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VOTES: Rd 02 vs Brisbane

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  On 24/03/2023 at 20:00, Macca said:

The DE stat is often overrated and sometimes underrated.  And often a poor guide.  To be honest, it's a confusing stat especially when looking at the output of Petracca last week.  He was dominant yet his DE percentage indicated otherwise

The eye test is more pertinent and even that's subjective

Brayshaw went at 63% last night and had 27 possessions.  Sure, he was a bit wasteful as Oliver was but many of our players just didn't get enough of the ball and were largely invisible.  That's a much bigger concern

We had at least 12 players who underperformed in terms of actual possessions.  Didn't get near it

 

And if you go into the custom stats on the AFL app, you can get the turnovers stat.  Unfortunately, Clarry had 12 turnovers, the highest in the game (with Petracca and Rayner next, each with 6 turnovers).

Surprisingly, Lions had 77 turnovers to our 65.  Wonder if that's the impact of after the lights.  Of course, Lions might have had more possessions overall (have not counted yet) or the turnovers might have occurred in less damaging places.

Edit:  also now I think of it, we were being smashed in the midfield so the fact that our midfielder had such a high turnover rate is telling...  Viney had 4, Harmes had 4

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    6. Lever

    5. Bowey

    4. BBB

    3. Spargo

    2. Oliver

    1. Brayshaw

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    Surely the umps get amongst it for the lions with their playings dropping their knees. That front on contact to Gus in the dying embers of the game was as obvious free as it gets. Play on.

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      On 24/03/2023 at 22:46, DeelightfulPlay said:

    And if you go into the custom stats on the AFL app, you can get the turnovers stat.  Unfortunately, Clarry had 12 turnovers, the highest in the game (with Petracca and Rayner next, each with 6 turnovers).

    Surprisingly, Lions had 77 turnovers to our 65.  Wonder if that's the impact of after the lights.  Of course, Lions might have had more possessions overall (have not counted yet) or the turnovers might have occurred in less damaging places.

    The numbers alone can confuse ... my eyes told me that we turned the ball over a lot more than they did and in vital areas of the ground

    And the midfelders often don't have much choice but to kick long to position/contests so if the forwards don't compete well enough, turnovers occur

    You put a gun forward in our team last night (one who competes and is hungry for every like contest like a Nick Rievoldt type) and then there are a lot less uncontested marks to the opposition

    The hang-time alone on a lot of those long kicks in should have meant that our forwards could have at least effected some spoils ... but that didn't happen

    Did the Lions have at least 20 uncontested marks in our forward line? Because each time that happens it's a lost scoring opportunity

    We had a poor game but we if you don't adhere to the fundamentals, you'll lose

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      On 24/03/2023 at 12:44, picket fence said:

    Clarry 37 possesions 15 comtested an 9 tackles sheesch leading player on ground in 3 areas hnmmmm

    His first job is clearance and stoppage he/we got smashed in these areas. He got a lot of cheap ball and blazed distance. Whilst rare for him, it was close to one of the most low impact 30+ possession games you could see. 

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      On 24/03/2023 at 23:09, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

    His first job is clearance and stoppage he/we got smashed in these areas. He got a lot of cheap ball and blazed distance. Whilst rare for him, it was close to one of the most low impact 30+ possession games you could see. 

    I reckon it was the worst game he’s ever played. 

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    6 - Lever

    5 - Clarry 

    4 - Hunter 

    3 - Grundy 

    2 - BBB

    1 - Gus (came good in 2nd half)

    Unfortunately Jake Melksham was exposed to the game early and had no impact we actually had the worst 6 players on the ground. Sadly I haven’t seen our midfield get so smashed in the past two years.

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    6 - Lever

    5 - Clarry 

    4 - Hunter 

    3 - Grundy 

    2 - BBB

    1 - Fritz

     

    only a couple of others got out of first gear, other than the last 10 minutes

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    6 - Lever

    5 - BBB

    4 - Grundy (he has copped a fair but on here, but we would have been humiliated if he wasn't playing)

    3 - Oliver 

    2 - Hunter

    1 - Fritsch

    Oliver and Hunter really only in the votes because of their last quarter efforts. Oliver was the spark in the last 12 minutes. I recall someone saying earlier in the week that Oliver wasn't a game changer, his efforts when they came back on after the blackout put to bed that argument.

     

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      On 24/03/2023 at 12:44, picket fence said:

    Clarry 37 possesions 15 comtested an 9 tackles sheesch leading player on ground in 3 areas hnmmmm

    I have never seen Clarry turn the ball over so much every disposal went to the opposition endlessly

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    6. Lever

    5. Brown

    4. Oliver

    3. Hunter

    2. Bowey

    1. Grundy

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    The blinkers on Oliver around here is simply next level.  He was putrid at times.  Dude doesnt even bother trying to kick a drop punt at times. Lol. Yea nah free pass. 

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      On 25/03/2023 at 00:55, Jjrogan said:

    The blinkers on Oliver around here is simply next level.  He was putrid at times.  Dude doesnt even bother trying to kick a drop punt at times. Lol. Yea nah free pass. 

    He was hot garbage last night. I wouldn’t have him in my votes. 

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      On 25/03/2023 at 00:56, Jaded No More said:

    He was hot garbage last night. I wouldn’t have him in my votes. 

    So who is in your votes?

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    6.Lever

    5.Brown

    4.Hunter

    3. Spargo

    2.Oliver

    1.Rivers

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      On 25/03/2023 at 01:07, He de mon said:

    So who is in your votes?

    6- Lever

    5- Brown 

    4- Hunter 

    3- Bowey 

    2- Fritsch 

    1- Spargo

     

    But if I’m being honest only Lever gets a true pass mark. He was excellent. The rest need to take this game and set it alight like the lights at the Gabba. 
    I literally struggled so much to give votes beyond the first 3. 

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    Good to see Hunter in the votes, at least when he gets the ball you know it's going to one of our players 

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      On 25/03/2023 at 00:28, He de mon said:

    6 - Lever

    5 - BBB

    4 - Grundy (he has copped a fair but on here, but we would have been humiliated if he wasn't playing)

    3 - Oliver 

    2 - Hunter

    1 - Fritsch

    Oliver and Hunter really only in the votes because of their last quarter efforts. Oliver was the spark in the last 12 minutes. I recall someone saying earlier in the week that Oliver wasn't a game changer, his efforts when they came back on after the blackout put to bed that argument.

     

    Hopefully the person saying Clarry is not a game changer has been earmarked for a remedial football institution where he can learn what true champions are to a team as Clarry was last night and has been in every game he has played in his outstanding career.

    Two of the best examples are Round 23 2021 in our famous comeback at the Cattery and also in the GF from the 3rd quarter on when we made our move in bang bang bang etc. it usually starts on the ball and Clarry is front and centre many a time. 

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    6 Lever - stellar defense efforts

    5 Hunter - worked hard, particularly second half

    4 Ben Brown - great goal efforts

    3 Bowey - great disposals

    2 Fritta - not his best but still helped with 3 goals (but if only some of those behinds had converted!)

    1 Brayshaw - bit meh but did some good work in second half

    Thommo also was solid-ish given his playing profile.

    But overall the bottom 2 are just slighr advantages over an uninspiring 18 others

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      On 24/03/2023 at 23:47, DeeZone said:

    6 - Lever

    5 - Clarry 

    4 - Hunter 

    3 - Grundy 

    2 - BBB

    1 - Gus (came good in 2nd half)

    Unfortunately Jake Melksham was exposed to the game early and had no impact we actually had the worst 6 players on the ground. Sadly I haven’t seen our midfield get so smashed in the past two years.

    Agree got the bad one out of our system early in the season. Midfielders very poor until last stanza. 

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      On 24/03/2023 at 21:29, Demons3031 said:

    At times Fritta may look lackadaisical but at one point last night he never gave up  defending and laid 3 tackles from memory  within seconds in one passage of play-he never gave up putting on the pressure. Credit where credit is due. Does anyone know exactly when this happened-will try to re watch it on  replay. 3rd or 4th quarter.

    Yes 3031 I remember it was in the third quarter around the arc area at the Wellington St end. Hats off to Fritta who didn't play his usual classy game but worked in nicely at the end for his 3 goals and had other opportunities. He will be cherry ripe for next week for a big bag vs the Swans

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      On 25/03/2023 at 05:55, Demonland said:

    Jake Lever is the early leader after Round 2.

    26. Jake Lever
    18. Max Gawn 
    14. Clayton Oliver 
    13. Christian Petracca Kysaiah Pickett  
    9. Ben Brown
    8. Lachie Hunter 
    7. Charlie Spargo 
    5. Jake Bowey
    4. Angus Brayshaw Trent Rivers 
    3. Bayley Fritsch 
    1. Kade Chandler Tom Sparrow

    Stiff for BBB!

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    BBB kicked four goals but how many intercept marks did Harris Andrews take? Unfortunately, I think BBB was well beaten.

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      On 25/03/2023 at 06:46, Ollie fan said:

    BBB kicked four goals but how many intercept marks did Harris Andrews take? Unfortunately, I think BBB was well beaten.

    Given these votes are about top performances for the Dees in the past two games... I think BBB should be recognised for getting 4 goals in each game.  Sure Harris got intercepts but Brown still did something, which is more than we can say for most players about yesterday's game

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