NON-MFC: Rd 02 2023

[DeelightfulPlay 2,389]

2 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

How long were we in the top four for the last two seasons? In 2021 it was for the whole season. Not sure about last season but we could have been in the four for all if not most of it.

We were consecutively in the top 4 from 2021 until... this weekend lol

[DubDee 22,813]

32 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Of course it is. Otherwise tanking doesn’t exist. Players want to win. Coaches putting players in different roles is the benign tactic of tanking.

No one deliberately plays to lose,m; losses are manufactured through savage list management, ‘injuries’, and playing kids ahead of their time.

so why not accuse them of tanking in December last year? the results this year were obvious 

trading players out for a re build is not tanking

[Demonland 67,237]

6 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

How long were we in the top four for the last two seasons? In 2021 it was for the whole season. Not sure about last season but we could have been in the four for all if not most of it.

47 consecutive Rounds. Ended this weekend. Some late goals from GWS saved our run of 48 consecutive Rounds in the Top 8. 

[Sir Why You Little 35,639]

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

so why not accuse them of tanking in December last year? the results this year were obvious 

trading players out for a re build is not tanking

It is when you do it savagely over 1-2 seasons 

[DubDee 22,813]

56 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It most certainly is. They are throwing kids to the slaughter and hoping a few survive 

As far as i am concerned it is way worse than what the MFC did. Our list was just bad

cmon mate. a club is allowed to trade out older players if they reckon they are up for a rebuild. 

[DubDee 22,813]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

It is when you do it savagely over 1-2 seasons 

so the afl should crack down on clubs trading out senior players?? 

[Sir Why You Little 35,639]

1 minute ago, DubDee said:

cmon mate. a club is allowed to trade out older players if they reckon they are up for a rebuild. 

Sure. But it must be done carefully. So enough experience is left, so the Babies learn properly 

Hawthorn have not done that at all

[Sir Why You Little 35,639]

3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

so the afl should crack down on clubs trading out senior players?? 

If a large chunk of Senior players are all traded in one year, ABSOLUTELY. 

 

[Deebauched 1,219]

Strewth,  how bad is GWS? Rest Coast kicked 100 points?

So much wasted talent. Atleast they retire rich.

Top 8 is farcical. Not interested. It wont look anything like that  in several weeks.

Edited March 26, 2023 by Deebauched

[DubDee 22,813]

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

If a large chunk of Senior players are all traded in one year, ABSOLUTELY. 

 

So Saints tanked when they got rid of Dal Santo, Goddard, McEvoy?

[titan_uranus 23,613]

10 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

Strewth,  how bad is GWS? Rest Coast kicked 100 points?

So much wasted talent. Atleast they retire rich.

Top 8 is farcical. Not interested. It wont look anything like that  in several weeks.

Well to be fair, GWS was missing a bunch of best 22 players and was playing across the country after playing in 34+ degree heat last week.

Still thought they'd win because West Coast are a rabble, but I can see how it went down.

[layzie 30,940]

It's a bit of a joke yeah.

[Sir Why You Little 35,639]

9 minutes ago, DubDee said:

So Saints tanked when they got rid of Dal Santo, Goddard, McEvoy?

Who was still on their list when those 3 retired?

Hawthorn have no senior experience left except Sicily

They have cut way to hard. 
 

It’s like a business, if all the experienced employees leave at once, then that Business is doomed, the young newbie’s will not prosper. 
Hawthorn have done this intentionally and it is a disgrace.

The new recruits have no chance, we should know, the difference being we didn’t have any decent experienced players. Hawthorn did, and they sold them all

It’s Tanking…

[jnrmac 19,751]

48 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

Strewth,  how bad is GWS? Rest Coast kicked 100 points?

So much wasted talent. Atleast they retire rich.

Top 8 is farcical. Not interested. It wont look anything like that  in several weeks.

GWS played last week in a "brutal" game. Was 36 degrees and hard running. They lost two mids and always looked like this was going to be a hard road trip

[spirit of norm smith 13,904]

Match report on Eagles v Giants.
 

Jayden Hunt was recruited for his speed, and on Sunday he showed his value with 23 disposals, two goals, and 566m gained. 

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9 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Who was still on their list when those 3 retired?

Hawthorn have no senior experience left except Sicily

They have cut way to hard. 
 

It’s like a business, if all the experienced employees leave at once, then that Business is doomed, the young newbie’s will not prosper. 
Hawthorn have done this intentionally and it is a disgrace.

The new recruits have no chance, we should know, the difference being we didn’t have any decent experienced players. Hawthorn did, and they sold them all

It’s Tanking…

Shouldn’t we all be happy they’ve gone abut their rebuild like this? Much more likely to fail.

their list management has been bad for awhile. They tried the top up strategy but it failed miserably. Brought in players like Scully and Patton that didn’t work. The only hope they have is to get top end talent into the club. 

[titan_uranus 23,613]

50 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Match report on Eagles v Giants.
 

Jayden Hunt was recruited for his speed, and on Sunday he showed his value with 23 disposals, two goals, and 566m gained. 

Are you trying to say we missed Hunt on the weekend?

If so, I don’t think you’re really focusing on the true reason we lost, which wasn’t speed. 

[Demon17 4,826]

21 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Freo should never have been in that position to begin with. Ffs it was their home game against a two time wooden spooner who literally hasn’t won at that venue in 198 years. 

Looks like we may have found the two teams that statistically fail to make the 8 the next season.  Dogs and Dockers.  Dogs I get but Freo should be better on 2022.

The average is 2.7 teams, so maybe the cats?  Can only dream.

[Sir Why You Little 35,639]

3 hours ago, BDA said:

Shouldn’t we all be happy they’ve gone abut their rebuild like this? Much more likely to fail.

their list management has been bad for awhile. They tried the top up strategy but it failed miserably. Brought in players like Scully and Patton that didn’t work. The only hope they have is to get top end talent into the club. 

Not disputing any of that. But they will ruin AFL careers of kids with potential and they should be called out for that

[Deebauched 1,219]

3 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Looks like we may have found the two teams that statistically fail to make the 8 the next season.  Dogs and Dockers.  Dogs I get but Freo should be better on 2022.

The average is 2.7 teams, so maybe the cats?  Can only dream.

Or us. No guarantee we make the 8 if we keep copping injuries and suspension to key players.

[Winners at last 4,992]

14 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Who was still on their list when those 3 retired?

Hawthorn have no senior experience left except Sicily

They have cut way to hard. 
 

It’s like a business, if all the experienced employees leave at once, then that Business is doomed, the young newbie’s will not prosper. 
Hawthorn have done this intentionally and it is a disgrace.

The new recruits have no chance, we should know, the difference being we didn’t have any decent experienced players. Hawthorn did, and they sold them all

It’s Tanking…

Breust says hi ....

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Don't forget Frosty, General of the Hawk Defence.

[layzie 30,940]

19 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

Breust says hi ....

It's pretty crazy though isn't it, the only players with over 150 games experience on the list are Breust and Wingard.

Just 4 others with over 100 games.

Edited March 27, 2023 by layzie

[Sir Why You Little 35,639]

46 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

Breust says hi ....

Missed one. Is he doing much these days?

[whatwhat say what 21,167]

they've only got 7 players with over 100 games experience, and 4 of those are 'imports'

they've cut really, really hard

suffer in yer jocks!