the top 8 at least (trade up again from that pick?)

Plus the 2 other picks from Freo which Taylor will no doubt use wisely (does he miss?) 

There's a lot to be excited about and we have every right to be confident looking ahead

We didn't trade up to get LJ.

[Macca 16,173]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

We didn't trade up to get LJ.

Stand corrected ... so did we tank to get him? haha

[dazzledavey36 48,734]

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Stand corrected ... so did we tank to get him? haha

Not at all.

We were genuinely poor that was hit with a significant injury list from.day 1 of pre season right up to the last game of the round.

[demon3165 1,918]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No you do not. What opposition Player wants to line up against Viney?

Of course he makes the odd mistake. His area of the ground is RED HOT

You expect every possession and delivery to be perfect and when it isn’t you crack it 

Grow up Sunshine 

Do you really think opposition players go jesus i'm on Viney today i'm shaking in my boots is that your thinking.

I know who needs to grow up, one day you will.

[Macca 16,173]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Not at all.

We were genuinely poor that was hit with a significant injury list from.day 1 of pre season right up to the last game of the round.

All our best players played nearly every game in 2019.  Viney missed 4 games but that was it

Look a bit closer and check the numbers ... you'll find I'm correct.  A lot was made of the off-season surgeries but that was overplayed 

 

[old55 21,297]

10 hours ago, BrisbaneDemon said:

They never come off the multis 

I know someone who worked for Sportsbet. The multis were their biggest profit makers. Now I suspect "bet with mates" has taken over - multis on steroids.

[Macca 16,173]

Besides all that tanking goes on and will continue to go on.  And I don't have a problem with tanking despite it being treated like some sort of foreign disease

As long as drafting exists, tanking will exist.  The 2 go hand in glove

[demon3165 1,918]

It seems I had a post not allowed to be posted and I can only assume that the post in the admins minds might have hurt some peoples feelings, it seems it not what you know but who you know if I get banned for this so be it.

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

1 minute ago, demon3165 said:

Do you really think opposition players go jesus i'm on Viney today i'm shaking in my boots is that your thinking.

I know who needs to grow up, one day you will.

I tell you what. 
i will put up $100 if you go eyeball to eyeball with Jack Viney and tell him

“You have no Football IQ and you play the game like Rugby”

I doubt many would enjoy JV’s tackling, he doesn’t miss often

you are just a classic lounge chair warrior, mouthing off about the Vice Captain 

 

Time to sit down and admit you are spouting hot air 

 

[ManDee 7,077]

9 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

It seems I had a post not allowed to be posted and I can only assume that the post in the admins minds might have hurt some peoples feelings, it seems it not what you know but who you know if I get banned for this so be it.

3165 you are being antagonistic and frankly speaking a lot of drivel.

[Binmans PA 26,051]

30 minutes ago, Macca said:

He'd be a coaches dream in terms of all the selfless roles he can play and does play

We've got plenty of other playmakers to do what Brayshaw once did

As you said, how others who criticise him can't see all that is baffling

My recent critique on Gus is he tends to try to bite off too much with his kicks (he's not a great kick under 30m) and has been fumbly the last few weeks.

When Salem is fit again, we'll have a tough decision to make, because for mine, I'd take Salem's poise and ball use every day of the week.

So we'll have to find another role for Gus. 

Edited April 10, 2023 by A F

[demon3165 1,918]

6 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I tell you what. 
i will put up $100 if you go eyeball to eyeball with Jack Viney and tell him

“You have no Football IQ and you play the game like Rugby”

I doubt many would enjoy JV’s tackling, he doesn’t miss often

you are just a classic lounge chair warrior, mouthing off about the Vice Captain 

 

Time to sit down and admit you are spouting hot air 

 

Settle down get back in your high chair, big deal he's a VC you do know it's vice captain not Victoria Cross there is nothing courageous about being Vice captain, and again you still do not understand what I said but keep trying.

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

5 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Settle down get back in your high chair, big deal he's a VC you do know it's vice captain not Victoria Cross there is nothing courageous about being Vice captain, and again you still do not understand what I said but keep trying.

Of course I know what the VC is. Both very important rolls. I don’t think many others understand your vitriol against Jack Viney either 

$100 is waiting….

[Macca 16,173]

10 minutes ago, A F said:

My recent critique on Gus is he tends to try to bite off too much with his kicks (he's not a good kick under 30m) and has been fumbly the last few weeks.

When Salem is fit again, we'll have a tough decision to make, because for mine, I'd take Salem's poise and ball use every day of the week.

So we'll have to find another role for Gus. 

He is not turning the ball over anywhere near as much as what you believe

If it happens once or twice that doesn't equal a lot of times

Go back and watch yesterday's game and point out all his errors.  But do the same with every player. Don't isolate it all down to one player like others tend to do on this site

Oliver & Petracca turn the ball over all the time in their endeavour to play attacking football. 

Would you be happy for Brayshaw to kick the ball backwards so as not to make an error?  Serious question

It's football AF, no risk, no reward

His DE Rating this year is sitting at about 84% overall.  That's elite

We must get watching different games as what you see, I can't see

 

Edited April 10, 2023 by Macca

[daisycutter 28,508]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

But in everything (out of bounds or a score etc) the ball has to be beyond the line - not the post or padding

hey i don't make the rules or the interpretations.

besides, i only pointed out the rules don't even define goal/point lines precisely

anyway if you include padding it was touched, if you don't it was a goal. And you also have to take into account those situations where the ball has the faintest of touches on the padding, sometimes only picked up on the audio graph. it has been my observation over the last few years that they do include the padding when determining "over the line" whether the official rules say so or not

[demon3165 1,918]

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Of course I know what the VC is. Both very important rolls. I don’t think many others understand your vitriol against Jack Viney either 

$100 is waiting….

For you to answer me about VC shows me where you are at...lmfao

[Binmans PA 26,051]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

He is not turning the ball over anywhere near as much as what you believe

If it happens once or twice that doesn't equal a lot of times

Go back and watch yesterday's game and point out all his errors.  But do the same with every player. Don't isolate it all down to one player like others tend to do on this site

Oliver & Petracca turn the ball over all the time in their endeavour to play attacking football. 

Would you be happy for Brayshaw to kick the ball backwards so as not to make an error?  Serious question

It's football AF, no risk, no reward

His DE Rating this year is sitting at about 84% overall.  That's elite

We must get watching different games as what you see, I can't see

 

Give me Salem's cleanness at ground level and ball use any day. 

[bush demon 1,885]

9 hours ago, layzie said:

I'd say Hibbo is out, don't mess with achillies.

Is that Achilles Jones from Manangatang, per chance?

For those wishing to stroll down memory lane:

"Achilles Jones is discovered on his lonely farm near Manangatang kicking wheatbags around, as it saves him dragging them. The talent scout of the Galahs, a struggling AFL football team, plucks him from obscurity and soon he is kicking footballs and rocketing the team to victory in the Grand Final."

[demon3165 1,918]

1 minute ago, A F said:

Give me Salem's cleanness at ground level and ball use any day. 

Salem is clean with the ball but pace has dropped off, but still links up with May and co, would not rush him back until he is fully fit, but who do you take out if McVee or Bowey are playing the role?

[dazzledavey36 48,734]

Not sure why some feel the need to smash the absolute [censored] out of somewhere else on here simply because the opinions on a player differs.

There was a fair few smashing Viney last week on the game day thread and post game thread for playing a poor game. Some of the discussion was justified imo as I too also felt he had a poor game against Sydney. I look at someone like James Jordon and thought he was far more influential then Viney and yet we know who was relegated to the sub role.

He was better this week in terms of intensity and physicality, but his ball use use and wanting to do too much still worries me.

Edited April 10, 2023 by dazzledavey36

[demon3165 1,918]

17 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Of course I know what the VC is. Both very important rolls. I don’t think many others understand your vitriol against Jack Viney either 

$100 is waiting….

You call what I say about Viney a rugby player and lack of footy IQ Vitriol, you really have led a sheltered life.

[Macca 16,173]

42 minutes ago, A F said:

Give me Salem's cleanness at ground level and ball use any day. 

Salem's DE rating wouldn't be all that flash if we use his year last season as an example.  But often the DE Rating is a furphy if looked at closer

Anyway, when Salem becomes available both he and Brayshaw will play. 

And how on Earth is a backman kicking to a contest further afield somehow a mistake anyway? 

If there is no free target there is no other choice but to kick to that contest (you can't head for the boundary - pinged)

And the boffin's determine that the player kicking the ball is at fault if the contest is won by the opposition.  It's the fault of the forward not the player who kicks the ball

If the ball is kicked forward to a contest, by default, the player in the contest has called for the ball and has an obligation to win the ball (he has already failed to create separation)

"You called for it, you get it"

So a clanger applied to the player delivering the kick is just plain wrong

 

Edited April 10, 2023 by Macca

[KLV 1,626]

9 hours ago, Deebymistake said:

Someone called into ABC radio anonymously a few years ago and said the goal reviewer was any low paid employee of the AFL that was rostered for that game.  No expertise, qualifications etc.  The caller knew because there mate did it over the weekend and apparently just kind of winged it. Wouldn't surprise me if it was and still is like this.

 

I remember that call 

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Salem's DE rating wouldn't be all that flash if we use his year last season as an example.  But often the DE Rating is a furphy if looked at closer

Anyway, when Salem becomes available both he and Brayshaw will play. 

And how on Earth is a backman kicking  to a contest further afield somehow a mistake anyway? 

If there is no free target there is no other choice but to kick to that contest (you can't head for the boundary - pinged)

And the boffin's determine that the player kicking the ball is at fault if the contest is won by the opposition

How utterly ridiculous.  Sheer madness but the public lap it up

 

Exactly. People forget that Brayshaw’s  kicking options are limited. Sometimes he has no choice but to “hack & hope” Yesterday there were a few fumbles early by a lot of players ( I put that down to the Perth Turf which certainly had a different bounce & many players slipped over) But Angus certainly got very reliable later in the game. 
A couple of kicks across the centre to the opposite wing were spot on. 

[Binmans PA 26,051]

6 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Salem is clean with the ball but pace has dropped off, but still links up with May and co, would not rush him back until he is fully fit, but who do you take out if McVee or Bowey are playing the role?

Gus is playing that role. He sweeps behind the stoppage (front of defensive contest), which is the role Salem and Bowey played in 2021.

4 minutes ago, Macca said:

Salem's DE rating wouldn't be all that flash if we use his year last season as an example.  But often the DE Rating is a furphy if looked at closer

Anyway, when Salem becomes available both he and Brayshaw will play. 

Agreed, and yes, I'd like 2021 Salem, please.