On 19/02/2023 at 09:02, BrisbaneDemon said:

I think Richo isn’t letting the truth get in the way of a good yarn here:

 

“So, what was that? Is it fitness? Is it mindset? Is it opposition? Or all of the above? Although [it was] not fitness. We are still running really hard. There were a few competition-wide markers that were strong proof that we were still a hard-running team. It was a bit more about attitude and opposition. Teams were taking things away from us.”

in 2021 we would steamroll teams in the second half, 2022 we were running up hill in the second half, sounds like we were a bit banged up also. You could see it live and on T.V., we had no run or dare.

were we fit? Probably yes, were we premiership fit? Clearly not.

Probably a mix of all things...also adding the injury component to fitness which is one you never mention unless your name is Chris Scott.

I'm sure they know exactly what went wrong and are working to fix it but I guess we will truly know that answer by the end of the season, not before it starts.

  On 19/02/2023 at 01:02, Orion said:

There's a lot of forward line saviour syndrome around JVR.  I can't see him doing much this year because he hasn't exactly set the world on fire at Casey.

Look @Orion. If you're going to get on 'Land in February and bring facts into the the discussion, you can hand back your membership now. 

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by Queanbeyan Demon

van Rooyen unlikely hey. New best 23 then.

B: Lever, May, Hibberd

HB: Brayshaw, Petty, Rivers

C: Langdon, Petracca, Hunter

HF: Viney, McDonald, Neal-Bullen

F: Fritsch, Brown, Spargo

FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Pickett

IC: Bowey, Grundy, Harmes, Sparrow

SUB: Chandler

EMERG: Melksham, Jordon, van Rooyen

 

Reserves

B: K.Turner, D.Turner, D.Smith

HB: McVee, Tomlinson, Woewodin

C: Howes, Jordon, Burgoyne

HF: Chandler, van Rooyen, Laurie

F: Jefferson, Schache, Melksham

FOLL: Verrall, White, Munro

IC: Moniz-Wakefield, Farris-White, Sestan, Buntine

INJ: Adams, J.Smith, Salem, Dunstan

I think JVR still plays, likely as sub. 

Or in 22 like this:

 

HF: Mcdonald Van Rooyen Pickett

FF: Fritsch Brown Spargo

The media have been pumping up the tyres of JVR to the point of explosion. Richardson is just tempering the expectations of supporters as a result.

The reality is that neither Brown nor TMac are a strong chance to play all 23 H&A games. It's just not going to happen.

Brown's knee will require resting and management, and if you listen to the podcast with TMac you'll hear him say that his foot is basically in pain every day and he is managing it.

Just because JVR doesn't play round 1, doesn't mean he won't get plenty of game time this season.

If we haven't learnt to REST our most important players after last season, then we've learnt nothing at all.

Great to finish top 2, bad to finish top 2 with 80% of your list struggling to play out a game.

  On 19/02/2023 at 11:19, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Look @Orion. If you're going to get on 'Land in February and bring facts into the the discussion, you can hand back your membership now. 

Not sure why you're so angry

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by Orion

  On 19/02/2023 at 21:55, Orion said:

Not sure why you're so angry

QD isn’t angry. It’s just his warped sense of humour - same as most on here. 😉

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by WalkingCivilWar
Changed “many” to “most” coz true 😜

  On 19/02/2023 at 22:47, WalkingCivilWar said:

QD isn’t angry. It’s just his warped sense of humour - same as most on here. 😉

Well the warped sense of humour has been added to the ignore list because it sounds pretty angry to me

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by Orion

  On 19/02/2023 at 21:55, Orion said:

Not sure why you're so angry

The statement is praising you for using facts and not making stuff up, like many others. So being out of the normal he indicates with humour that you don't belong.

It is humour, but I can see how you may misinterpret the intention. No-one likes being ostracised, even within a joke.

Edited February 20, 20232 yr by kev martin

  On 19/02/2023 at 23:48, Orion said:

Well the warped sense of humour has been added to the ignore list because it sounds pretty angry to me

Trust me, he’s not angry. I know him well and he’s certainly not one who deserves to be on ignore, by anyone. He was actually complimenting you. 

  On 20/02/2023 at 00:05, kev martin said:

The statement is praising you for using facts and not making stuff up, like many others. So being out of the normal he indicates with humour that you don't belong.

It is humour, but I can see how you may misinterpret the intention. No-one likes being ostracised, even within a joke.

Sometimes things can be misinterpreted through text so maybe that's what's happened here.  If that is the case I apologise and will un-ignore QB.

  On 20/02/2023 at 00:41, Orion said:

Sometimes things can be misinterpreted through text so maybe that's what's happened here.  If that is the case I apologise and will un-ignore QB.

Well done big O! I took it as a compliment about your factual posting.

I mean really in February,  facts!  (ha ha 🙂)

Edited February 20, 20232 yr by ManDee
Italics to denote attempt at humour 😄

  On 20/02/2023 at 00:41, Orion said:

Sometimes things can be misinterpreted through text so maybe that's what's happened here.  If that is the case I apologise and will un-ignore QB.

Sorry for the misunderstanding @Orion. I thought your observation about JVR was spot on. Love your work. Long may astute observations such as yours reign on 'Land. We need people like you as a counter-weight to people like me (and certain others - you know who you are 😍).

  On 20/02/2023 at 01:51, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Sorry for the misunderstanding @Orion. I thought your observation about JVR was spot on. Love your work. Long may astute observations such as yours reign on 'Land. We need people like you as a counter-weight to people like me (and certain others - you know who you are 😍).

This means we're all better people now after getting to the bottom of it yeah?

Over the weekend I watched our last two games against Brisbane last year.  Aside from Petracca’s “broken leg” there were no obviously banged up players in my view. And Trac actually played well. The difference between the drubbing we handed them and the disappointment of the final seemed to be lack of dare. When we were desperate in the last few minutes we kicked two quick goals. Of course Lever’s brain fade and Kosi’s ill-discipline (two down the field frees for late tackles and a 50m penalty) didn’t help us. But it seemed to me that in the final we were going through the motions, thinking the game was ours any time we wanted it. Then all of a sudden, reality dawned on us, but too late. That’s mind-set, not fitness or injuries. Bath water, anyone?

  On 20/02/2023 at 06:58, Fanatique Demon said:

Over the weekend I watched our last two games against Brisbane last year.  Aside from Petracca’s “broken leg” there were no obviously banged up players in my view. And Trac actually played well. The difference between the drubbing we handed them and the disappointment of the final seemed to be lack of dare. When we were desperate in the last few minutes we kicked two quick goals. Of course Lever’s brain fade and Kosi’s ill-discipline (two down the field frees for late tackles and a 50m penalty) didn’t help us. But it seemed to me that in the final we were going through the motions, thinking the game was ours any time we wanted it. Then all of a sudden, reality dawned on us, but too late. That’s mind-set, not fitness or injuries. Bath water, anyone?

It felt a little like that for most of the second half of the season.

They are going to kick out to the right side of the ground once every three games! 

  On 19/02/2023 at 02:38, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Richo’s poured cold water over a JVR round 1 debut multiple times over summer so it’s highly likely he’ll start the season at Casey.

They can’t and won’t play all of BBB, T Mac, Gawn, Grundy and JVR - at the risk of conceding a record amount of defensive rebounds from the opposition’s defence.

 

Doesn't necessarily mean that JVR will not debut - could Richo be indulging in deceptive gamesmanship??

  On 20/02/2023 at 06:58, Fanatique Demon said:

Over the weekend I watched our last two games against Brisbane last year.  Aside from Petracca’s “broken leg” there were no obviously banged up players in my view. And Trac actually played well. The difference between the drubbing we handed them and the disappointment of the final seemed to be lack of dare. When we were desperate in the last few minutes we kicked two quick goals. Of course Lever’s brain fade and Kosi’s ill-discipline (two down the field frees for late tackles and a 50m penalty) didn’t help us. But it seemed to me that in the final we were going through the motions, thinking the game was ours any time we wanted it. Then all of a sudden, reality dawned on us, but too late. That’s mind-set, not fitness or injuries. Bath water, anyone?

Good post, and I can't get my head around the fact that we go from tonking the Lions on their turf by 10 goals, only to cough up a shocker against the same team (albeit slightly depleted) 2 games later at the home of footy.

I'm glad someone here hasn't gone for the "banged up excuse" as to why we lost both our finals, although I do concede Gawn could barely get out of a jog in the Brisbane final.

Ironically Trac was in our top 3 players on the night even though he had a publicised injury.

I found our discipline to be chalk and cheese if you compare the 2021 with 2022 finals. It actually started in the very first pre season game V's Carlton where we gave up a ton of 50 mtr penalties when we didn't get the hint that the umps were cracking down on discipline and reared it's head in the Brisbane final as you pointed out above.

Lastly in response to your post, Kozzie had a really poor finals series IMO. 4 possesions in the Sydney final and then the free kicks and penalties he gave away in the Brisbane final.

  

Zero Hanger have done 50 predictions for the 2023 season - this article shows their top 10 predictions. I'd just scroll down to number one ;) 

50 fearless predictions for the 2023 AFL season: 10-1 - AFL News - Zero Hanger

  On 21/02/2023 at 06:32, Stu said:

Zero Hanger have done 50 predictions for the 2023 season - this article shows their top 10 predictions. I'd just scroll down to number one ;) 

50 fearless predictions for the 2023 AFL season: 10-1 - AFL News - Zero Hanger

Thanks Stu, did scroll to number and I like it, only thing is they’re a tad inaccurate…we didn’t win the first 13 games of 2022.

I hope they're on the money with prediction #41.

  On 21/02/2023 at 07:06, Dee Zephyr said:

Thanks Stu, did scroll to number and I like it, only thing is they’re a tad inaccurate…we didn’t win the first 13 games of 2022.

There was a few pretty basic mistakes in the list. I’m hoping that those mistakes don’t mean their predictions are similarly error riddled 😅