Schultz is a very good small. if he played fir a Vic team he would be well known. sets and actors goals. takes grabs abs gas x factor. 

1 hour ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Chandler is 23 years (Roo is 20) old and plays exclusively as a forward who struggled to get near it back half of the year… if he ran out of gas I am officially worried.

 

edit; for reference Bobby Hill and Toby Bedford are also 23 years old and those two were in peak form come finals.

Bedford had just an ok finals series, and Chandler edged him for goals anyway. 
Age is irrelevant. Chandler has played 33 games. Hill has played 65.

This season Chandler averages more score involvements, more tackles and more marks than Hill. Hill averages 1.4 goals a game and Chandler 1.

Their stats are almost identical in fact. 
 

A small forward role is the most difficult position to play in modern footy. 
Charlie Cameron IMO is the best small forward in the league. He’s also 29 and has been playing this role for over 200 games. 

Edited October 9, 20231 yr by Jaded No More

4 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Age is irrelevant.

Respectfully, I disagree. 

We have one of best small forwards in the league already in Kozzy. Another 37 goals this year. We just need another Kozzy and and KPF that can kick his 40 odd too.

Chandler had a great start to the season and 24 goals is a decent return, but he had two good stretches (rounds 1-8 and rounds 19-23) where essentially pretty much all his goals came in. But he also had 12 games without scoring a goal. That's just not good enough.

@binman's of the view we need more goals from midfield. I'm of the view we need more goals from our forwards, particularly our smalls, as well. 

Still reckon Luke Breust worth a look. Old yes, but knows how to find space and the goals. Would take him ahead of Chandler, Bedford and Spargo.

5 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Once you put on that jumper you close the door to the Dees!

Peter Moore and his Brownlow would beg to differ. 
 

3 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Yeah, he needs to find consistency. The back end of his season though was like liability type stuff IMO. That is harsh, but if he could maintain that first half of his season, he'd be an elite small in the game.

He went missing far too often in the second half of the year though and failed to hit the scoreboard.

We do have to be mindful that he's gone from a few games to a whole season, week in, week out. McVee and JVR struggled at times in 2023 too, so it's all natural. But their drop off didn't seem to be as marked. That said, perhaps that's more about the position Kade plays.

He was a beneficiary of our more open game style earlier in the year. Hard worker gets a lot of good looks unmarked on the way back to goal. Like so many of our forwards, struggles in congestion or to beat a man 1v1, which doesn't bode well for our status quo defensive game style or the way the game is played in finals. Not uncommon for small forwards though. 

3 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Peter Moore and his Brownlow would beg to differ. 
 

Fabulous Phil Carmen too!

3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Schultz wants to come home because he’s desperately home sick. He’s also demanding to play for Collingwood.

So which is it? Is he home sick or does he want to play for Collingwood?
 

(Welcome to the modern day player)

Desperately homesick and demanding to come home ey? 

Or. 

He's coming home, (for reasons you nor I have any idea about). 

And he's 'requested' a trade to Collingwood or has nominated them as his club of choice, as all players have the right to do. 

Ahhh sounds so different when you don't exaggerate. 

When did Schultz become Gary Ablett Sr?  

7 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

When did Schultz become Gary Ablett Sr?  

Last Thursday evening at 7.03pm.

1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

Chandler had a great start to the season and 24 goals is a decent return, but he had two good stretches (rounds 1-8 and rounds 19-23) where essentially pretty much all his goals came in. But he also had 12 games without scoring a goal. That's just not good enough. 

I'd add that chandler didn't kick a goals in either final, when goals were gold. 

Goals from small forwards often make a difference in big games - it's their time to shine.

I hope he can go up a level, but I'm not convinced he will. 

How the hell has Essendon become a destination club? They were woeful at the end of the year. I hope we don't go with any 30-year-olds like Bruest, Hawkins, and so on. Invest in youth. If Mathieson comes to the club I might just give it away worst player I have seen.

I don't mind McAdam if you think he is a better version of Chandler and Spargo. Fullarton isn't a bad idea as second ruck playing predominantly in the reserves. I thought Schache could do that not sure why he is still on our list. 

B: McVee, May, Lever

HB: Rivers, D.Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Oliver, Hunter

HF: Petracca, van Rooyen, Neal-Bullen

F: Fritsch, Petty, Pickett

FOLL: Gawn, Brayshaw, Viney

IC: Salem, Sparrow, McAdam, Smith

SUB: Chandler

EMERG: Spargo, Woewodin, Laurie

Casey

B: K.Turner, Adams, K.Brown

HB: Howes, Tomlinson, Draft Pick

C: Woewodin, Laurie, Draft Pick

HF: Chandler, McDonald, Spargo

F: Jefferson, B.Brown, Schache

FOLL: Fullerton, Moniz-Wakefield, Draft Pick

IC: Melksham, Sestan, Verrall, Farris-White 

 

That gives us 2 picks 5 and 13 and 1 rookie, unless they think K.Brown will be rookied then that's 3 picks 5, 13 and 24. Melksham will be rookied and D.Turner will go on the senior list.

 

2 minutes ago, binman said:

I'd add that chandler didn't kick a goals in either final, when goals were gold. 

Goals from small forwards often make a difference in big games - it's their time to shine.

I hope he can go up a level, but I'm not convinced he will. 

No, me either.

4 minutes ago, binman said:

I'd add that chandler didn't kick a goals in either final, when goals were gold. 

Goals from small forwards often make a difference in big games - it's their time to shine.

I hope he can go up a level, but I'm not convinced he will. 

He should have kicked that goal against Carlton that was a bad miss.

9 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Last Thursday evening at 7.03pm.

AEDST or AWST? 

4 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

They’re meant to be a similar player - good goal craft and the ability to work hard both ways. Kade had a hugely disappointing end to the year. 

Disappointing second half aside from maybe one match where he hit the scoreboard.

If he isn't averaging a goal or two most matches i'm not sure what weapons he's bringing and can't see how he holds his place on the list beyond 24.

Laurie & AMV must also be on their last hoorah next season surely.

3 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

AEDST or AWST? 

Yes, sorry, mate. Australian Eastern Standard Time.

13 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

How the hell has Essendon become a destination club? They were woeful at the end of the year. I hope we don't go with any 30-year-olds like Bruest, Hawkins, and so on. Invest in youth. If Mathieson comes to the club I might just give it away worst player I have seen.

I don't mind McAdam if you think he is a better version of Chandler and Spargo. Fullarton isn't a bad idea as second ruck playing predominantly in the reserves. I thought Schache could do that not sure why he is still on our list. 

B: McVee, May, Lever

HB: Rivers, D.Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Oliver, Hunter

HF: Petracca, van Rooyen, Neal-Bullen

F: Fritsch, Petty, Pickett

FOLL: Gawn, Brayshaw, Viney

IC: Salem, Sparrow, McAdam, Smith

SUB: Chandler

EMERG: Spargo, Woewodin, Laurie

Casey

B: K.Turner, Adams, K.Brown

HB: Howes, Tomlinson, Draft Pick

C: Woewodin, Laurie, Draft Pick

HF: Chandler, McDonald, Spargo

F: Jefferson, B.Brown, Schache

FOLL: Fullerton, Moniz-Wakefield, Draft Pick

IC: Melksham, Sestan, Verrall, Farris-White 

 

That gives us 2 picks 5 and 13 and 1 rookie, unless they think K.Brown will be rookied then that's 3 picks 5, 13 and 24. Melksham will be rookied and D.Turner will go on the senior list.

 

if we really do go to the draft with picks 5 and 13, then i expect one of them will be in our starting 23 immediately - they should be more than talented enough - push smith to sub for mine, and whack a talented kid into the starting 22

i see amw as a half-forward who works up and down the ground, not a mid, while woewodin should be inside mid rotating forward from next season on

based on this, we look light on for small defenders - brown isn't one like his dad was, based upon underage football

we also look top heavy with experienced but underwhelming experienced talls in the front half for casey, which will make it difficult to develop jefferson

The Bombers with 35yo Goldy will be unbeatable 😂😂

7 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

if we really do go to the draft with picks 5 and 13, then i expect one of them will be in our starting 23 immediately - they should be more than talented enough - push smith to sub for mine, and whack a talented kid into the starting 22

i see amw as a half-forward who works up and down the ground, not a mid, while woewodin should be inside mid rotating forward from next season on

based on this, we look light on for small defenders - brown isn't one like his dad was, based upon underage football

we also look top heavy with experienced but underwhelming experienced talls in the front half for casey, which will make it difficult to develop jefferson

I put Moniz-Wakefield in the middle because we have too many small forwards. If I had my way I’d delist Schache and put Moniz-Wakefield forward pocket.

Edited October 9, 20231 yr by WERRIDEE

7 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Disappointing second half aside from maybe one match where he hit the scoreboard.

If he isn't averaging a goal or two most matches i'm not sure what weapons he's bringing and can't see how he holds his place on the list beyond 24.

Laurie & AMV must also be on their last hoorah next season surely.

There aren't many fwds averaging 1.5 goals a game. Particularly small fwds

8 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

AEDST or AWST? 

 

8 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Yes, sorry, mate. Australian Eastern Standard Time.

Let's stick with GMT for major events like this. Less confusing.

36 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

There aren't many fwds averaging 1.5 goals a game. Particularly small fwds

Not saying he has to kick the average of 1 to 2 (1.5) every match Jnr.   What i'm saying is if he isn't at least kicking a goal (minimum) in say 3 out of 5 then what else is he bringing to the table and that his second half last season was a long way off the level.  Consistency is key at AFL level if we're going to keep up and/or edge ahead of the best clubs.

Difficult posi to play i get it but there's always room for improvement and we can't have players going missing for large chunks of a season.  Goody did say we need to be uncompromising yes?  And part of his mantra at he end of 2020 was "ruthless".  I assume that's still in the mix?

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

I put Moniz-Wakefield in the middle because we have too many small forwards. If I had my way I’d delist Schache and put Moniz-Wakefield forward pocket.

Schache is extremely fortunate to be still on the list.  Perplexing decision by all within the FD.